Was stranger abduction unlikely due to the checking regime?

[The Singularity]

We know the timelines were created by the group which would probably be reflected in the statements. Group dynamics would likely result in some Members recollections having more weight than others who in turn would conform to the group will. IMO, the accuracy of the group timeline is not likely to be high.

I have to agree with this. I am aware that reconstructions can prove vital to progress investigations and have contributed in crimes being solved. The more time passes from the crime, the more recollections can somewhat fade and become less accurate.

Unfortunately I feel that a reconstruction would not further the investigation into finding Madeleine at this point.

[Alfie]

From memory but IIRC the recon was to take place over two days. 

Day 1 for the actual recon - between 5.00p.m. and 11.00p.pm
and Day 2 for the PJ to study the events of Day 1.

IMO that would strongly suggest that those involved in recreating their movements of 3rd May would only have one go at it.

In view of the massive no. of  different possible variations -  because only approx times of 9 people's movements were known  - the whole idea that anything meaningful could be established is preposterous IMO.

I still have no idea how a recon could establish the McCanns innocence.  Their innocence of what?

God knows.  A reconstruction would have been a complete and utter waste of time.  Would it have proven that Madeleine wasn't given an overdose of sedative and fell off the balcony?  would it have proven that Gerry didn't hide her body later that evening?  Utter nonsense.

[Robittybob1]

There was, according to the PJ, nothing else to do, so no 'next stage';

Therefore, as we do not envision, at the present moment, the execution of any other diligence within the process that might produce any useful result for the process, I submit it to your consideration, for you to determine whatever you may see as convenient.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P_J_FINAL_REPORT.htm

They seem to have failed to consider Ocean Club staff and or the rest of the Tapas group.

[The Singularity]

...Would it have proven that Madeleine wasn't given an overdose of sedative and fell off the balcony?  would it have proven that Gerry didn't hide her body later that evening?  Utter nonsense.

From your comment I can assume that you believe a conspiracy to deny a body of legal burial is afoot? This theory has been around since the very moment Madeleine disappeared. I am somewhat surprised that after almost ten years people still entertain this despite the evidence that such a conspiracy would need is woefully lacking.

For me the most damning indictment for this premise is that it is hinging everything on the fact that Mr or Mrs McCann, or both suddenly had a complete character change and dismissed basic primeval urges to protect their offspring. Such a massive character swing, and essentially a fundamental character flaw would have certainly been evident prior to and after the disappearance of Madeleine. Prior behavior indicating that they were capable of this would have been so defining that a first year criminal psychology student would be flagging it up. In the rare instance that both parents, as is theorised, were involved then the fundamental character defects would be alarmingly apparent as they would feed off each other and there would be prior incidents reflecting this. 

The only way this premise can function through to it's alleged conclusion is if you are willing to take on faith that either or both parents are capable of such disregard for human life and empathy without one single prior incident to sustain it.

It's massive ask, so big that at present without any supporting historical or crime scene evidence I cannot entertain it.

[Alice Purjorick]

From your comment I can assume that you believe a conspiracy to deny a body of legal burial is afoot? This theory has been around since the very moment Madeleine disappeared. I am somewhat surprised that after almost ten years people still entertain this despite the evidence that such a conspiracy would need is woefully lacking.

For me the most damning indictment for this premise is that it is hinging everything on the fact that Mr or Mrs McCann, or both suddenly had a complete character change and dismissed basic primeval urges to protect their offspring. Such a massive character swing, and essentially a fundamental character flaw would have certainly been evident prior to and after the disappearance of Madeleine. Prior behavior indicating that they were capable of this would have been so defining that a first year criminal psychology student would be flagging it up. In the rare instance that both parents, as is theorised, were involved then the fundamental character defects would be alarmingly apparent as they would feed off each other and there would be prior incidents reflecting this. 

The only way this premise can function through to it's alleged conclusion is if you are willing to take on faith that either or both parents are capable of such disregard for human life and empathy without one single prior incident to sustain it.

It's massive ask, so big that at present without any supporting historical or crime scene evidence I cannot entertain it.

Why is a prior incident essential?

[ferryman]

From your comment I can assume that you believe a conspiracy to deny a body of legal burial is afoot? This theory has been around since the very moment Madeleine disappeared. I am somewhat surprised that after almost ten years people still entertain this despite the evidence that such a conspiracy would need is woefully lacking.

For me the most damning indictment for this premise is that it is hinging everything on the fact that Mr or Mrs McCann, or both suddenly had a complete character change and dismissed basic primeval urges to protect their offspring. Such a massive character swing, and essentially a fundamental character flaw would have certainly been evident prior to and after the disappearance of Madeleine. Prior behavior indicating that they were capable of this would have been so defining that a first year criminal psychology student would be flagging it up. In the rare instance that both parents, as is theorised, were involved then the fundamental character defects would be alarmingly apparent as they would feed off each other and there would be prior incidents reflecting this. 

The only way this premise can function through to it's alleged conclusion is if you are willing to take on faith that either or both parents are capable of such disregard for human life and empathy without one single prior incident to sustain it.

It's massive ask, so big that at present without any supporting historical or crime scene evidence I cannot entertain it.

I think you'll find Alfie would fully concur with your critique of the premise, but was rather arguing that a reconstruction would not help establish any of it.

[The Singularity]

Why is a prior incident essential?

