Supreme Court rules against the McCanns in damages case.

[Alfie]

I'm merely quoting an editorial piece,I'd suggest it is others who are trying to make some significance out of it.

Who first brought this use of the word "top" to the forum's attention?  Oh yes, it was you.  Why was that again?

[Brietta]

Where and when was this published?

http://expresso.sapo.pt/opiniao/opiniao_miguel_sousa_tavares/2017-02-04-Justica-a-portuguesa
04.02.2017

[Alfie]

http://expresso.sapo.pt/opiniao/opiniao_miguel_sousa_tavares/2017-02-04-Justica-a-portuguesa
04.02.2017

Can anyone access the whole article and post a decent translation of it?  I realise none of the PT Amaral fan club will be interested in doing so, so perhaps we will never be able to read an alternative PT view of the "top" cop. 

[Mr Gray]

Can anyone access the whole article and post a decent translation of it?  I realise none of the PT Amaral fan club will be interested in doing so, so perhaps we will never be able to read an alternative PT view of the "top" cop.

#Nalalo Amaral, the inspector of the PJ who was investigating the 'Maddie Case', concluded the investigation without any conclusions and decided to write a book to defend the thesis that he had failed to prove during the investigation: the parents would have murdered their daughter. The book (which, symptomatically, opens with a circumstantial lie) sustains from the beginning the thesis of the brilliant investigator, inspired by the 'Caso Joana Cipriano' - with the enormous difference that here it was not possible to torture the mother to obtain from her a confession Which, shamefully, the court then accepted as evidence. Little did he care: Mr. Amaral turned his professional fiasco, his thesis never demonstrated, in fact official and of that made a business opportunity. Thus accused of killing their daughter, the McCanns brought against Gonçalo Amaral an action of defamation - which they won in the first instance, lost in the Relation and ended up losing definitively in the Supreme. It is freedom of the press, counselors say: the freedom of, without some evidence and lightly accusing someone of having killed their own daughter.

#thats just the first part


and note a respected portugues journalist confirming that cipriano was tortured into giving a confession

[Brietta]

Can anyone access the whole article and post a decent translation of it?  I realise none of the PT Amaral fan club will be interested in doing so, so perhaps we will never be able to read an alternative PT view of the "top" cop.

I am of the opinion that Portugal does not consist solely of the hostility to which we have become accustomed ... I think what we are exposed to is a microcosm.

[G-Unit]

Justice is Innocent Until Proven Guilty.  It is really that simple.

I replied to this but it was deleted and I was given a 'libel' warning. I have been advised that my post was not libellous, so here it is again.

''There's nothing wrong with that concept until people start insisting that someone is innocent when they have no way of knowing if it's true or not. That's just the same as people insisting that someone is guilty without knowing if it's true or not.

What I see on this forum are people going to extraordinary lengths to convince others that the McCanns are innocent. I don't see people going to extraordinary lengths to convince others that they're guilty. Instead I see people pointing to evidence which casts doubt on certain aspects of the McCann's story.''

[Alfie]

I replied to this but it was deleted and I was given a 'libel' warning. I have been advised that my post was not libellous, so here it is again.

''There's nothing wrong with that concept until people start insisting that someone is innocent when they have no way of knowing if it's true or not. That's just the same as people insisting that someone is guilty without knowing if it's true or not.

What I see on this forum are people going to extraordinary lengths to convince others that the McCanns are innocent. I don't see people going to extraordinary lengths to convince others that they're guilty. Instead I see people pointing to evidence which casts doubt on certain aspects of the McCann's story.''

Only because on this forum you're not allowed to.  That's the only reason.

[Mr Gray]

I replied to this but it was deleted and I was given a 'libel' warning. I have been advised that my post was not libellous, so here it is again.

''There's nothing wrong with that concept until people start insisting that someone is innocent when they have no way of knowing if it's true or not. That's just the same as people insisting that someone is guilty without knowing if it's true or not.

What I see on this forum are people going to extraordinary lengths to convince others that the McCanns are innocent. I don't see people going to extraordinary lengths to convince others that they're guilty. Instead I see people pointing to evidence which casts doubt on certain aspects of the McCann's story.''

You see what you want to see
I see people going to extraordinary lengths to try and prove the McCanns are lying
Spending days and weeks studying the files is extraordinary to me
Particularly as SY and the PJ have already decided there is no evidence in the accuse the McCanns of any crime

[Erngath]

#Nalalo Amaral, the inspector of the PJ who was investigating the 'Maddie Case', concluded the investigation without any conclusions and decided to write a book to defend the thesis that he had failed to prove during the investigation: the parents would have murdered their daughter. The book (which, symptomatically, opens with a circumstantial lie) sustains from the beginning the thesis of the brilliant investigator, inspired by the 'Caso Joana Cipriano' - with the enormous difference that here it was not possible to torture the mother to obtain from her a confession Which, shamefully, the court then accepted as evidence. Little did he care: Mr. Amaral turned his professional fiasco, his thesis never demonstrated, in fact official and of that made a business opportunity. Thus accused of killing their daughter, the McCanns brought against Gonçalo Amaral an action of defamation - which they won in the first instance, lost in the Relation and ended up losing definitively in the Supreme. It is freedom of the press, counselors say: the freedom of, without some evidence and lightly accusing someone of having killed their own daughter.

#thats just the first part


and note a respected portugues journalist confirming that cipriano was tortured into giving a confession

Indeed.
Not a glowing article about him. One wonders how many other journalists share these opinions.

[barrier]

Your original post was wrong
You said they referred to amaral as a top cop
They didn't
Go back and read it again

Original post in its entirety.Post no 810

spot on carlymichelle

papers now calling him Victorious detective ..not the bungling cop it seem they are warming to him

I think the readers will want to know more about him ...than the mccs .........

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/763253/Detective-writing-new-Maddie-McCann-book

My post then followed with the link clearly demonstrating the description of top cop.

The Sun is calling him a Top Cop now.

Top cop who accused Madeleine McCann’s parents of covering up her death is planning to write ANOTHER book after winning libel appeal

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2788143/top-cop-who-accused-madeleine-mccanns-parents-of-covering-up-her-death-is-planning-to-write-another-book-after-winning-libel-appeal/

[Alfie]

Original post in its entirety.Post no 810

My post then followed with the link clearly demonstrating the description of top cop.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2788143/top-cop-who-accused-madeleine-mccanns-parents-of-covering-up-her-death-is-planning-to-write-another-book-after-winning-libel-appeal/

What do you think "top" refers to in the headline and article then?

[Alice Purjorick]

None of it really matters.
The Supreme Court upheld the decision of the Appeal Court which ruled in Sr Amaral's favour and not in the plaintiffs favour.
Game over.

In the next game who knows?

[Mr Gray]

Original post in its entirety.Post no 810

My post then followed with the link clearly demonstrating the description of top cop.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2788143/top-cop-who-accused-madeleine-mccanns-parents-of-covering-up-her-death-is-planning-to-write-another-book-after-winning-libel-appeal/

so wh do you thing the Sun means by Top Cop....as it refers to him as the top cop it simply means the cop leading the investigation....and the sun did not refer to him as a top cop as you claim

[jassi]

Where's the need to define anything?
Post 810 merely state what the Sun were calling him in the head lines and following story

You, wrongly disagreed that that was what Sun said.

[Erngath]

He is called " brilliant investigator" in the article by the Portugues journalist. Was this a tongue in cheek description?