Was stranger abduction unlikely due to the checking regime?

[Robittybob1]

Child checking system discussed McCann's Irish RTE Late Late Show Interview May 13 2011

[ShiningInLuz]

If previous character and behaviour of a suspect was of no relevance in a police investigation why do police investigate it in the first place?

What police investigate and what I can lay my hands on are two different things completely.

I can assemble a minor amount of independent evidence that Madeleine was not maltreated in the past, albeit questions remain.

We have a bit more evidence about how Madeleine was treated during the holiday.  Overall, I would assess that as not great, whilst I accept the archiving report says they could not be prosecuted for neglect.

Their behaviour after the event I would characterise as extremely odd.  However, I do not know what normal behaviour would be if the McCanns are entirely blameless, nor can I characterise their behaviour if they are guilty of a serious crime.  I am not a criminal psychologist.

Perhaps the police have capabilities in character analysis and behavioural analysis.  I know that I do not.

[ferryman]

What police investigate and what I can lay my hands on are two different things completely.

I can assemble a minor amount of independent evidence that Madeleine was not maltreated in the past, albeit questions remain.

We have a bit more evidence about how Madeleine was treated during the holiday.  Overall, I would assess that as not great, whilst I accept the archiving report says they could not be prosecuted for neglect.

Their behaviour after the event I would characterise as extremely odd.  However, I do not know what normal behaviour would be if the McCanns are entirely blameless, nor can I characterise their behaviour if they are guilty of a serious crime.  I am not a criminal psychologist.

Perhaps the police have capabilities in character analysis and behavioural analysis.  I know that I do not.

The Prosecutors would not have trifled to make reference to 'neglect' if they thought it most likely Madeleine had come to the end of her days at the hands of her parents, or any of their friends.

[ShiningInLuz]

You are promoting an assumption based on a total misinterpretation of events ... if Kate's request for a priest was interpreted as a sign of Madeleine's death is anything to go by ... later reinforced by another grieving mother's marking of a passage in the bible she lent to Kate.

It is akin to naval gazing.  Whether or not the checking regime rendered abduction unlikely ... there is a reluctance to discuss that or even the probability of abduction.  Maybe it is programming or Pavlov's dogs salivating at working out yet another way of revisiting the same theory.
When will the penny drop that it doesn't matter how often it is reworked the end result is going to be exactly the same as it was in 2007 when investigators couldn't see the wood for the trees.

No I am not.  I am saying that the logic used by G-Unit stands up to scrutiny.

And I have made it clear that I am not into behavioural analysis, so I have no interest in Kate's request for a priest, or any passages marked in a Bible, or Murat's curiosity re phone analysis etc. etc. etc.

[Benice]

I am not aware of G-Unit proposing that this is THE solution, the most likely solution, or indeed a solution of any sufficient probability to convince a jury that this is what happened.

But to repeat, the opposition to this premise is based on belief.  Both in the nature of the McCanns (and presumably Matthew Oldfield) and that being good people, they would not do such a thing.  What you are asking the forum to accept is that both these beliefs are true.

Roughly speaking, it is like saying the belief the Earth was flat means exploration across the oceans should not have been permitted.

It's not about being 'good people' per se - it's about the unique, deeply profound and indestructable love that all normal people feel for their child from the moment their baby is born and they become parents.  It is not like any other kind of love.   The idea that it can be 'managed' or  'switched off' to suit changing circumstances is incomprehensible to me.

There is not a shred of evidence that the McCanns are not normal people.
 

[ShiningInLuz]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1564401/Madeleine-McCann-Parents-suspicious-trip.html

I am not saying the Huelva trip/missing kms story did not surface.  I am saying that knowing who else went on that trip and why, the body-in-the-boot tale to Huelva leaves me totally unimpressed.

From memory, Kate's book claims they were able to reconcile the 'missing' mileage.  That equally leaves me unimpressed for a couple of reasons.

[Brietta]

If you feel the need to incorporate 'retrieved-and-subsequently-disposed' into your argument re McCannsdunnit, so be it.  I don't.  A far simpler option is 'disposed-with-no-retrieval'.  Though 'retrieved-and-subsequently-disposed' can also be made to fly, albeit it is a layer more complex.

You seem to build Huelva up as an essential test in 'retrieved-and-subsequently-disposed'.  I'm not sure why.  To the best of my knowledge, the other people on that trip make it as unlikely as me becoming the next monarch of Patagonia.

I take it you meant 3 month old cadaver?

Even a 'disposed-with-no-retrieval' option presents logistical problems.

That is why the  'retrieved-and-subsequently-disposed' option was introduced.  Which led to the importance given to the car boot.  Forensics did not support that theory ... which does not dissuade the firm believers one iota.

[Brietta]

What police investigate and what I can lay my hands on are two different things completely.

I can assemble a minor amount of independent evidence that Madeleine was not maltreated in the past, albeit questions remain.

We have a bit more evidence about how Madeleine was treated during the holiday.  Overall, I would assess that as not great, whilst I accept the archiving report says they could not be prosecuted for neglect.

Their behaviour after the event I would characterise as extremely odd.  However, I do not know what normal behaviour would be if the McCanns are entirely blameless, nor can I characterise their behaviour if they are guilty of a serious crime.  I am not a criminal psychologist.

Perhaps the police have capabilities in character analysis and behavioural analysis.  I know that I do not.

What do you know of their behaviour after the event which enables your pejorative assessment of "extremely odd"?

[ShiningInLuz]

What do you know of their behaviour after the event which enables your pejorative assessment of "extremely odd"?

How many do you need?

[Brietta]

No I am not.  I am saying that the logic used by G-Unit stands up to scrutiny.

And I have made it clear that I am not into behavioural analysis, so I have no interest in Kate's request for a priest, or any passages marked in a Bible, or Murat's curiosity re phone analysis etc. etc. etc.

The huge problem with that is that on such opinion was the initial investigation's conduct of the case coloured.  Yours does not matter ... unfortunately theirs did,

[Brietta]

How many do you need?

I would be interested in what influences formed your opinion.

For example, Lizzie Taylor had a formative influence on mine.

[Mr Gray]

How many do you need?

perhaps you could give us three and see if they stand up to scrutiny

[The Singularity]

For example, Lizzie Taylor had a formative influence on mine.

May I ask in what way were they informative for example?

[Brietta]

May I ask in what way were they informative for example?

They were an insult to my intelligence.  Clearly manipulative.  Clearly propaganda. 

Any agenda which has as its basis for promotion a tissue of obvious lies and deceit is an agenda which is intrinsically wrong if not inherently evil.

[The Singularity]

They were an insult to my intelligence.  Clearly manipulative.  Clearly propaganda. 

Any agenda which has as its basis for promotion a tissue of obvious lies and deceit is an agenda which is intrinsically wrong if not inherently evil.

Ok thank you, I suspected as much as I have read mixed opinions on her and the majority are highly critical and pretty much say the same things you have. My reason for asking was because Richard D Hall includes her several times in his videos and I wanted to know more about this person and their credibility.