Criminal psychologists look for any indications to explain, confirm or dismiss apparent behaviour. And given what is being asked here, it is such a monumental flip in character that something would have been evident in their past to indicate that either or both were capable of such an essentially disturbing course of action. Even if it manifested only towards the weak, for example children, then family, friends, anyone who had an insight into their private lives would throw any sort of loyalty out of the window to protect the children.

These people are not monsters, and to entertain the theory they were involved in any capacity would mean such a disregard for Madeleine's life that to look at them just doesn't justify the suspicion.

[The Singularity]

I think you'll find Alfie would fully concur with your critique of the premise, but was rather arguing that a reconstruction would not help establish any of it.

My sincere apologies to Alfie for misunderstanding their post. I do agree as well, that I feel little would be benefited from a reconstruction now sadly.

[Alfie]

From your comment I can assume that you believe a conspiracy to deny a body of legal burial is afoot? This theory has been around since the very moment Madeleine disappeared. I am somewhat surprised that after almost ten years people still entertain this despite the evidence that such a conspiracy would need is woefully lacking.

For me the most damning indictment for this premise is that it is hinging everything on the fact that Mr or Mrs McCann, or both suddenly had a complete character change and dismissed basic primeval urges to protect their offspring. Such a massive character swing, and essentially a fundamental character flaw would have certainly been evident prior to and after the disappearance of Madeleine. Prior behavior indicating that they were capable of this would have been so defining that a first year criminal psychology student would be flagging it up. In the rare instance that both parents, as is theorised, were involved then the fundamental character defects would be alarmingly apparent as they would feed off each other and there would be prior incidents reflecting this. 

The only way this premise can function through to it's alleged conclusion is if you are willing to take on faith that either or both parents are capable of such disregard for human life and empathy without one single prior incident to sustain it.

It's massive ask, so big that at present without any supporting historical or crime scene evidence I cannot entertain it.

Well said (apart from assuming I'm into some cover-up conspiracy - quite the reverse!)

[Alice Purjorick]

Criminal psychologists look for any indications to explain, confirm or dismiss apparent behaviour. And given what is being asked here, it is such a monumental flip in character that something would have been evident in their past to indicate that either or both were capable of such an essentially disturbing course of action. Even if it manifested only towards the weak, for example children, then family, friends, anyone who had an insight into their private lives would throw any sort of loyalty out of the window to protect the children.

These people are not monsters, and to entertain the theory they were involved in any capacity would mean such a disregard for Madeleine's life that to look at them just doesn't justify the suspicion.

You have therefore ruled out the possibility this could have been the first or only incident?
On what basis have you done that?

[The Singularity]

You have therefore ruled out the possibility this could have been the first or only incident?
On what basis have you done that?

Partly because there is a precedent for such behaviour, to be able to become so lacking in empathy and disregard for life is a process that generally has historic indications. Granted there are going to be exceptions however I don't see either Mr or Mrs McCann falling into that particular small subset. 

Secondly, generally on the whole a parent to deny their child life, or in this proposed case, to willfully dispose of them, for me, that takes a mind set that is so dark I can't relate to. I would suggest that it is so dark that someone would not simply start with such a twisted act as it would need a severe counter to our inherent and need to protect, especially children.

[Alfie]

Partly because there is a precedent for such behaviour, to be able to become so lacking in empathy and disregard for life is a process that generally has historic indications. Granted there are going to be exceptions however I don't see either Mr or Mrs McCann falling into that particular small subset. 

Secondly, generally on the whole a parent to deny their child life, or in this proposed case, to willfully dispose of them, for me, that takes a mind set that is so dark I can't relate to. I would suggest that it is so dark that someone would not simply start with such a twisted act as it would need a severe counter to our inherent and need to protect, especially children.

I agree.  If I had left my kids alone and one of them had died in my absence, my own job security, social standing and liberty would be the very last thing on my mind.  I would WANT to be held to account, the guilt would be all-consuming.  But then that's a normal reaction (I am pretty normal I think) - we are constantly being asked to believe that not one, but BOTH parents were (are) severely abnormal.  Where is the evidence for this being the case?

[Miss Taken Identity]

 Criminal psychologist read books,people watch, not all of them spot the behaviour of such people. Jamie Bulger was tortured and murdered by first time killers, also many first time killers only get spotted,identified of certain behaviour after the event. ie after they are caught! So your theory doesn't quite hold much water . Sorry.

[Alice Purjorick]

Partly because there is a precedent for such behaviour, to be able to become so lacking in empathy and disregard for life is a process that generally has historic indications. Granted there are going to be exceptions however I don't see either Mr or Mrs McCann falling into that particular small subset. 

Secondly, generally on the whole a parent to deny their child life, or in this proposed case, to willfully dispose of them, for me, that takes a mind set that is so dark I can't relate to. I would suggest that it is so dark that someone would not simply start with such a twisted act as it would need a severe counter to our inherent and need to protect, especially children.

1,What behaviour? you seem to have prejudged a behavioural characteristic to suit your argument. On what basis have you done that?
2 It being beyond your ken renders it neither impossible nor improbable.

[Miss Taken Identity]

1,What behaviour? you seem to have prejudged a behavioural characteristic to suit your argument. On what basis have you done that?
2 It being beyond your ken renders it neither impossible nor improbable.

  Well said indeed!