Supreme Court rules against the McCanns in damages case.

[Eleanor]

They seem to think that he didn't deserve to win the damages trial because;

He wasn't, in their opinions, a fine upstanding citizen!

Of course the two things are totally unrelated. 

Being convicted of lying to a court in the case of another missing child seems rather related, to me.

[misty]

Being convicted of lying to a court in the case of another missing child seems rather related, to me.

Here's a link to another case the Amaral/Almeida double act were involved in, in 2006, which may interest you as the couple convicted are French. There were allegations that the victim & crime scene were tampered with by adding body weights & staged to make it appear like murder. (I'm still looking at the pathologist's case history).

http://www.france2.fr/emissions/faites-entrer-l-accuse/caspar-et-beille_19101

[Eleanor]

Here's a link to another case the Amaral/Almeida double act were involved in, in 2006, which may interest you as the couple convicted are French. There were allegations that the victim & crime scene were tampered with by adding body weights & staged to make it appear like murder. (I'm still looking at the pathologist's case history).

http://www.france2.fr/emissions/faites-entrer-l-accuse/caspar-et-beille_19101

Oh My.  That's a bit chilling.

[misty]

Oh My.  That's a bit chilling.

It is. IMO the couple probably are guilty to some degree but it does call into question just how guilty.

[Alfie]

Could someone please post a translation as I'm unable to use google translate where I am, thanks.

[G-Unit]

Being convicted of lying to a court in the case of another missing child seems rather related, to me.

Two different trials on two different subjects, so not related at all. 

[Mr Gray]

Two different trials on two different subjects, so not related at all.

Both involve amaral
It was the parents wot dunnit
A fridge
A missing child with no proof of death
Looks like they are connected

[Robittybob1]

Could someone please post a translation as I'm unable to use google translate where I am, thanks.

is this what you wanted?
"   
CASPAR AND BEILLE

Issuance of 07/04/2013
The case of Caspar and Beille
CRIME IN THE HIGH SEA

The Intermezzo, a superb sailboat, noticed during the race of the Rum, André Le Floc'h dreamed of it. So, at retirement, he offered it. And he took the sea, to go around the world.

But in Portugal, it was the death he found because during the summer of 2006, his road crossed that of Thierry Beille and Corinne Caspar. Brother and sister, these two lived as a couple a "dolce vita" fusional. They assassinated the Breton sailor to steal his trimaran. If the weather had not played a trick on them, their crime might still go unpunished ...

This is a shipwreck. That of L'Intermezzo, to begin with. On 17 August 2006, the trimaran capsized off the coast of Portugal. A Spanish ship diverts to recover two French shipwrecked: Thierry Beille and Corinne Caspar. But the euphoria of the rescue runs quickly ...

When they recover the wreck of the boat, the Portuguese police discover the body of the owner in the cabin. André le Floc'h is tied up, weighted with objects of all kinds: belts of lead, anchors, comforters, blankets ... And the forensic doctor is formal: the man is not drowned. His lungs are intact. He was killed before the sinking. It carries traces of strangulation ...

For the investigators, only one possible scenario: the two passengers of L'Intermezzo murdered Le Floc'h. They intended to get rid of the corpse by sinking it off Cape St. Vincent, and to escape with the boat.

But the two suspects scream their innocence. At the exit of the police station, in front of the television cameras, they cry to the miscarriage of justice, appeal to the embassy of France! It's a conspiracy ! They want to put a crime on their backs that they have not committed. The victims ? They are the ones ! They explain that they were invited by André Le Floc'h for an outing at sea. There, the owner of the Intermezzo tried to rape Corinne. Thierry managed to neutralize it. But the storm rose, the boat sank. They could not do anything to save the sailor, tied up in his cabin. A vibrant testimony that does not convince the Portuguese police.

By plunging into the life of the two French people, the investigators discover a singular duet: a couple who calls themselves "brothers and sisters", when the civil status establishes no kinship between them; A drifting couple, who have marginalized over the years, wandering from one country to another, without attachments, without friends, without money. A couple where Thierry exercises over his sister the fascination of a guru. And most importantly, the police discovered that the duo had prepared his shot.

The trial of the two Frenchmen opens on 24 October 2007 before the assize court of Lagos in Portugal. But nothing goes as planned. Still in bad publicity, the couple appealed to the media Gilbert Collard, to strengthen his Portuguese defense. But the lawyer is stuck in France, and without him, the two defendants refuse to explain. When the audience resumes on December 14, the benches are full, everyone expects explanations. In vain. Thierry Beille and Corinne Caspar again attack journalists, claiming their innocence under the patient eye of Portuguese justice. An untenable position vis-à-vis the expert opinions of the lawyers. The accused sink into a new shipwreck. The court sentenced them to 24 years in prison.

