Were the McCanns innocent in the eyes of the law?

[ferryman]

A mystery is prime suspect Efits hidden for many years. A mystery is why there were more regular checks on the night she disappeared. A mystery is why the parents didn't call the police straight away knowing she had been abducted. A mystery is deleted mobile log history within 24 hours. A mystery is paedo gangs being blamed within a few hours of her disappearance by a witness. A mystery is a key turned into not a key. A mystery is a timeline that doesn't add up. A mystery is parents not answering ALL questions to move the investigation forward. A mystery is CC being washed. A mystery is a car boot that was always seen open. A mystery is the Smiths saw long sleeves. A mystery is a twin reported to say Maddy's jammies. A mystery is getting keys to the local church. A mystery is certain statements not seen by Amaral. A mystery is Pamela Fenn hearing crying for 75 minutes when the parents claim they were in the apartment. A mystery is why Madeleine said why weren't you there when WE cried last night and they went out again and left them alone. A mystery is how Tannnerman kept changing and morphed into George Harrison. A mystery is how Jane Tanner passed two men without being seen. A mystery is fingerprints found on the window. A mystery is the cleaner seeing a cot in the parents bedroom. A mystery is many dog alerts. A mystery is parents not being present at first time Madeleine sailed (she cried). A mystery is why they were the only ones missing from the group at the beach. A mystery is a visit that doesn't add up. A mystery is a moving ajar door. A mystery is Kate sleeping in a spare bed for the first time. A mystery is the first visual check of the week on Madeleine (last time seen) in an unsecured apartment.

A mystery? No just questions that have answers.

There is no 'mystery' other than that created by the false premise inherent in the question.

Nothing was 'withheld' for any length of time at all.

Rather, two efits, produced at, or around, the time of the shelving of the first enquiry required a second enquiry, and a fresh, full-scale police investigation to justify their release, which is precisely what happened, when Scotland Yard, themselves already in possession of the efits before they released them, chose the moment of the Crimewatch programme to do so.

All other speculation is idle (at most charitable); malicious (at probably more accurate) tittle-tattle.

[G-Unit]

To be fair, I suspect the McCanns never even considered such a horrendous thing would happen, let alone Madeleine having the need for whatever reason to leave the apartment unaccompanied or seen doing so. So when it came to common sense health and safety guidelines, well they weren't observed.

I have seen many parents question the way the McCanns behaved, highlighting their choices and then comparing them to their own choices for raising their children. Parents do raise their children differently, and there is no definitive rule book for doing so.

What horrendous thing? If they could foresee no reason for Madeleine to leave the apartment why did Kate say that was the reason for the open door?

Parents all have their own methods, but very few would consider it sensible or acceptable to expect a child of Madeleine's age to be able make her way to her parents if she felt the need. Most parents would have stopped her from attempting that journey in daylight.

I'm surprised they walked her to and from the mini-club each day. A child as mature as Kate suggested Madeleine was could have gone by herself, surely?

[Brietta]

This question has been discussed and answered on numerous occasions.

The McCann's endangered their children by leaving them alone, and it was totally unnecessary.

During one of these periods Madeleine 'disappeared'.

Now, let's hear you answer some of my questions.

1. Why have you never criticized the Mccann's behaviour ?

By the way, any refusal to answer that question will lead to an almost inevitable conclusion for other people, and since you have refused to answer the same one, when I have asked you before, I have already made mine some time ago.

It is against my moral compass to involve myself in unnecessary criticism of a couple who are all too aware of exactly what the loss of their daughter means for them, and every other member of her family, every single day of their lives until such time as they discover what happened to her.

As far as Madeleine's disappearance is concerned you know exactly what everyone else does and that is nothing.

You may have an opinion ... and that is all it is ... do not presume to state your opinion as fact.

[stephen25000]

It is against my moral compass to involve myself in unnecessary criticism of a couple who are all too aware of exactly what the loss of their daughter means for them, and every other member of her family, every single day of their lives until such time as they discover what happened to her.

As far as Madeleine's disappearance is concerned you know exactly what everyone else does and that is nothing.

You may have an opinion ... and that is all it is ... do not presume to state your opinion as fact.

Moral compass ?

How pretentious.

Their actions and lack of care of their children led to this case, and no matter how Madeleine 'disappeared', they and only , bear responsibility for that.

Your answer is also hypocritical, as you have frequently criticized Amaral. A man you would never have heard of, but for the Mccann's actions.

As to, stating possibilities as facts, how many times have you referred to 'abduction' as an unstated  fact ?

[The Singularity]

I certainly don't agree that a child just under the age of 4 could wake up and handle an emergency , rationally and logically. Adults often don't.

Neither do I, a three year old is woefully inappropriate to handle any urgent matter, but as I said, given who was in the apartment only Madeleine had the ability to do so. The choice of putting her in that position was down to her parents which we can both agree was not the best choice on their part. However it was a choice that proved catastrophic for them but was a mistake.

As to 'cleaning products', that was not part of my rationale, and after all, I would not wish to type something on an open forum which might  be construed as libel. The lack of traces of a body, does not mean compounds resulting from decomposition, could not be detected.

Yes in total agreement however forensically speaking there was nothing to indicate that this was the case. Had sufficient forensic surfaced then I would believe that this case would not be described as a missing child

[Brietta]

Moral compass ?

How pretentious.

Their actions and lack of care of their children led to this case, and no matter how M

When stating your opinion in your posts including the last sentence of the above please include the words ... "in my opinion" ... unless you are making a statement of fact to which you are able to provide a cite.  Thank you.

[stephen25000]

When stating your opinion in your posts including the last sentence of the above please include the words ... "in my opinion" ... unless you are making a statement of fact to which you are able to provide a cite.  Thank you.

That also empirically applies to you as well.

