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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Supreme Court rules against the McCanns in damages case.
« Reply #660 on: February 04, 2017, 09:06:01 AM »
So its an unfounded claim,there is no evidence to suggest any spike in sales,much as one thought.
We could try another way,it there evidence to suggest unless a paper carries a McCann story it's sales plummit?

You are obviously so biased you are not prepared to accept the obvious and whatever's I say won't change your mind

But it's of no importance whether you accept it or not
« Last Edit: February 04, 2017, 09:46:53 AM by ShiningInLuz »

ferryman

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Re: Supreme Court rules against the McCanns in damages case.
« Reply #661 on: February 04, 2017, 09:15:31 AM »
Most people are capable of determining what is right what is wrong ~ what is just and what is unjust ~ what is acceptable and what is unacceptable.

Most fair minded people would consider that the treatment to which the parents of a missing child have been subjected reprehensible in the extreme.

I know of no one who would find it acceptable to be accused of being complicit in disposing of their child's dead body despite not a shred of evidence let alone proof to come close to suggesting any veracity to the claim.

Nor can I envisage a situation whereby innocent people have a book written about them specifically to reinforce these claims authored by a police officer who claims he retired specifically to do that.

In the interim the little girl who vanished on the third day of the month was written off as dead on the fourth day of the month by those who were duty bound to be looking out for her best interests and safeguarding her human right to be looked for.

The author of the book who was in charge of that investigation also carved out a new career as a media pundit promulgating his case above hers while doing his utmost to destroy her parent's reputation from every chat show sofa he made access to.
All despite the fact Madeleine's parents had been fully investigated and cleared of the accusations with which they have been systematically hounded since their guilt was apparently decided on the fourth day of the month by that self appointed judge and jury.

In Portugal, the right to the presumption of innocence has been superseded by the right to say and write whatever vile untruths pass muster as falling under the umbrella of freedom of speech and honour.

The highest court in Portugal has decreed that is acceptable.  In my opinion, that is nothing at all to be proud of or expect the civilised world not to wonder about.

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Letter to the National Forensics Institute (INML) from Goncalo Amaral


17th August 2007

The present inquiry is in relation to the investigation of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann on 3rd May from P da L.

The English authorities in possession of elements collected from the family home in Leicestershire, which are being examined in an unidentified laboratory, traced the girl's DNA profile, in annex to this document.

As it is necessary to the investigation we request the following:

1. Whether in the tests done by the INML Madeleine's profile was established?

2. In the case of a positive answer to point 1, that it should be determined whether the girl is the daughter of the parents identified ? Gerald Patrick McCann and Kate Healy.

3. Information about whether the profile obtained by the INML corresponds to the profile traced in the English laboratory, on the request of the British authorities.

4. If there are differences between the English and Portuguese profiles that a report should be drawn up for this inquiry.

5. In the follow-up of point 4, we request to be informed whether in the English profile the girl is the daughter of the McCann couple.

6. Other information that might be of use to the investigation.

Signed G. Amaral
09-Processos Vol IX Page 2419

Vol IX Page 2419

Reply from the Forensics Institute (INML) to Goncalo Amaral

22-08-2007

Reply to Queries

- We inform you that none of the samples received by this institute were designated as supposedly belonging to the missing girl and we therefore, cannot reply to this query.


- Samples were studied - hair and a piece of cloth - nuclear DNA profiles only being obtained from 4 samples, which upon comparison with the DNA profiles of Kate and Gerry, could not belong to the girl.

- The samples were then studied using mitochondrial DNA analysis, the same was done for the other samples, giving the results in accordance with our report of 9th July No. 2007/000226 LX-BC.

- As requested in point 5, it was determined that the profile obtained by the British lab could belong to a son/daughter of the McCanns.

- The comparison of the profiles obtained in autossomic STR from Kate and Gerry McCann with the profile obtained was carried out.
Signed

Then this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-487063/I-AM-Madeleines-dad-Gerry-McCann-rejects-claims-sperm-donor-used-IVF.html

What's to say?

Offline barrier

Re: Supreme Court rules against the McCanns in damages case.
« Reply #662 on: February 04, 2017, 09:18:29 AM »
You are obviously so biased you are not prepared to accept the obvious and whatever's I say won't change your mind

But it's of no importance whether you accept it or not
I'm trying to understand this claim.

The editors know what sells papers and any mcCann story does....

Followed with this.

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It's basic common sense
Editors know what sells papers
McCanns are still 10 yrs later still front page news for the slightest thing
That proves as far as the editors are aware that McCann stories sell papers

Figures please,produce some evidence,what is the percentage in the spike in sales compared to non McCann news days.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2017, 09:50:57 AM by ShiningInLuz »
This is my own private domicile and I shall not be harassed, biatch:Jesse Pinkman Character.

