Were the McCanns innocent in the eyes of the law?

[slartibartfast]

Where does it state that they thought this?

Well their Lawyer seemed to be of that opinion?

[Robittybob1]

Judgement Page 67:

"Of all those circumstances does not result, in our view, that underlying the book, the documentary and interview, exists an defamatory intention against the appellants, i.e an animus injuriandi, but rather an animus informandi and an animus defendendi. The opinion expressed by the respondent is sufficiently detailed in an intelligible and logical assessment of the facts and elements of evidence gathered in the investigation"

That seems biased.

[Robittybob1]

Apparently she was asleep on top of the covers but the covers were folded back

"Madeleine was lying down on her left side, she was completely uncovered, that is, lying on top of the covers."
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

Meanwhile the other says:
"She was under the covers, she thinks because she was a bit cold."
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN_ARGUIDO.htm

"With respect to the bed where his daughter was on the night she disappeared he says that she slept uncovered, as usual when she was hot, with the bedclothes folded down."
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

Just one more thing.............

Are you out to deceive PF?  Those two observations are about 2 hours apart. 
"She says that she doesn't know if the children were in the same positions when they left the apartment.

It was around 7:15PM when they put the children to bed and checked they were sleeping, she says she is sure of this."

[Robittybob1]

How did he think the door had opened if Madeleine was still as he'd left her?

We wouldn't be allowed to say.

[Robittybob1]

No such thing.
In the eyes of the law it's "Guilty" or "Not Guilty"

Didn't the SC judges use the words innocence, and they stayed away from making judgements on whether the McCanns were guilty or not  guilty?

[Robittybob1]

Well their Lawyer seemed to be of that opinion?

So there is a statement to this fact in the judgement.  I'll look out for it.  It is taking sometime for me to understand the layout of the judgement.

[pathfinder73]

Are you out to deceive PF?  Those two observations are about 2 hours apart. 
"She says that she doesn't know if the children were in the same positions when they left the apartment.

It was around 7:15PM when they put the children to bed and checked they were sleeping, she says she is sure of this."

Good try but no cigar. I know these statements.

"Moreover, he says that with respect to Madeleine she was in the same position in which he had left her at the beginning of the night." http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

[Robittybob1]

Good try but no cigar. I know these statements.

"Moreover, he says that with respect to Madeleine she was in the same position in which he had left her at the beginning of the night." http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

That is still possible because they are not checking at the same time.

[pathfinder73]

That is still possible because they are not checking at the same time.

In fantasy luzland anything is possible but not after investigating the facts there are contradictions and unanswered questions. How can the three witnesses who last saw Madeleine in the hours before she disappeared not agree?

The parents said they put Madeleine to sleep that night and contradicted each other on whether she was on top of the covers or under them. If they didn't know they could have said but they didn't. Before that the normal routine is that the kids go out to play (they missed out on the beach trip with the others). On 3 May there was a normal routine change due to tiredness then a friend arrived who couldn't remember seeing Kate in a towel. That witness didn't say the kids were tired. I could continue with more contradictions about that time period but they're known. Eddie later found CC that was on the bed that night but that's no contradiction.

[Robittybob1]

In fantasy luzland anything is possible but not after investigating the facts there are contradictions and unanswered questions. How can the three witnesses who last saw Madeleine in the hours before she disappeared not agree?

The parents said they put Madeleine to sleep that night and contradicted each other on whether she was on top of the covers or under them. If they didn't know they could have said but they didn't. Before that the normal routine is that the kids go out to play (they missed out on the beach trip with the others). On 3 May there was a normal routine change due to tiredness then a friend arrived and couldn't remember seeing Kate in a towel. That witness didn't say the kids were tired. I could continue with more contradictions about that time period but they're known. Eddie later found CC that was on the bed that night but that's no contradiction.

Did you say Kate covered her up because she was cold?  So that to me sounds like she was lying out of her blankets prior to that.  One hour later Gerry finds she is uncovered. OK, something has happened to her in the previous hour.
Cuddle cat never elicited an alert by Eddie.

[pathfinder73]

At 19H00, he made his way to the apartment, finding KATE and the children playing on the sofa. About 10 to 15 minutes later, they took the children to the bedroom and they all sat on MADELEINE'S bed to read a story. At 19H30, the twins were already in their respective cots and MADELEINE in the bed next to the bedroom door.

With respect to the bed where his daughter was on the night she disappeared he says that she slept uncovered, as usual when she was hot, with the bedclothes folded down.

Moreover, he says that with respect to Madeleine she was in the same position in which he had left her at the beginning of the night. Madeleine was lying down on her left side, she was completely uncovered, that is, lying on top of the covers.

GM: Madeleine on top of the covers

During the story Madeleine was lying on the pillow, alert and paying attention to the story. After both twins kissed Madeleine, she thinks that Gerry was in the room, and each (Kate and Gerry) placed a twin in its crib at the same time, between Madeleine's bed and the bed next to the window. They also kissed Madeleine, who was lying down. She was under the covers, she thinks because she was a bit cold.

KM: Under the covers

[John]

Did you say Kate covered her up because she was cold?  So that to me sounds like she was lying out of her blankets prior to that.  One hour later Gerry finds she is uncovered. OK, something has happened to her in the previous hour.
Cuddle cat never elicited an alert by Eddie.

Children often climb out over their bed covers if too warm, every parent knows that.

[pathfinder73]

Children often climb out over their bed covers if too warm, every parent knows that.

The child was said to be asleep before they left and seen in the same position and still asleep at around 9pm according to her father.

"Moreover, he says that with respect to Madeleine she was in the same position in which he had left her at the beginning of the night. Madeleine was lying down on her left side, she was completely uncovered, that is, lying on top of the covers."

[Robittybob1]

At 19H00, he made his way to the apartment, finding KATE and the children playing on the sofa. About 10 to 15 minutes later, they took the children to the bedroom and they all sat on MADELEINE'S bed to read a story. At 19H30, the twins were already in their respective cots and MADELEINE in the bed next to the bedroom door.

Moreover, he says that with respect to Madeleine she was in the same position in which he had left her at the beginning of the night. Madeleine was lying down on her left side, she was completely uncovered, that is, lying on top of the covers.

GM: Madeleine on top of the covers

During the story Madeleine was lying on the pillow, alert and paying attention to the story. After both twins kissed Madeleine, she thinks that Gerry was in the room, and each (Kate and Gerry) placed a twin in its crib at the same time, between Madeleine's bed and the bed next to the window. They also kissed Madeleine, who was lying down. She was under the covers, she thinks because she was a bit cold.

KM: Under the covers

That is exactly what I mean, Kate covered her up after Gerry had left.  So Gerry remembers her on top of the covers but Kate puts her under the covers.  Later she is on top of the covers but that is 1 and 3/4 hours later.
Anything could have happened in that time.

Children often climb out over their bed covers if too warm, every parent knows that.

Exactly. and it only takes a moment to tuck them in.

[Robittybob1]

The child was said to be asleep before they left and seen in the same position and still asleep at around 9pm according to her father.

"Moreover, he says that with respect to Madeleine she was in the same position in which he had left her at the beginning of the night. Madeleine was lying down on her left side, she was completely uncovered, that is, lying on top of the covers."

That doesn't preclude things happening between those two observations.  Gerry might think it is the same, and that is true, but it is only a presumption for Gerry to think nothing happened in between times.