Was stranger abduction unlikely due to the checking regime?

[pathfinder73]

An abductor usually means a getaway vehicle is involved close to the crime scene not walking so that suggests another theory from the timeline and regular checks. It does lead to one man who was carrying a child that eye witnesses believe was Madeleine but that doesn't mean she left the apartment minutes before she was seen. Gotta think outside the box.

[The Singularity]

If we are to entertain for one moment that an organised gang were involved, which I believe Scotland Yard is investigating then I think it's fair to assume that they are going to be very good as such activities. Especially if she was stolen to order as has been suggested. How long would it reasonably take for someone proficient in child abductions to find the unlocked patio door, locate Madeleine and be out of there without anyone seeing or hearing? Even with the checking routine the parents were using, anything over 5 minutes I would suspect gives someone looking to abduct Madeleine more than enough time.

The only thing that contradicts here is that Madeleine is not likely to have gone quietly should she have been able to realise what was happening. Which leads to the theory that she was in someway incapacitated making it far easier for the abductor to remain silent and low profile

[Alfie]

If we are to entertain for one moment that an organised gang were involved, which I believe Scotland Yard is investigating then I think it's fair to assume that they are going to be very good as such activities. Especially if she was stolen to order as has been suggested. How long would it reasonably take for someone proficient in child abductions to find the unlocked patio door, locate Madeleine and be out of there without anyone seeing or hearing? Even with the checking routine the parents were using, anything over 5 minutes I would suspect gives someone looking to abduct Madeleine more than enough time.

The only thing that contradicts here is that Madeleine is not likely to have gone quietly should she have been able to realise what was happening. Which leads to the theory that she was in someway incapacitated making it far easier for the abductor to remain silent and low profile

I disagree with your point bolded above.  Given that a child can be lifted asleep from its bed and removed from the apartment in under a minute, I think it's highly unlikely that Madeleine would have made much noise unless she was wide awake when abducted.  Sleeping children do not start shrieking the moment they awake.

[The Singularity]

I disagree with your point bolded above.  Given that a child can be lifted asleep from its bed and removed from the apartment in under a minute, I think it's highly unlikely that Madeleine would have made much noise unless she was wide awake when abducted.  Sleeping children do not start shrieking the moment they awake.

Yes, I'm quite willing to accept that is also the case here, I only mention the possibility of incapacitation because of what has been said about Madeleine and how loud and lively she could be. However a deep sleeping child could easily be carried away negating the need for any method of subduing her. Very possible.

[Brietta]

If we are to entertain for one moment that an organised gang were involved, which I believe Scotland Yard is investigating then I think it's fair to assume that they are going to be very good as such activities. Especially if she was stolen to order as has been suggested. How long would it reasonably take for someone proficient in child abductions to find the unlocked patio door, locate Madeleine and be out of there without anyone seeing or hearing? Even with the checking routine the parents were using, anything over 5 minutes I would suspect gives someone looking to abduct Madeleine more than enough time.

The only thing that contradicts here is that Madeleine is not likely to have gone quietly should she have been able to realise what was happening. Which leads to the theory that she was in someway incapacitated making it far easier for the abductor to remain silent and low profile

Two ten year old girls were abducted on their way to school, one describes the effect the trauma had on her ...

"I just froze ~ I couldn't talk ~ couldn't scream ~ couldn't do nothing.  The whole time I was just looking at Lisa and her face was bright red and she was screaming and he just chucked her in and then - I know it's unbelievable but I just got in with her ... "

The Girls Who Were Found Alive (Documentary) - Real Stories
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWLtvMdf4F0

[stephen25000]

Some people may wish to wax lyrical about 'abduction', and try to connect other cases to Madeleine's disappearance, but after virtually 10 years, and millions spent, nothing has been achieved , since the original investigation was shelved.

[Robittybob1]

Some people may wish to wax lyrical about 'abduction', and try to connect other cases to Madeleine's disappearance, but after virtually 10 years, and millions spent, nothing has been achieved , since the original investigation was shelved.

I question the validity of shelving the investigation just because they failed to get sufficient evidence against the McCanns.

[G-Unit]

The PJ thought it would be difficult to fit an abduction into the checking regime, which is why they wanted the reconstitution;

believing that said checking was as tight as the witnesses and the arguidos describe it, it would be, to say the least, very difficult that the conditions were reunited for the introduction of an abductor in the residence and the posterior exit of said individual, with the child,
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P_J_FINAL_REPORT.htm

[Robittybob1]

The PJ thought it would be difficult to fit an abduction into the checking regime, which is why they wanted the reconstitution;

believing that said checking was as tight as the witnesses and the arguidos describe it, it would be, to say the least, very difficult that the conditions were reunited for the introduction of an abductor in the residence and the posterior exit of said individual, with the child,
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P_J_FINAL_REPORT.htm

I wanted to know what they meant by "posterior exit".  From the full paragraph the window in Madeleine's room  is on the posterior side (same side a the front door!).

Also they are assuming if there was an abductor it was Tannerman.

"The establishing of a timeline and of the effective checking of the minors that were left alone inside the apartments, given the fact that, believing that said checking was as tight as the witnesses and the arguidos describe it, it would be, to say the least, very difficult that the conditions were reunited for the introduction of an abductor in the residence and the posterior exit of said individual, with the child, namely through a window with little space. It is added that the supposed abductor could only pass that window holding the minor in a different position (vertical) from the one that was visualized by witness JANE TANNER (horizontal)."

Changing the position one is carrying a child takes only a matter of moments and is no real barrier. 

[Robittybob1]

The PJ thought it would be difficult to fit an abduction into the checking regime, which is why they wanted the reconstitution;

believing that said checking was as tight as the witnesses and the arguidos describe it, it would be, to say the least, very difficult that the conditions were reunited for the introduction of an abductor in the residence and the posterior exit of said individual, with the child,
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P_J_FINAL_REPORT.htm

If that was what they wanted to check they could have done that using actors.  Who was going to do the role of the abductor?  The results would depend on the skill and courage  of the person or persons doing an abduction.  The analysis by the English Documentary (name always eludes me, was it Dispatches??), they said an abductor could get in and out in a matter of minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InJLmyakzeE

[G-Unit]

If that was what they wanted to check they could have done that using actors.  Who was going to do the role of the abductor.  It would depend on the skill and courage  of the person or persons doing an abduction.  The analysis by the English Documentary (name always eludes me, was it Dispatches??), they said to get in and out in a matter of minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InJLmyakzeE

What people say and what can be done are two different things. It would have been much more interesting if they had demonstrated the 'abduction' on film, with the same internal lighting conditions and with someone who was unfamiliar with the layout of the apartment.

[Robittybob1]

What people say and what can be done are two different things. It would have been much more interesting if they had demonstrated the 'abduction' on film, with the same internal lighting conditions and with someone who was unfamiliar with the layout of the apartment.

Could it ever produce a definitive result?  The PJ could make it seem it was impossible if that is what they wanted.

[slartibartfast]

If that was what they wanted to check they could have done that using actors.  Who was going to do the role of the abductor?  The results would depend on the skill and courage  of the person or persons doing an abduction.  The analysis by the English Documentary (name always eludes me, was it Dispatches??), they said an abductor could get in and out in a matter of minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InJLmyakzeE

Why would you need someone to act as abductor?

[Robittybob1]

Why would you need someone to act as abductor?

Why not have an abductor if you are going to demonstrate how possible it was?

[jassi]

Could it ever produce a definitive result? The PJ could make it seem it was impossible if that is what they wanted.

That might have been the reason for wanting the Tapas group there - to ensure that the PJ got it right  according to the players.