Have the dog alerts any significance?

[Mr Gray]

Cadaverine is remnant scent and can be found with or without a body.  When VRD's start work they are searching for the scent on which they were trained.

if body parts are present the scent will be a lot lot stronger and easier to detect...that is a fact and cannot be disputed

[Robittybob1]

First came the edited version from Levy, and named by him.

Then came the real one, which doesn't seem to be available anymore.

So now we appear to only have the edited version.

Personally, I don't care, but I did see Eddie throwing the toy around.

But since the toy was left on the bed of Madeline after she disappeared, then unless Madeleine laid dead in her bed for at least an hour and a half then there is no chance that the toy can have been contaminated.

Other than by being in contact with a cadaver or someone touching a cadaver and then touching Cuddle Cat.

[Brietta]

if body parts are present the scent will be a lot lot stronger and easier to detect...that is a fact and cannot be disputed

 ... and there is no ambiguity about what it is which is causing the dog's alert.

[Mr Gray]

So has anyone managed to come up with a scientific study that gives any credibility to the unconfirmed alerts

[pathfinder73]

Corroborating evidence is required. Martin Grime made that clear in his report but it doesn't have to be forensics as Adrian Prout discovered.

"My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant. This does not however suggest a motive or suspect as cross contamination could be as a result of a number of given scenarios and in any event no evidential or intelligence reliability can be made from these alerts unless they can be confirmed with corroborating evidence." MG

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

[Brietta]

Corroborating evidence is required. Martin Grime made that clear in his report but it doesn't have to be forensics as Adrian Prout discovered.

"My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant. This does not however suggest a motive or suspect as cross contamination could be as a result of a number of given scenarios and in any event no evidential or intelligence reliability can be made from these alerts unless they can be confirmed with corroborating evidence." MG

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

When is it going to sink in Pathfinder, that the dogs had absolutely nothing to do with Prout's conviction.  They added nothing to the initial investigation nor were they able to assist police by indicating the deposition site.
If Prout had not confessed Mrs Prout's body would probably never have been recovered and given decent burial. 

[Robittybob1]

When is it going to sink in Pathfinder, that the dogs had absolutely nothing to do with Prout's conviction.  .....snip

Usually I agree with you.

[pathfinder73]

When is it going to sink in Pathfinder, that the dogs had absolutely nothing to do with Prout's conviction.  They added nothing to the initial investigation nor were they able to assist police by indicating the deposition site.
If Prout had not confessed Mrs Prout's body would probably never have been recovered and given decent burial.

You should watch from 33 mins. Eddie's alert "changed our thoughts entirely". That confirmed to the police there was a body and they wanted to get justice whether they could find it or not.

[Brietta]

You should watch from 33 mins. Eddie's alert "changed our thoughts entirely". That confirmed to the police there was a body and they wanted to get justice whether they could find it or not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHqUH0vDvew&t=1990s

Adrian Prout was convicted by a jury in February 2010.  Eddie's alert played no part in his trial and conviction.  Therefore the dogs were of no significance in the Prout case.

[pathfinder73]

Eddie did his police work and was correct that there was a body to be found. You will not find one case where he alerted and the missing person has turned up alive.

[Brietta]

Eddie did his police work and was correct that there was a body to be found. You will not find one case where he alerted and the missing person has turned up alive.

Eddie had absolutely nothing at all to do with Adrian Prout's conviction for the murder of his wife.

I do however know of a celebrated case involving Eddie when a missing person transmogrified into a coconut.

[pathfinder73]

Eddie had absolutely nothing at all to do with Adrian Prout's conviction for the murder of his wife.

I do however know of a celebrated case involving Eddie when a missing person transmogrified into a coconut.

LOL Murderer Lane tried that one and Grime presented training records (see below). You are getting desperate - are you having a bad day? The fact is they don't know what it was so you can remove the coconut myth from your post.

"Martin Grime testified that Morse’s proficiency test results were “very high” and that, during specific training dates before and after December 4, 2011, Morse tested 100 percent positive and with 100 percent efficiency."

[Alfie]

Hilarious moment on the docudrama about Shannon Matthews tonight when a character mentioned a dog had alerted to the scent of death during a house search and when they pulled up the floorboard all they found was a dead mouse.   

[Brietta]

Hilarious moment on the docudrama about Shannon Matthews tonight when a character mentioned a dog had alerted to the scent of death during a house search and when they pulled up the floorboard all they found was a dead mouse.   

What about the suicide attempt using ... CALPOL??    Yup ... some people really believed that one!

Very well done with the actors convincing in their roles despite the fact we know the story.

[Robittybob1]

Hilarious moment on the docudrama about Shannon Matthews tonight when a character mentioned a dog had alerted to the scent of death during a house search and when they pulled up the floorboard all they found was a dead mouse.   

Would it have been just as funny if they had found nothing?