Was stranger abduction unlikely due to the checking regime?

[Brietta]

Cleveland; independent evidence of the opened windows
Luz; no independent evidence of an open window
Cleveland; evidence showing child being taken away.
Luz; no evidence showing child being taken away.
Cleveland; offender seen 'casing the joint'
Luz; 'casing of the joint' suggested, but not proved.

Still, they're very similar, right? Wrong.

Without the benefit of CCTV footage in Cleveland the police would have had nothing to go on ... not even a timeline of any sort because the parents and siblings were asleep throughout.

The first they would have know about the 'evidence of absence' would have been in the morning when the family woke up.

If a window had been left open ... no-one in residence could have 'proved' they didn't open it.

No-one could have 'proved' where they were while everyone else slept, or what they did during the night.

There would have been nothing to witness the Cleveland child being carried way from the scene.

Therefore the Cleveland abduction runs exactly parallel with Praia da Luz with the exception that in Cleveland there was CCTV recording the event.

[G-Unit]

Without the benefit of CCTV footage in Cleveland the police would have had nothing to go on ... not even a timeline of any sort because the parents and siblings were asleep throughout.

The first they would have know about the 'evidence of absence' would have been in the morning when the family woke up.

If a window had been left open ... no-one in residence could have 'proved' they didn't open it.

No-one could have 'proved' where they were while everyone else slept, or what they did during the night.

There would have been nothing to witness the Cleveland child being carried way from the scene.

Therefore the Cleveland abduction runs exactly parallel with Praia da Luz with the exception that in Cleveland there was CCTV recording the event.

It still has nothing to tell us about Luz. We know an abduction could have happened without being told about one in Cleveland.

[Robittybob1]

It still has nothing to tell us about Luz. We know an abduction could have happened without being told about one in Cleveland.

Interesting how similar they could be.

[slartibartfast]

It still has nothing to tell us about Luz. We know an abduction could have happened without being told about one in Cleveland.

Try to draw comparisons between a holiday resort on the Algarve and a small town in rural Ohio including the reasons for people "hanging around" is tenuous at best.

[Alfie]

Try to draw comparisons between a holiday resort on the Algarve and a small town in rural Ohio including the reasons for people "hanging around" is tenuous at best.

What would you say were the key differences then that invalidate the comparison?

[Alfie]

Imagine a news report about a family in Cleveland.  The parents leave their kids unattended to eat next door.  When they return home after periodic checks they find their eldest child missing.  Later it turns out the parents had been drugging the kids, one of them died falling off the balcony and the parents hatched an abduction plot.  Not relevant to this case though right?  No sceptic would have referenced it on this forum I guess right?

[Robittybob1]

Imagine a news report about a family in Cleveland.  The parents leave their kids unattended to eat next door.  When they return home after periodic checks they find their eldest child missing.  Later it turns out the parents had been drugging the kids, one of them died falling off the balcony and the parents hatched an abduction plot.  Not relevant to this case though right?  No sceptic would have referenced it on this forum I guess right?

That would be too similar.

[G-Unit]

Interesting how similar they could be.

Or how different they could be.

[Alice Purjorick]

Or how different they could be.

Praia da Luz a rather small tourist resort on the Algarve with a population of 3500 plus  transients.
Cleveland Ohio a bloody great and important port on the Great Lakes shipping runs with a population of around 400,000.
Amazingly similar.

[Brietta]

It still has nothing to tell us about Luz. We know an abduction could have happened without being told about one in Cleveland.

The innuendo and misunderstanding of Praia da Luz couldn't have happened in Cleveland for the simple reason that in Cleveland each step of the abduction had been captured on camera from inception and planning through to removal of the child who was carried from the scene.

Because there was no CCTV covering the McCann apartment the Portuguese police did not have the advantage the Cleveland police enjoyed.  The fact that it took them seven months to track down a suspect in the case is an indication of how difficult it is to investigate a stranger abduction, despite CCTV footage of an escape vehicle being to hand.

Your claim that "We know an abduction could have happened" is not true of everyone who chooses to comment about Madeleine McCann's case.
In particular it is not true of Amaral.  Who has assured that his version of events ~ or a variation thereof ~ is the one preferred by those who spend a lot of their 'me' time posting their opprobrium about Madeleine's parents wherever they can.

[Brietta]

Praia da Luz a rather small tourist resort on the Algarve with a population of 3500 plus  transients.
Cleveland Ohio a bloody great and important port on the Great Lakes shipping runs with a population of around 400,000.
Amazingly similar.

We truly have moved into the world of reality TV big-style.

If it doesn't happen live on TV it is not happening at all.  The Cleveland child's disappearance happened in front of a TV camera ... Madeleine's did not.

The fact it did not ~ really is not an argument that the abduction did not happen.

[stephen25000]

We truly have moved into the world of reality TV big-style.

If it doesn't happen live on TV it is not happening at all.  The Cleveland child's disappearance happened in front of a TV camera ... Madeleine's did not.

The fact it did not ~ really is not an argument that the abduction did not happen.

...........................and not one iota of real proof that  an abduction occurred in this case.

[Alice Purjorick]

We truly have moved into the world of reality TV big-style.

If it doesn't happen live on TV it is not happening at all.  The Cleveland child's disappearance happened in front of a TV camera ... Madeleine's did not.

The fact it did not ~ really is not an argument that the abduction did not happen.

Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why?
WTF has reality TV to do with anything? I don't recall mentioning it or even alluding to it.
The question you should perhaps address is "did the abduction occur?". As it sits at present in the case of MM abduction can be neither proved nor disproved......roughly where it sat nine to ten years ago.
CCTV in a bloody great Great Lakes port not withstanding. Next week it will something else somewhere else.

[Brietta]

...........................and not one iota of real proof that  an abduction occurred in this case.

It seems that it might have been established that an abductor opening windows from within for no known reason seems to be part of the modus operandi.  It might be worth asking the question at some time in the future ... it is so seldom we have a masterclass in stranger abduction for reference.
Worth learning from it I think.

[Brietta]

Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why?
WTF has reality TV to do with anything? I don't recall mentioning it or even alluding to it.
The question you should perhaps address is "did the abduction occur?". As it sits at present in the case of MM abduction can be neither proved nor disproved......roughly where it sat nine to ten years ago.
CCTV in a bloody great Great Lakes port not withstanding. Next week it will something else somewhere else.

Hmmm ... what an intemperate post.  Perhaps that is the "why" of the question you might address to yourself.