One enduring myth.

[Alice Purjorick]

Which is the worse crime - mockng the disabled  or using a mobile phone while driving?  Another ridiculous question.  Let's ask loads of ridiculous questions as no one gives a stuff about the topic of this thread anymore.

Maybe your OP and overbearing attitude that it is your ball and your game has had some influence on the reaction to it?
eg "so does this detail not matter to the "seekers of truth" and are they happy for the people they are seemingly trying to educate about this case to continue to believe this myth is a fact?  If so, why?"
Something of a gross assumption that deserved a well rounded raspberry. IMO of course.
Take yer ball 'ome then mate we'll play something else.

[Alfie]

Out of interest, how many times does Kate McCann refer to her children as "a pain in the arse " in her book? 

[faithlilly]

You see I wouldn't ask you such an insulting question. You say you know nothing about me but on this very thread I mention my experiences as a mother and grandmother. You obviously have not read all of the thread.
I was not the only poster who has commented on the phrase being a pain in the a~~e being applied to a crying distressed baby being disgusting. Why put your ridiculous insulting question to only me. Start a poll and I will vote and comment.

You are right I haven't read all the thread, I value my time. I know nothing about you and I don't think I need to to ask the question I did. It was a straightforward question but if you don't want to answer it, as I have said before, that's fine. No problem.

[ferryman]

So why didn't K&G simply think, Madeleine has got colic, no real treatment, she'll grow out of it?

P29.  How Kate and Gerry suffered.  Tough on Madeleine.

Introduction

Colic is the name for excessive, frequent crying in a baby who appears to be otherwise healthy. It's a common problem that affects up to one in five babies.
Colic tends to begin when a baby is a few weeks old. It normally stops by four months of age, or by six months at the latest.
Looking after a colicky baby can be very frustrating and distressing, but the problem will eventually pass and is usually nothing to worry about.
Does my baby have colic?
Signs and symptoms of colic include:
intense crying bouts
crying in the late afternoon or evening that lasts several hours
your baby's face being red and flushed when they cry
your baby clenching their fists, drawing their knees up to their tummy, or arching their back while crying
If your baby has colic, they may appear to be in distress. But the crying outbursts are not harmful, and your baby should continue to feed and gain weight normally.
Advice for parents
Caring for a baby with colic can be very difficult for parents, particularly first-time parents. It's important to remember that:
your baby's colic is not your fault – it doesn't mean your baby is unwell, you're doing something wrong, or your baby is rejecting you
your baby will get better eventually – colic normally stops before they're four to six months old
you should look after your own wellbeing – if possible, ask friends and family for support as it's important to take regular breaks and get some rest
Support groups, such as Cry-sis, can also offer help and advice if you need it. You can contact the Cry-sis helpline for advice on 0845 122 8669 (9am-10pm, seven days a week).
Tips for helping your baby
There's no method that works for all babies with colic, but there are a number of techniques that may help. These include:
holding your baby during a crying episode
preventing your baby swallowing air by sitting or holding them upright during feeding
burping your baby after feeds
gently rocking your baby over your shoulder
bathing your baby in a warm bath
gently massaging your baby's tummy
Some babies may also benefit from changes to their diet, such as adding drops to breast or bottle milk that aid digestion and release any bubbles of trapped air in your baby's digestive system.
Speak to a GP or pharmacist for advice before trying these.
Read more about treatments for colic.
Do I need to see my GP?
Colic may improve using the techniques mentioned above. You can also ask your health visitor for their advice.
See your GP if you're concerned about your baby, or if nothing seems to be working and you're struggling to cope.
Your GP can check for possible causes of your baby's crying, such as eczema or gastro-oesophageal reflux disease (GORD). GORD is a condition where stomach acid moves back out of the stomach and into the gullet (oesophagus).
If no other cause of your baby's symptoms can be found, your GP can advise you about the things you can do to help your baby, including what treatments are available.
When to seek immediate medical advice
You should get medical help immediately if your baby:
has a weak, high-pitched, or continuous cry
seems floppy when you pick them up
isn't feeding
vomits green fluid
has blood in their poo
has a fever of 38C or above (if they're less than three months old) or 39C or above (if they're three to six months old)
has a bulging fontanelle (the soft spot at the top of a baby's head)
has a fit (seizure)
turns blue, blotchy, or very pale
has breathing problems, such as breathing quickly or grunting while breathing
These symptoms can indicate a more serious problem. Read about spotting signs of serious illness in children for information about what to look for and where you should go for help.
What causes colic?
The cause or causes of colic are unknown, but a number of theories have been suggested. These include indigestion, trapped wind, or a temporary gut sensitivity to certain proteins and sugars found in breast and formula milk.
It has also been suggested colic may just be at the extreme end of normal crying in babies.
Colic occurs equally in boys and girls, and both in babies who are breastfed and those who are bottle-fed.
Other types of colic
This article focuses on infantile or baby colic. Other types of colic include:
biliary colic – caused by gallstones
renal colic – caused by kidney stones
The main symptom of these types of colic is sudden, intense abdominal (tummy) pain.

