Supreme Court rules against the McCanns in damages case.

[Eleanor]

I haven't read it.  No doubt I will get it all, chapter and verse eventually.

[Brietta]

I haven't read it.  No doubt I will get it all, chapter and verse eventually.

In my opinion Amaral's blogspot ~ Textusa ~ and Ms Donn seem to be ensuring that their interpretation is going to be the definitive one.
Last time I checked neither the English speaking MSM or the Portuguese MSM appeared to have picked up on the release of the judgement.

[Eleanor]

In my opinion Amaral's blogspot ~ Textusa ~ and Ms Donn seem to be ensuring that their interpretation is going to be the definitive one.
Last time I checked neither the English speaking MSM or the Portuguese MSM appeared to have picked up on the release of the judgement.

Don't worry too much about it.  It will all come out in the wash, once we have a half decent translation.

[ShiningInLuz]

Don't worry too much about it.  It will all come out in the wash, once we have a half decent translation.

75 or76 pages of translation onwards, you won't have anything but disagreement.  Such is life.

[misty]

I can't read their handwriting, Misty.  I do know that Isabel Duarte objected to one at the beginning of this process, but got nowhere.

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=search&rurl=translate.google.co.uk&sl=pt-BR&sp=nmt4&u=http://www.stj.pt/ficheiros/tabelas/Decididas/Civeis/1s-2017-01-31.pdf&usg=ALkJrhjNAYk0jdhJUFleEKqPDms4ySemVQ

[Brietta]

75 or76 pages of translation onwards, you won't have anything but disagreement.  Such is life.

Of course there is going to be disagreement ~ but why have two McCann unfriendly blogs apparently been able to jump the gun in getting the message out?

[Mr Gray]

Of course there is going to be disagreement ~ but why have two McCann unfriendly blogs apparently been able to jump the gun in getting the message out?

We have a good idea what the judgement is
McCanns human rights ignored
They may have a better case with the presumption of innocence
It's more clear cut
Interesting to see what happens

[Mr Gray]

If this translation is correct
It may not be
If the McCanns aren't entitled to the presumption of innocence because they haven't been cleared then no suspect in Portugal is entitled to the presumption of innocence which is  totally at odds with the declaration of human rights which Portugal I presume is signed up to

It would make Portugals justice system a laughing stock

[slartibartfast]

Of course there is going to be disagreement ~ but why have two McCann unfriendly blogs apparently been able to jump the gun in getting the message out?

Well the judgement is there, why don't some McCann friendly people get on with the translation.

[stephen25000]

If this translation is correct
It may not be
If the McCanns aren't entitled to the presumption of innocence because they haven't been cleared then no suspect in Portugal is entitled to the presumption of innocence which is  totally at odds with the declaration of human rights which Portugal I presume is signed up to

It would make Portugals justice system a laughing stock

Why don't you wait for the translation ???

[Alfie]

Well the judgement is there, why don't some McCann friendly people get on with the translation.

We're just not as "into" it all as the McCann critics are (and we don't have a little army of Portuguese English speakers with a lot of time of their hands  )

[carlymichelle]

Judges demolish McCanns' innocence
Court acquits Gonçalo Amaral and points out that the couple was constituted as arguidos (suspects) with a "well-founded suspicion" of having committed a crime.


Kate and Gerry McCann are demolished in the judgement of the Supreme Court in which the former coordinator of the PJ is acquitted of paying half a million euros to the parents of the girl who disappeared in May 2007 in the Algarve. At stake is the book 'Maddie: The Truth of the Lie', in which Amaral argues that the girl died in an accident and that the body was concealed by the parents, who simulated an abduction.

The McCanns felt aggrieved by the book and sued the author. The Judge-Counsellors replied: "The defendant [Gonçalo Amaral] expressed his opinion in the light of the evidence and indications gathered in the investigation opened in virtue of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann on May 3, 2007 (...) Incidentally, the claimants (appellants, applicants) were constituted as arguidos in a criminal investigation, which implies that there was a well-founded suspicion of having committed crimes or crimes."

Kate and Gerry understand that the book is an attack on their honour and that the content results from the breach of professional secrecy by Gonçalo Amaral.

The Judge-Counsellors continue: "It is true that the criminal investigation was eventually archived, in virtue of none of the evidence that led to the constitution of the claimants as arguidos was confirmed. Nonetheless, even in the archiving dispatch serious reservations are made about the verisimilitude (reality of) of the allegation that Madeleine had been abducted."

As to the presumption of innocence invoked by the parents, they (Judges) consider that one should not say "that the claimants were acquitted through the order of archiving the criminal proceedings (investigation). The archiving was determined because it was not possible to obtain sufficient evidence of the practice of crimes. It does not seem reasonable to consider that said archiving dispatch, based on insufficient evidence, should be equated as substantiation (proof) of exoneration".




https://joana-morais.blogspot.com.au/2017/02/judges-demolish-mccanns-innocence.html?m=1

[xtina]

We have a good idea what the judgement is
McCanns human rights ignored
They may have a better case with the presumption of innocence
It's more clear cut
Interesting to see what happens

how where the mccs humane rights ignored ......

they can't run with the hares ...and hunt with the hounds...

they should never have gone after G A ....with the vengeance they did ...making it top priority

they themselves gave up there humane rights ..........when it suited ...

personal life wrote about........... by k mcc own hand in book............


– The fame and notoriety the applicants achieved in Portugal and worldwide is undeniable. The applicants can’t allow media interviews , including in the intimacy of their home, when these are favourable to them and then prohibit the publication of books and even comments , about public facts when allegedly these can be unfavourable to them.

– Therefore, the scope of the private life of the applicants, because of their notoriety or by their own choice, must be considered reduced, namely within the scope of No. 2 article 80 of the CC.

[Alfie]

Oh dear, that means Murat is still in the frame too, along with all the other arguidos I guess....  &%+((£

[jassi]

Oh dear, that means Murat is still in the frame too, along with all the other arguidos I guess....  &%+((£

Already been mentioned, I believe. His position has no bearing on that of the McCanns.