Speakers:

Gonçalo Amaral , judicial police of Portimao
Stéphan Le Floc'h , son of André Le Floc'h
Carole Caspar , mother of Corinne Caspar and Thierry Beille
Commander Luis dos Reis Agoas , Maritime Police of Southern Portugal
Sergeant Luis Silva , Air force rescuer
Paulo Linhares , Portuguese public security
Ana Luisa Pinto , Portuguese public security
Chief Inspector Vitor Tavares de Almeida , judicial police of Portimao
Master Antonio Vilar , lawyer of Thierry Beille and Corinne Caspar
Julien Dumond , Parisien journalist
Arnaud Bizot , a journalist for Paris Match
Guy Cally , friend of André le Floc'h
Horst Heydenbluth , friend of André le Floc'h
Professor Duarte Nuno Vieira , forensic, judicial police in Portimao
Heinz Kelpe , former houseowner the reception center of Rousson
Jean-Claude Bertrand , Mayor of Rousson
Marc Jardel , a friend of Thierry Beille and Corinne Caspar
Thierry Montaner , journalist Midi Libre
Marcos Lopes Martinho , taxi driver
Master Carlos Ferreira Da Silva , lawyer son By André Le Floc'h
Paulo Marcelino , journalist at Correio da Manhà
Dominique Rizet , journalist."

[G-Unit]

Both involve amaral
It was the parents wot dunnit
A fridge
A missing child with no proof of death
Looks like they are connected

Amaral was cleared of all the wrongdoing the McCann's accused him of, a very important difference.

[carlymichelle]

Amaral was cleared of all the wrongdoing the McCann's accused him of, a very important difference.

mcann supporters cant  seem to accept that imo they havent gracefully  have they

[Montclair]

Being convicted of lying to a court in the case of another missing child seems rather related, to me.

Let's get this clear, Gonçalo Amaral did not lie in court, that would be perjury. He was charged and convicted of "false testimony" to the police when he was questioned by them during the investigation into Leonor Cipriano's torture case. This was somewhat strange as all he could tell the police was what the others told him about the incident in Faro police station since he was not a witness to it.

[Montclair]

Here's a link to another case the Amaral/Almeida double act were involved in, in 2006, which may interest you as the couple convicted are French. There were allegations that the victim & crime scene were tampered with by adding body weights & staged to make it appear like murder. (I'm still looking at the pathologist's case history).

http://www.france2.fr/emissions/faites-entrer-l-accuse/caspar-et-beille_19101

Nobody ever doubted this couple's guilt. I read about them in Paris Match. The couple were rescued from the trimaran in a storm and then the owner's body was discovered when it was hauled to land. The brother and sister never expected that a storm would ruin their escape with the boat as they had planned to throw the body overboard when out at sea and no one would ever know.

[G-Unit]

mcann supporters cant  seem to accept that imo they havent gracefully  have they

I can understand their disappointment, but graceful acceptance of anything is not their style. I found the first judgement strange because it never seemed to say that Amaral defamed the McCanns. Instead it concentrated on the supposed restrictions on his freedom of speech imposed by his former occupation; highlighted by the McCann's lawyer. I didn't, however, lambaste the judge, the Portuguese judiciary, Portuguese law or the country when the judge ruled in the McCann's favour.

The Appeal Court looked at the first judge's arguments concerning the restrictions on Amaral's freedom of speech and rejected them. The Supreme Court agreed.




 

[Alfie]

McCann sceptics never criticise anything Portuguese, it's not the done thing.  Indeed to do so is considered "Lusophobic" I believe. 

[Mr Gray]

I can understand their disappointment, but graceful acceptance of anything is not their style. I found the first judgement strange because it never seemed to say that Amaral defamed the McCanns. Instead it concentrated on the supposed restrictions on his freedom of speech imposed by his former occupation; highlighted by the McCann's lawyer. I didn't, however, lambaste the judge, the Portuguese judiciary, Portuguese law or the country when the judge ruled in the McCann's favour.

The Appeal Court looked at the first judge's arguments concerning the restrictions on Amaral's freedom of speech and rejected them. The Supreme Court agreed.

graceful acceptance doesn't seem to be your style
mccanns no longer arguidos
SY say they are not suspects
SY explain they accept the abduction scenario


perhaps you should follow your own advice and  accept they are innocent

but of course greatful acceptance is not your style