I would suggest that the symptoms described could be indicative of all sorts of other things, perhaps serious and perhaps in need of urgent medical attention.

Kate (very properly) checked them all and eliminated the list.

Imagine the outcry (from others) if Madeleine's symptoms had been indicative of something serious she simply missed.

[Mr Gray]

I would suggest that the symptoms described could be indicative of all sorts of other things, perhaps serious and perhaps in need of urgent medical attention.

Kate (very properly) checked them all and eliminated the list.

Imagine the outcry (from others) if Madeleine's symptoms had been indicative of something serious she simply missed.

sil seems to be confusing colic and wind

[G-Unit]

Anyone who refers to their baby as a pain in the arse because they are ill is a potential child abuser.....babies who are ill should be cared for....not abused

I don't think there's a proven connection, unless you have some 'scientific' study you can quote? 'Colic' is unexplained crying for more than three hours a day, more than three days a week. No-one knows what causes it or how to treat it. Can it be called an illness? I think not.

Because colic isn't a disease, but rather a behavioral pattern of excessive crying, the diagnosis is very subjective.....Some doctors avoid the term altogether, feeling like it is a label that is too ambiguous and fraught with misconceptions. Other doctors favor more descriptive terms like "high-needs baby" or "immature nervous system." Ask five different doctors to describe what colic is and you'll undoubtedly get five different answers.
http://www.parents.com/baby/care/colic/handling-baby-colic/

[Alfie]

So - Madeleine may or may not have had colic, which may or may not even exist.  Kate, a doctor, claims she did, but is this just another cunning ruse to throw us off the scent?  &%+((£

All extremely mysterious I must say. 

Thanks all for including this fascinating information in the thread which I propose we re-name "Any Old Shit You Fancy Arguing About While John Is Busy With His Lambs".

[ShiningInLuz]

you still dont understand
colic can be simple and easily treated or it can be very severe and difficult to treat....its cause is poorly understood...

you seem to be confusing colic with wind

p29 "Madeleine suffered from colic."  The opening sentence of chapter 3, "A Family Of Five".

Perhaps you think Kate is so poor as to misdiagnose wind as colic?

If you keep avoiding reply 87 and pages 29-31 of Kate's book, you are going to keep getting it wrong.

[ShiningInLuz]

I would suggest that the symptoms described could be indicative of all sorts of other things, perhaps serious and perhaps in need of urgent medical attention.

Kate (very properly) checked them all and eliminated the list.

Imagine the outcry (from others) if Madeleine's symptoms had been indicative of something serious she simply missed.

I have but 2 problems with this. 

1 Kate's book makes no mention of checking this lot out but instead states their 'checklist' was rudimentary, so if you want to claim this, provide a cite.
2 AFAIK Diagnosis of potentially severe conditions in relatives is highly frowned on, and the accepted practice is independent medical advice.

You are digging much the same hole as 'twins might have been drugged but Kate didn't bother re independent checks'.

[ShiningInLuz]

sil seems to be confusing colic and wind

Davel seems unable to read the opening sentence in chapter 3 of Kate's book, which is but 4 words long.

"Madeleine suffered from colic."  According to Kate.   

[Robittybob1]

Davel seems unable to read the opening sentence in chapter 3 of Kate's book, which is but 4 words long.

"Madeleine suffered from colic."  According to Kate.   

Well that is what it says.  Poor little girl.  I wonder what that colic business is all about?

[Mr Gray]

p29 "Madeleine suffered from colic."  The opening sentence of chapter 3, "A Family Of Five".

Perhaps you think Kate is so poor as to misdiagnose wind as colic?

If you keep avoiding reply 87 and pages 29-31 of Kate's book, you are going to keep getting it wrong.

I have replied to 87
That's the post where you refer to Maddie as a pain in the arse
Absolutely despicable
Read this carefully so you understand
Maddie suffered with colic
Colic can be simple and easily dealt with or severe and impossible to solve
When it's severe it is a nightmare
You need to educate yourself before making sweeping statements

[stephen25000]

I have replied to 87
That's the post where you refer to Maddie as a pain in the arse
Absolutely despicable
Read this carefully so you understand
Maddie suffered with colic
Colic can be simple and easily dealt with or severe and impossible to solve
When it's severe it is a nightmare
You need to educate yourself before making sweeping statements

When have you dealt with colic ?

[Mr Gray]

When have you dealt with colic ?

Stupid question

[stephen25000]

Stupid question

Hardly.

You were caught by Alice googling the other day.