So, when stating abduction, add the phrase, 'in my opinion'.

Merci.

[G-Unit]

It is against my moral compass to involve myself in unnecessary criticism of a couple who are all too aware of exactly what the loss of their daughter means for them, and every other member of her family, every single day of their lives until such time as they discover what happened to her.

As far as Madeleine's disappearance is concerned you know exactly what everyone else does and that is nothing.

You may have an opinion ... and that is all it is ... do not presume to state your opinion as fact.

Anyone can make a mistake. Sometimes mistakes cause suffering. Very often we can empathise because the mistake is one that anyone could have made. In those cases I agree, criticism doesn't help; although I wouldn't go so far as to bring morality into the equation.

The problem with the Madeleine McCann case is that many people cannot empathise with the parent's actions because they can't make sense of them. They can't understand the logic of their decision-making process. Why lock up in the daytime but not at night? To allow a small child to negotiate an exit via a balcony where she should always have been supervised? To allow her to find her parents at night in a strange place in the dark?

That, in my opinion, isn't a mistake, it's sheer lunacy.

[The Singularity]

What horrendous thing?

That their daughter disappeared without trace. I would think they consider this to be an horrendous moment in their lives.

If they could foresee no reason for Madeleine to leave the apartment why did Kate say that was the reason for the open door?

I can only assume that for some reason they did not think having the children effectively sealed in the apartment was a good idea.

Parents all have their own methods, but very few would consider it sensible or acceptable to expect a child of Madeleine's age to be able make her way to her parents if she felt the need. Most parents would have stopped her from attempting that journey in daylight.

And would be one of those parents who would have stopped any child of Madeleine's age making that trip unaccompanied.

I'm surprised they walked her to and from the mini-club each day. A child as mature as Kate suggested Madeleine was could have gone by herself, surely?

The fact that they did is the example of parental care for a child that all parents carry out. And I don't think any parent, Kate included, would ever with good conscience refer to a three year old as being mature.

[ferryman]

Anyone can make a mistake. Sometimes mistakes cause suffering. Very often we can empathise because the mistake is one that anyone could have made. In those cases I agree, criticism doesn't help; although I wouldn't go so far as to bring morality into the equation.

The problem with the Madeleine McCann case is that many people cannot empathise with the parent's actions because they can't make sense of them. They can't understand the logic of their decision-making process. Why lock up in the daytime but not at night? To allow a small child to negotiate an exit via a balcony where she should always have been supervised? To allow her to find her parents at night in a strange place in the dark?

That, in my opinion, isn't a mistake, it's sheer lunacy.

How closely do you 'supervise' your children while they are in bed asleep?

[Brietta]

Anyone can make a mistake. Sometimes mistakes cause suffering. Very often we can empathise because the mistake is one that anyone could have made. In those cases I agree, criticism doesn't help; although I wouldn't go so far as to bring morality into the equation.

The problem with the Madeleine McCann case is that many people cannot empathise with the parent's actions because they can't make sense of them. They can't understand the logic of their decision-making process. Why lock up in the daytime but not at night? To allow a small child to negotiate an exit via a balcony where she should always have been supervised? To allow her to find her parents at night in a strange place in the dark?

That, in my opinion, isn't a mistake, it's sheer lunacy.

In my opinion it indeed is a question of morality when there are those who have felt themselves driven to condemn a bereaved family in the most calculatedly vicious terms ... and to keep doing so without let or hindrance for approaching ten years.

It conduct which is morally indefensible as well as indefensible in apportioning blame to individuals who are innocent in the eyes of the law.

[G-Unit]

That their daughter disappeared without trace. I would think they consider this to be an horrendous moment in their lives.


I can only assume that for some reason they did not think having the children effectively sealed in the apartment was a good idea.

And would be one of those parents who would have stopped any child of Madeleine's age making that trip unaccompanied.

The fact that they did is the example of parental care for a child that all parents carry out. And I don't think any parent, Kate included, would ever with good conscience refer to a three year old as being mature.

Kate seems to have thought Madeleine could leave the apartment and find them. That suggests a level of maturity exceeding that of an average three year old. The parental care demonstrated during the day was absent at night, unfortunately for Madeleine.

[Alfie]

The problem is their 'mistake' was so stupid it's hard for some to believe that anyone could really be so stupid. None of the group look or sound like intellectual giants, but even their friends locked their doors.

10 years on and you still can't get over it?  Yes, even intellectual giants can be stupid, did you not know that?

[Alfie]

Perhaps by that time the danger to them  of 'woke and wandered' had been realised and was thus airbrushed.
From what I recall, this program was very much a McCann production.

"Woke and wandered" is dangerous to the McCanns how exactly?

[Alfie]

Anyone can make a mistake. Sometimes mistakes cause suffering. Very often we can empathise because the mistake is one that anyone could have made. In those cases I agree, criticism doesn't help; although I wouldn't go so far as to bring morality into the equation.

The problem with the Madeleine McCann case is that many people cannot empathise with the parent's actions because they can't make sense of them. They can't understand the logic of their decision-making process. Why lock up in the daytime but not at night? To allow a small child to negotiate an exit via a balcony where she should always have been supervised? To allow her to find her parents at night in a strange place in the dark?

That, in my opinion, isn't a mistake, it's sheer lunacy.

I think you are over-egging the pudding somewhat.  It wasn't a strange place, it was a place they had stayed for several days, a home from home if you like.  They didn't just plonk Madeleine in a random dark room in the middle of nowhere and leave her.  She knew where she was a propos the Tapas restaurant for example.  But I don't recall that the McCanns ever said they expected Madeleine to physically make her own way to their table.  If she had needed them she could have called to them from the balcony and been heard.   But if you prefer to view the McCanns as lunatics then that's your prerogative.