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Offline Nicholas

Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
« Reply #45 on: July 14, 2019, 12:58:34 AM »
My niece (2) was staying over that night with two friends. They asked if I could get them some drink. I was not keen on the idea, but I agreed to get them two small bottles of WKD to share. Everybody was having a good time, just group of girls having girly chats. One of them said that she did not think that boys found her attractive so we all kept reassuring her and I made a silly comment that 'I would be'. I just meant to give her some confidence but my wife got upset about it and left the house to calm down. My niece (2) went after her. Before going to bed I texted my wife saying 'please just come back, I love you'.

How many versions of this were there?
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Offline Chris_Halkides

Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
« Reply #46 on: March 27, 2020, 12:55:45 PM »
Are any of the fire investigators' reports available?

Offline Myster

Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
« Reply #47 on: March 27, 2020, 01:15:57 PM »
Are any of the fire investigators' reports available?
I doubt whether there are any online now, if they ever were, after such a long time.  Certainly none on the forum.

An interview with Billy Middleton, if you haven't seen it before here...

http://veronicafryd.blogspot.com/2011/06/confessional-interview-video-william.html

Offline Chris_Halkides

Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
« Reply #48 on: March 27, 2020, 01:26:51 PM »
John Lentini is one of the top fire investigators in the United States.  Here is a good article on potential errors in investigations:

https://abcnews.go.com/2020/fire-arson-myths-misunderstandings/story?id=10540364

Offline Chris_Halkides

Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
« Reply #49 on: March 29, 2020, 08:37:31 PM »
A great deal stands or falls on the question of whether there were multiple origins.  If a fire reaches flashover and continues to burn, determining the origin of the fire is much more difficult.

Offline Chris_Halkides

Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
« Reply #50 on: April 08, 2020, 07:51:48 PM »
https://globalwrong.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/nightmare-on-lime-street1.pdf
The Lime Street Fire in Florida, USA is a comparable case in at least one respect, that one of the children survived.  The experiments that grew out of this case are important in the history of fire investigation.  This is a thorough article.
EDT
I had the wrong link in previously, but I fixed it.
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Offline Myster

Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
« Reply #51 on: April 08, 2020, 08:25:29 PM »
https://echo360.org/media/ad2ecaa9-da23-4da2-8a9a-d871b4827bb8/public
The Lime Street Fire in Florida, USA is a comparable case in at least one respect, that one of the children survived.  The experiments that grew out of this case are important in the history of fire investigation.  This is a thorough article.
Phew Chris, that's deep... have you got the correct link?

Offline Chris_Halkides

Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
« Reply #52 on: April 09, 2020, 11:00:13 PM »
https://globalwrong.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/nightmare-on-lime-street1.pdf
My bad.  That was not the correct link, but I changed it and supplied it again above.  Here is one of the more surprising results of the Lime Street experiments:

"The team then staged a second fire — one to test the theory of arson. They put new furnishings in the living rooms, made repairs to the structure, then poured the exact amount of gasoline that was missing from the bleach bottle in the Mazda on the floors. A firefighter lit the gasoline from outside the house. That fire also combusted in the living room and flew up the stairs, but it took about a minute longer than in the first scenario."

In other words, use of the putative accelerant (gasoline) did not speed up the progress of the fire up the stairs.
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Offline Chris_Halkides

Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
« Reply #53 on: April 19, 2020, 06:22:58 PM »
I have now read several news reports covering the testimony of the fire investigator, Stuart Mortimore.  Nothing was said about his looking for or finding accelerants, which leads me to believe that none were found if they were looked for.  Whether or not the fire reached flashover was not discussed in any article that I found. 

Offline Nicholas

Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
« Reply #54 on: April 19, 2020, 06:30:50 PM »
“The force had to fly detectives from their major crime investigation team over from the mainland following the “gruesome” slaying - believed to be the third homicide investigation in 50 years on the island”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/shetland-murder-mum-two-40-18803364
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
« Reply #55 on: April 19, 2020, 06:45:46 PM »
I have now read several news reports covering the testimony of the fire investigator, Stuart Mortimore.  Nothing was said about his looking for or finding accelerants, which leads me to believe that none were found if they were looked for.  Whether or not the fire reached flashover was not discussed in any article that I found.

Nothing was ever said by Billy Middleton about the cat either - never

https://www.shetlandtimes.co.uk/2009/03/09/man-goes-on-trial-accused-of-murdering-baby-daughter
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Offline Nicholas

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Offline Myster

Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
« Reply #58 on: April 19, 2020, 08:00:27 PM »
Don’t know.

The BBC refer to a house on ‘the Moorfield Estate in Brae’ and their photo is of a different aspect of the house

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/7626714.stm
Yes it is. This is the view of the back garden of 1 Burgadale and it's exactly the same as the photo in the BBC report...

https://www.google.com/maps/@60.398902,-1.3481751,3a,53y,201.31h,87.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOeKQaar3Pk0qBCwVfDBOCA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Offline Nicholas

Re: Introduction to the Billy Middleton case
« Reply #59 on: April 19, 2020, 08:08:33 PM »
Yes it is. This is the view of the back garden of 1 Burgadale and it's exactly the same as the photo in the BBC report...

https://www.google.com/maps/@60.398902,-1.3481751,3a,53y,201.31h,87.63t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOeKQaar3Pk0qBCwVfDBOCA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

So it is. Am guessing the ‘Gray’ building is this place https://www.jwgray.co.uk/
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