Have the dog alerts any significance?

[Alfie]

Would it have been just as funny if they had found nothing?

The reason for the hilarity was that the drama writers gave a dead mouse as the reason for the dog alerting to the scent of death.  I've no idea if this actually happened in real life or not but my mirth was caused by the outrage response I imagined in the homes of numerous cadaver dog fans up and down the country. 

[Robittybob1]

The reason for the hilarity was that the drama writers gave a dead mouse as the reason for the dog alerting to the scent of death.  I've no idea if this actually happened in real life or not but my mirth was caused by the outrage response I imagined in the homes of numerous cadaver dog fans up and down the country. 

I know it could sound funny, but finding a dead mouse would be a common event around my house and many other houses that have cats.  Did the dog alert to that mouse or was that just an incidental finding?

[Alice Purjorick]

I know it could sound funny, but finding a dead mouse would be a common even around my house and may other houses that have cats.  Did the dog alert to that mouse or was that just an incidental finding?

Possibly poetic licence to add some humour.

[Robittybob1]

Possibly poetic licence to add some humour.

Any limrick or ditto will do to make the dogs look incompetent.

[jassi]

Any limrick or ditto will do to make the dogs look incompetent.

Why would you want to make the dogs look incompetent?  Do they worry you ? If so you must be a sheep.

[Robittybob1]

Why would you want to make the dogs look incompetent?  Do they worry you ? If so you must be a sheep.

I was defending man's best friend from all the sheeple.

[rotti]

in an interview on you tube jerry says' it was we who asked for the dogs to be bought in'.why if you asked for them do you than say in an interview that 'the dogs are unreliable'.i would like to ask jerry or anyone on the planet 'would you board a aeroplane where a sniffer dog has indicated explosives'.how many have raised they hands.

[Alfie]

in an interview on you tube jerry says' it was we who asked for the dogs to be bought in'.why if you asked for them do you than say in an interview that 'the dogs are unreliable'.i would like to ask jerry or anyone on the planet 'would you board a aeroplane where a sniffer dog has indicated explosives'.how many have raised they hands.

not that old chesnut!  Do you think a dog aerting on a plane means the plane definitely has explosives on board so they just explode the plane at a safe distance on the runway?  Or do they search the plane and if they find nothing, let passengers on board to continue with their journey?  A dog alert does not confirm anything and needs to be backed ip with evidence.  Take a look at the statistics of the number of false alerts on drug and explosives dogs, they are there to be found by googling.

[rotti]

not that old chesnut!  Do you think a dog aerting on a plane means the plane definitely has explosives on board so they just explode the plane at a safe distance on the runway?  Or do they search the plane and if they find nothing, let passengers on board to continue with their journey?  A dog alert does not confirm anything and needs to be backed ip with evidence.  Take a look at the statistics of the number of false alerts on drug and explosives dogs, they are there to be found by googling.

fair enough thats your opinion ,but i didnt mention a search you did .so without a search you would board that flight.yes or no.if dogs are so unreliable why are they used by hundreds of police forces.why call for them and ignore their findings.maybe you should google.mcspin 'cadaver dogs unreliable' and watch the video on youtube very interesting.also puts paid to the mccans inlaws about the meat they carried in the boot of the hire car &%+((£

[Benice]

in an interview on you tube jerry says' it was we who asked for the dogs to be bought in'.why if you asked for them do you than say in an interview that 'the dogs are unreliable'.i would like to ask jerry or anyone on the planet 'would you board a aeroplane where a sniffer dog has indicated explosives'.how many have raised they hands.

I wouldn't be refusing to board because I KNEW explosives were on board, it would be because explosives MIGHT be on board.   The dogs are not infallible.

There are many examples of dogs alerting for drugs at airports where the person alerted to has no drugs on them, but may have recently been in close contact with someone who has.    That situation would and does cause alerts to completely innocent people.

IOW - this is not the exact science some people would like to think it is.   Far from it.

[stephen25000]

I wouldn't be refusing to board because I KNEW explosives were on board, it would be because explosives MIGHT be on board.   The dogs are not infallible.

There are many examples of dogs alerting for drugs at airports where the person alerted to has no drugs on them, but may have recently been in close contact with someone who has.    That situation would and does cause alerts to completely innocent people.

IOW - this is not the exact science some people would like to think it is.   Far from it.

Yet dogs are used worldwide, by a variety of services, police or otherwise.

Obviously they are totally useless. &%&£(+ &%&£(+ &%&£(+

[Alice Purjorick]

fair enough thats your opinion ,but i didnt mention a search you did .so without a search you would board that flight.yes or no.if dogs are so unreliable why are they used by hundreds of police forces.why call for them and ignore their findings.maybe you should google.mcspin 'cadaver dogs unreliable' and watch the video on youtube very interesting.also puts paid to the mccans inlaws about the meat they carried in the boot of the hire car &%+((£

Alfie does not do "yes" or "no". It's not part of his MO.

[ShiningInLuz]

Please do not invite members to post libel.  I'm simply going to have to delete each request and each response.

[Mr Gray]

fair enough thats your opinion ,but i didnt mention a search you did .so without a search you would board that flight.yes or no.if dogs are so unreliable why are they used by hundreds of police forces.why call for them and ignore their findings.maybe you should google.mcspin 'cadaver dogs unreliable' and watch the video on youtube very interesting.also puts paid to the mccans inlaws about the meat they carried in the boot of the hire car &%+((£

The dogs are used worldwide to find evidence
That is their value
In this case they found none
Grime never said they had a 100% record
It is impossible to say what their success rate is....fact

[Robittybob1]

SC ruling mentioned the dogs

Page 19:
"2 – Fundamental principles

1.2. In the appealed acórdão the following facts are considered proved :
.....
"6. The dogs Eddie and Keela, from the British police, have detected human blood and cadaver scent in the apartment 5A of the Ocean Club (al.AR).

7. The dogs Eddie and Keela, from the British police, have detected human blood and cadaver scent in the vehicle rented by the applicants KMC and GMC after Madeleine's disappearance (al.AS)."

Page 56: 
"Before, however, the relevant facts to be taken into account in deciding the question referred to above shall be listed below :

5. The claimant Madeleine McCann has been missing since 3/5/2007, and the criminal investigation has not been carried out by the Office of the Prosecutor of the Republic of the region of Portimão.

6. The dogs of the British police 'Eddie and Keela' have detected human blood and body odours in the Ocean Club apartment 5-A.

7. The dogs Eddie and Keela, from the British police, have detected human blood and cadaver scent in the vehicle rented by the applicants KMC and GMC after Madeleine's disappearance."

I'm not sure what the question is being referred to, but they take the uncorroborated dog alerts to be some sort of evidence, well they call it a fact, which it is but what do they make from that fact?

Maybe they use it to confirm "Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida wrote a report and in particular the following : Given what we could establish, the facts point towards the death of Madeleine McCann during the evening of 3 May 2007, in the apartment 5A of Praia da Luz Ocean Club resort, occupied by the McCann couple and their three children."
So it is Tavares that makes the initial error of converting the dog alerts into evidence.