Offline Brietta

Re: Supreme Court rules against the McCanns in damages case.
« Reply #663 on: February 04, 2017, 09:21:34 AM »
I've oft seen this claim,presumably you can provide a cite indicating any spike in sales as opposed to normal sales when there is  McCann tittle tattle in them.

Noting the spike in sales and web traffic that typically accompanied stories about the McCanns, many newspapers have published thousands of often contradictory stories. The Express titles were judged to be by far the worst offenders.

Often referring to speculative stories from the Spanish or Portuguese press, the titles have repeatedly used the device of reproducing their allegations in quotation marks. But legal experts say that is no defence in the eyes of the law.

"If you are repeating a rumour, you are liable for that rumour," said Caroline Kean, head of media litigation at media lawyers Wiggin. "There is nothing that has been said about the McCanns that could not have been published in a balanced way. It's when you move into over the top headlines and unbalanced reporting that you go beyond the protection that the libel laws give."
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2008/mar/19/dailyexpress.dailystar
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Benice

Re: Supreme Court rules against the McCanns in damages case.
« Reply #664 on: February 04, 2017, 09:23:17 AM »
Does anyone know (SIL?) how the Portuguese press have reported this verdict. - especially the Expresso?   There appears to have been a change in Editors since the following editorial comment was published regarding the author and his book.   It would be interesting to know if there has been a change of opinion since then. 


Expresso

(Translated by Astro)

The 'judicial secrecy' and the press' 'lies'

Henrique Monteiro, chief editor
28 July 2008

Who lied in the Maddie case?   The answer lies in what is told by former inspector Gonçalo Amaral.    All the fantastic and never proved theories that a certain press has spread are in his book.   And they remain without any evidence to sustain them.

Gonçalo Amaral must be a man who is full of himself.   He was responsible for a calamitous investigation in the 'Maddie case', but according to the balance that he does, everyone is to blame except for him.

According to Gonçalo, the blame lies with the fact that the McCanns' apartment was not preserved, with the British police that did not fully cooperate, with the journalists that stood in the way, with Her Majesty's government that pressured, with the Portuguese government that let itself be pressured, with the prosecutors, with the PJ's directors, with the conspiracy of the powerful and – if he is allowed to continue unloading – it will hit the CIA, the Masonry, Opus Dei, the Trilateral, Bildberg and the Pope, the usual suspects of the conspiracy theories that circulate on the internet.

The same inspector must not be inhibited (not to mention being ashamed), because after the suspicions that befall him due to the conduction of the 'Joana case' (another missing girl, whose mother, who was condemned over her death, accuses the PJ of torturing her) and the disaster of the 'Maddie case', he pretends to be a national hero and the holder of the truth, against everything and against everyone, and he maintains an absurd theory that does not resist a minimally structured analysis.

Amaral probably didn't think about the fact that it does not become him to talk and to write in detail about a process which – despite having been widely abused – is still under judicial secrecy, either. Or that it does not become him to be a judge in his own cause.

But the most interesting about the former inspector's book is that we get to know where the famous 'lies' from the media that everyone talked about, came from.    Finally, we can verify that the most unbelievable theories came out of that illuminated brain.  And that certain newspapers, lacking a better option, published them without contradicting, without investigating, without logics and without evidence.

But Gonçalo continues to state his 'conviction' that Maddie died in the apartment.   He must have inherited from medieval justice, this notion of 'conviction' without evidence; or from Alice, by Carrol, the idea that first the criminal's head is cut off and then the trial is done; or from 'The Foreigner', by Camus, the fixation in the importance of the criminal's "facies" or the fact whether one does or does not cry in front of death.

The lawful state bases itself on evidence, beyond doubt.   The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.

Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.



The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
                                               Henrique Monteiro, chief editor, Expresso, Portugal

Offline Eleanor

Re: Supreme Court rules against the McCanns in damages case.
« Reply #665 on: February 04, 2017, 09:24:00 AM »
I had almost forgotten what a horror story it was.  The lies were awful and upset even me.  God knows what it must have done to The McCanns.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Supreme Court rules against the McCanns in damages case.
« Reply #666 on: February 04, 2017, 09:27:49 AM »
Does anyone know (SIL?) how the Portuguese press have reported this verdict. - especially the Expresso?   There appears to have been a change in Editors since the following editorial comment was published regarding the author and his book.   It would be interesting to know if there has been a change of opinion since then. 


Expresso

(Translated by Astro)

The 'judicial secrecy' and the press' 'lies'

Henrique Monteiro, chief editor
28 July 2008

Who lied in the Maddie case?   The answer lies in what is told by former inspector Gonçalo Amaral.    All the fantastic and never proved theories that a certain press has spread are in his book.   And they remain without any evidence to sustain them.

