Was stranger abduction unlikely due to the checking regime?

[stephen25000]

Stalking the premises.

Opening windows.

Missing child.

The geographical distance between Cleveland and Praia da Luz doesn't appear to have affected the aberrant behaviour of perpetrators of home invasion and child abduction.

People standing outside a building, or looking at one, does not prove anything.

Try harder.

[Brietta]

People standing outside a building, or looking at one, does not prove anything.

Try harder.

Seems I don't have to.  The Cleveland CCTV footage confirms witness statements from Praia da Luz.  You are intelligent enough to see that even if you really, really don't like it one teensy bit.

[stephen25000]

Seems I don't have to.  The Cleveland CCTV footage confirms witness statements from Praia da Luz.  You are intelligent enough to see that even if you really, really don't like it one teensy bit.

Nothing you have come up with shows the Mccann's apartment was watched in pre-planning a burglary or otherwise.

In fact if someone had been watching during the day and checked, they would have known the apartment was locked.

I presume that salient fact has occurred to you.

[G-Unit]

Stalking the premises.

Opening windows.

Missing child.

The geographical distance between Cleveland and Praia da Luz doesn't appear to have affected the aberrant behaviour of perpetrators of home invasion and child abduction.

Cleveland; independent evidence of the opened windows
Luz; no independent evidence of an open window
Cleveland; evidence showing child being taken away.
Luz; no evidence showing child being taken away.
Cleveland; offender seen 'casing the joint'
Luz; 'casing of the joint' suggested, but not proved.

Still, they're very similar, right? Wrong.

[faithlilly]

They were an insult to my intelligence.  Clearly manipulative.  Clearly propaganda. 

Any agenda which has as its basis for promotion a tissue of obvious lies and deceit is an agenda which is intrinsically wrong if not inherently evil.

Let's talk about propaganda.

Some time ago the OFM Facebook webmaster posted a piece of research by a young lady called Erin Buckels about trolling. I contacted Miss Buckels and asked her if she knew that her research was being used to discredit questioners of the McCanns. She promptly sent back an email saying that not only did asking questions 'not fit the standard definition
of trolling' but sounded more like 'cyber-activism' to her. She went on to say that in general she did not support censorship and did not think it was appropriate to censor comments like the ones desribed and that you should not
label someone a troll just because they have a dissenting viewpoint.

I contacted the webmaster and informed her of Miss Buckel's email and comments and that I would make those comments public if she did not withdraw the thread. It was immediately withdrawn.

Now that's propaganda.

[Alfie]

Cleveland; independent evidence of the opened windows
Luz; no independent evidence of an open window
Cleveland; evidence showing child being taken away.
Luz; no evidence showing child being taken away.
Cleveland; offender seen 'casing the joint'
Luz; 'casing of the joint' suggested, but not proved.

Still, they're very similar, right? Wrong.

Everything that happened in one case could equally plausibly have happened in the other with or without evidence to support it.  Now tell me why not.

[Alice Purjorick]

Let's talk about propaganda.

Some time ago the OFM Facebook webmaster posted a piece of research by a young lady called Erin Buckels about trolling. I contacted Miss Buckels and asked her if she knew that her research was being used to discredit questioners of the McCanns. She promptly sent back an email saying that not only did asking questions 'not fit the standard definition
of trolling' but sounded more like 'cyber-activism' to her. She went on to say that in general she did not support censorship and did not think it was appropriate to censor comments like the ones desribed and that you should not
label someone a troll just because they have a dissenting viewpoint.

I contacted the webmaster and informed her of Miss Buckel's email and comments and that I would make those comments public if she did not withdraw the thread. It was immediately withdrawn.

Now that's propaganda.

Incomplete research by Huddersfield University is being used by the tabloids and even by some on this forum to similar ends...

[faithlilly]

Incomplete research by Huddersfield University is being used by the tabloids and even by some on this forum to similar ends...

Indeed Alice. It would appear that particular academic has a somewhat different agenda. It will be interesting to see his take on the supporters.

[Robittybob1]

Nothing you have come up with shows the Mccann's apartment was watched in pre-planning a burglary or otherwise.

In fact if someone had been watching during the day and checked, they would have known the apartment was locked.

I presume that salient fact has occurred to you.

Not an issue if they had a key to the apartment.

[stephen25000]

Not an issue if they had a key to the apartment.

You assume such a person or persons existed.

[Robittybob1]

You assume such a person or persons existed.

There was an if in my sentence, if the person with the key existed and if they had a key, if you think it is necessary to have the two ifs listed in full.

[stephen25000]

There was an if in my sentence, if the person with the key existed and if they had a key, if you think it is necessary to have the two ifs listed in full.

So you by the same token have to accept the possibility of accidental death in the apartment.

[Robittybob1]

So you by the same token have to accept the possibility of accidental death in the apartment.

I do and you should know that.  But who caused the accident and who was aware of it?  If the McCanns were not aware there had been an accident what happens then?  Could the bungling burglar have caused an accidental death?  Or another of the checkers?

[stephen25000]

I do and you should know that.  But who caused the accident and who was aware of it?  If the McCanns were not aware there had been an accident what happens then?  Could the bungling burglar have caused a accidental death?  Or another of the checkers?

'Could the bungling burglar...' ?

That sounds like an assumption. Certainly not proven.

[Robittybob1]

'Could the bungling burglar...' ?

That sounds like an assumption. Certainly not proven.

The whole thing is still in the realms of possibilities.  Nothing is proven as yet.