Have the dog alerts any significance?

[Mr Gray]

This is what I have read "False' positives are always a possibility; to date Eddie has not so indicated operationally or in training. In six years of operational deployment in over 200 criminal case searches the dog has never alerted to meat based and specifically pork foodstuffs designed for human consumption. Similarly the dog has never alerted to 'road kill', that is any other dead animal. My experience as a trainer is that false alerts are normally caused by handler cueing. All indications by the dog are preceded by a change in behaviour. This increased handler confidence in the response. This procedure also stops handlers 'cueing' and indication. The dogs are allowed to 'free search' and investigate areas of interest. The handler does not influence their behaviour other than to direct the search."  It sounds pretty effective.

Martin is aware of cuing and the false positives that causes.

It is written in a very clumsy way
In this context Grime is referring to alerting to meat or roadkill as a false positive
I'm sure you will agree we just don't know the number of false positive that may have occurred in jersey and pdl

[Mr Gray]

 

The reason Mccann supporters attack the dog alerts is simple.

They fear them.

That is also why Gerry McCann tried to bring into the court case in his last appearance, and that was an utter failure.

. Oh dear how wrong can you be
Grime has told us the alerts have no evidential value
Pity amaral didn't understand that

[stephen25000]

Yet Mccann supporters, keep bleating about Martin Grime and the indications they made.

Simple advice to follow, if there is nothing to worry about, don't mention it.

[Robittybob1]

Yet Mccann supporters, keep bleating about Martin Grime and the indications they made.

Simple advice to follow, if there is nothing to worry about, don't mention it.

It was when the alerts were turned into evidence that it was wrong.

[Mr Gray]

It was when the alerts were turned into evidence that it was wrong.

Yes as long as the sceptics mistakenly claim the alerts are some sort of evidence we will need to correct them

[Mr Gray]

Not sure if you are aware rob but the dog videos are heavily edited
According to a report by the PJ the dogs were repeatedly brought back to places they had originally ignored

[stephen25000]

..and remember , Gerry Mccann was so concerned by the dogs, that he tried bringing it to the court case in Portugal, and failed dismally.

Just remember what he said to Sandra

and we have the Mccann quote, that the 'dogs are incredibly unreliable'.

A total fabrication by Mccann.

[ferryman]

Not sure if you are aware rob but the dog videos are heavily edited
According to a report by the PJ the dogs were repeatedly brought back to places they had originally ignored

That's quite correct.

[Brietta]

..and remember , Gerry Mccann was so concerned by the dogs, that he tried bringing it to the court case in Portugal, and failed dismally.

Just remember what he said to Sandra

and we have the Mccann quote, that the 'dogs are incredibly unreliable'.

A total fabrication by Mccann.

Yet again you have libelled Dr McCann by use of selective and curtailed quotes.  Please desist.



Sandra: But this is the first time that you give us a big interview not being arguidos, not being arguidos. Since then. erm. So now I feel free to ask you this directly. How can you explain the coincidence of the scent of cadaver found by British and not Portuguese dogs?

Kate: Sandra, maybe you should ask the judiciary because they have examined all evidence. I mean we are also Madeleine's mum and dad and we are desperate for people to help us find Madeleine which is why we are here today. The majority of people are inherently good and I believe the majority of people in Portugal are inherently good people and I am asking them if they will help us spread this message to that person or people...

Sandra: So you don't have an explanation for that?

Gerry: Ask the dogs Sandra.

Sandra: Ask the dogs? No Gerry. Now I feel free to ask you, don't you feel free to answer me?

Gerry: I can tell you that we have also looked at evidence about cadaver dogs and they are incredibly unreliable.

Sandra: Unreliable?

Gerry: Cadaver dogs, yes. That's what the evidence shows, if they are tested scientifically.
http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39078056/Rebuttal%20of%20%22Fact%22%2032

[stephen25000]

Yet again you have libelled Dr McCann by use of selective and curtailed quotes.  Please desist.



Sandra: But this is the first time that you give us a big interview not being arguidos, not being arguidos. Since then. erm. So now I feel free to ask you this directly. How can you explain the coincidence of the scent of cadaver found by British and not Portuguese dogs?

Kate: Sandra, maybe you should ask the judiciary because they have examined all evidence. I mean we are also Madeleine's mum and dad and we are desperate for people to help us find Madeleine which is why we are here today. The majority of people are inherently good and I believe the majority of people in Portugal are inherently good people and I am asking them if they will help us spread this message to that person or people...

Sandra: So you don't have an explanation for that?

Gerry: Ask the dogs Sandra.

Sandra: Ask the dogs? No Gerry. Now I feel free to ask you, don't you feel free to answer me?

Gerry: I can tell you that we have also looked at evidence about cadaver dogs and they are incredibly unreliable.

Sandra: Unreliable?

Gerry: Cadaver dogs, yes. That's what the evidence shows, if they are tested scientifically.
http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39078056/Rebuttal%20of%20%22Fact%22%2032

Rubbish.


You can hear it all on the video.


So where is this evidence that cadaver dogs are 'incredibly unreliable' ?


Do you believe everything the McCann's say Brietta ?


Meanwhile Grime was and remains an extremely competent dog handler.

[ferryman]

The dog alerts in an area, humans recover samples. Eddie alerted, humans recovered.

Except that we know from the (corrupted) account (PdL) of the inspection in the gym how these inspections are supposed to be conducted.

You get the dog to reconnoitre an area beforehand; then you introduce whatever you want the dog to examine, so that you can be sure that the area is free of pre-existing scents.

Thereby, you increase assurity that if the dog alerts, the alert is to what you have introduced, not to any extraneous scent.

And preferably without the dog trampling all over stuff it tasked to inspect, or picking it up in its mouth.

[stephen25000]

Except that we know from the (corrupted) account (PdL) of the inspection in the gym how these inspections are supposed to be conducted.

You get the dog to reconnoitre an area beforehand; then you introduce whatever you want the dog to examine, so that you can be sure that the area is free of pre-existing scents.

Then you introduce whatever you want the dog to inspect as part of the enquiry, and increase assurity that if the dog alerts, the alert is to what you have introduced, not to any extraneous scent.

And preferably without the dog trampling all over stuff it tasked to inspect, or picking it up in its mouth.

'corrupted' ?

You have ZERO experience in dog handling.

You merely have been googling and giving your totally biased impression.

[ferryman]

'corrupted' ?

You have ZERO experience in dog handling.

Yiou merely have been googling and giving your totally biased impression.

Corrupted remains the correct choice of word.

[stephen25000]

Corrupted remains the correct choice of word.

No, as always, it is your biased view. 100%

[Mr Gray]

Except that we know from the (corrupted) account (PdL) of the inspection in the gym how these inspections are supposed to be conducted.

You get the dog to reconnoitre an area beforehand; then you introduce whatever you want the dog to examine, so that you can be sure that the area is free of pre-existing scents.

Thereby, you increase assurity that if the dog alerts, the alert is to what you have introduced, not to any extraneous scent.

And preferably without the dog trampling all over stuff it tasked to inspect, or picking it up in its mouth.

Absolute common sense
You don't have to be a dog handler to understand that
It's like doing a DNA test with dirty instruments