Gonçalo Amaral must be a man who is full of himself.   He was responsible for a calamitous investigation in the 'Maddie case', but according to the balance that he does, everyone is to blame except for him.

According to Gonçalo, the blame lies with the fact that the McCanns' apartment was not preserved, with the British police that did not fully cooperate, with the journalists that stood in the way, with Her Majesty's government that pressured, with the Portuguese government that let itself be pressured, with the prosecutors, with the PJ's directors, with the conspiracy of the powerful and – if he is allowed to continue unloading – it will hit the CIA, the Masonry, Opus Dei, the Trilateral, Bildberg and the Pope, the usual suspects of the conspiracy theories that circulate on the internet.

The same inspector must not be inhibited (not to mention being ashamed), because after the suspicions that befall him due to the conduction of the 'Joana case' (another missing girl, whose mother, who was condemned over her death, accuses the PJ of torturing her) and the disaster of the 'Maddie case', he pretends to be a national hero and the holder of the truth, against everything and against everyone, and he maintains an absurd theory that does not resist a minimally structured analysis.

Amaral probably didn't think about the fact that it does not become him to talk and to write in detail about a process which – despite having been widely abused – is still under judicial secrecy, either. Or that it does not become him to be a judge in his own cause.

But the most interesting about the former inspector's book is that we get to know where the famous 'lies' from the media that everyone talked about, came from.    Finally, we can verify that the most unbelievable theories came out of that illuminated brain.  And that certain newspapers, lacking a better option, published them without contradicting, without investigating, without logics and without evidence.

But Gonçalo continues to state his 'conviction' that Maddie died in the apartment.   He must have inherited from medieval justice, this notion of 'conviction' without evidence; or from Alice, by Carrol, the idea that first the criminal's head is cut off and then the trial is done; or from 'The Foreigner', by Camus, the fixation in the importance of the criminal's "facies" or the fact whether one does or does not cry in front of death.

The lawful state bases itself on evidence, beyond doubt.   The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.

Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.

Oh Dear.  Bad one.

stephen25000

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Re: Supreme Court rules against the McCanns in damages case.
« Reply #667 on: February 04, 2017, 09:43:56 AM »
An old article. 2008.

Taken over by events.

Cling on to the starboard bow. Or should I say, Klingon. 8)--))


Alfie

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Re: Supreme Court rules against the McCanns in damages case.
« Reply #668 on: February 04, 2017, 09:44:50 AM »
I'm trying to understand this claim.

Followed with this.

Figures please,produce some evidence,what is the percentage in the spike in sales compared to non McCann news days.
Peter Hill, Express Editor at Leveson

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Hill says he received estimates of sales figures on a daily basis. He adds that McCann stories boosted circulation "on many days".

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2012/jan/12/leveson-inquiry-richard-desmond-peter-hill-live

stephen25000

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Re: Supreme Court rules against the McCanns in damages case.
« Reply #669 on: February 04, 2017, 09:46:16 AM »
Meanwhile, circulation of newspapers declines.

As to on-line readership, that is another story.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Supreme Court rules against the McCanns in damages case.
« Reply #670 on: February 04, 2017, 09:47:18 AM »
I'm trying to understand this claim.

Followed with this.

Figures please,produce some evidence,what is the percentage in the spike in sales compared to non McCann news days.

I said I'm not bothered by what you believe
If you think I'm going to spend time looking for figures to satisfy you then you must be barmy
I've already made my mind up

Offline Eleanor

Re: Supreme Court rules against the McCanns in damages case.
« Reply #671 on: February 04, 2017, 09:49:23 AM »
An old article. 2008.

Taken over by events.

Cling on to the starboard bow. Or should I say, Klingon. 8)--))

It depends on which way you are tacking.  Personally, I always had a harness.

stephen25000

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Re: Supreme Court rules against the McCanns in damages case.
« Reply #672 on: February 04, 2017, 09:51:56 AM »
What a wonderful article

Out of date.

I wonder how many in the Portuguese Press support the McCann's now. 8)-)))

Likewise, how many have decried the mccann's for what they failed to do.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Supreme Court rules against the McCanns in damages case.
« Reply #673 on: February 04, 2017, 09:52:12 AM »
It is already known all too well , what you support and why.

I support the McCanns but you don't have a clue why
You think you do but you dont

stephen25000

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Re: Supreme Court rules against the McCanns in damages case.
« Reply #674 on: February 04, 2017, 09:59:52 AM »
I support the McCanns but you don't have a clue why
You think you do but you dont

You have said why you do, but it doesn't mean I believe you.

Is it for truth , justice the Mccann way ?  *&*%£