One enduring myth.

[ShiningInLuz]

well obviously you have a superior knowledge of medicine than Kate or Gerry....or think you do

If two qualified doctors struggled to recognise colic or realise that there is little way to treat it then they are about as thick as two short planks.  It would hardly reflect well on their intelligence or their medical skills.

If such be the case.

[Alice Purjorick]

when you "recognise" colic do you rule out.....

Differential Diagnoses
Bronchiolitis
Emergent Management of Acute Otitis Media
 Bacterial Meningitis
Intussusception
Pediatric Aseptic Meningitis
Pediatric Gastroesophageal Reflux
Pediatric Pneumonia
Protein Intolerance
Soy Protein Intolerance

this is only a partial list....I think you should stick to being an amateur detective rather than an amateur doctor...you will cause less harm as the former

"You just keep thinking Googling Butch, thats what your good at".

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/927760-differential

[Robittybob1]

when you "recognise" colic do you rule out.....

Differential Diagnoses
Bronchiolitis
Emergent Management of Acute Otitis Media
 Bacterial Meningitis
Intussusception
Pediatric Aseptic Meningitis
Pediatric Gastroesophageal Reflux
Pediatric Pneumonia
Protein Intolerance
Soy Protein Intolerance

this is only a partial list....I think you should stick to being an amateur detective rather than an amateur doctor...you will cause less harm as the former

You'd be lucky to get a doctor to do this all in one session too.

[ShiningInLuz]

when you "recognise" colic do you rule out.....

Differential Diagnoses
Bronchiolitis
Emergent Management of Acute Otitis Media
 Bacterial Meningitis
Intussusception
Pediatric Aseptic Meningitis
Pediatric Gastroesophageal Reflux
Pediatric Pneumonia
Protein Intolerance
Soy Protein Intolerance

this is only a partial list....I think you should stick to being an amateur detective rather than an amateur doctor...you will cause less harm as the former

So did the McCanns take Madeleine to a qualified independent medical source so that these alternatives could be ruled out?

Or suggesting the twins might have been sedated, did they take the twins to a qualified independent medical source so this could be tested?

[stephen25000]

"You just keep thinking Googling Butch, thats what your good at".

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/927760-differential

Nice one.

[Alfie]

I've addressed it. Pamela Fenn was the witness above.

"The tone of the crying seemed to be a young child and not a baby of two years of age or younger. Apart from the crying that continued for approximately one hour and fifteen minutes, and which got louder and more expressive, the child shouted 'Daddy, Daddy', the witness had no doubt that the noise came from the floor below."
"She also said that she never told the McCann's that she had heard their daughter crying previously on 1st May because she thought it would just increase their suffering."
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PAMELA_FENN.htm

Relevance to this thread please?

[Alfie]

I do believe we are dancing around this quote from your OP.

"that the McCanns drugged their children"

Hopefully, I have not ended up in yet another doggies+Grime thread.  My life is ticking away relentlessly.   

And an alleged failure to recognise colic (no actual cite produced btw) has precisely what to do with the enduring myth of sedating their children and the reluctance of McCann critics to admit it is unproven so not a fact?

[ShiningInLuz]

And an alleged failure to recognise colic (no actual cite produced btw) has precisely what to do with the enduring myth of sedating their children and the reluctance of McCann critics to admit it is unproven so not a fact?

How many times do I have to say page 29?

[Alfie]

How many times do I have to say page 29?

You can say it a million times if you like.  I don't currently have access to the book so your page number  tells me sweet fa.

[ferryman]

Page 29?

Kate describing her distress at witnessing the distress of her daughter, suffering from a common (and distressing!) but not generally dangerous childhood malady. 

[Alfie]

What the recent Twitter storms have demonstrated is that there is one enduring myth in the Madeleine McCann saga that seems to have become a fact in the eyes of McCann denigrators - that the McCanns drugged their children.  I don't ever see "Truthseekers" on the sceptic side of the argument correcting this myth by pointing out that their is no evidence that the McCanns drugged their kids, so does this detail not matter to the "seekers of truth" and are they happy for the people they are seemingly trying to educate about this case to continue to believe this myth is a fact?  If so, why?

30

A reminder that this post is nothing to do with the McCanns' alleged inability to diagnose colic, nor to Madeleine allegedly shouting the house down on Tuesday night.

[ferryman]

You can say it a million times if you like.  I don't currently have access to the book so your page number  tells me sweet fa.

An extract from that page that, I think, reflects the greatest emphasis Kate places on the effect of Madeleine's condition on her (Kate!)

It's hard to remember how I managed when I look back and picture myself buttering ... toast with one hand (I am very bad at going without food), holding Madeleine in the other arm and never being able to answer the phone or even go to the toilet unaccompanied.

The rest of that page describes Kate's distress at witnessing Madeleine's distress, and particularly being unable to do anything to alleviate it.

Later on in the book, Kate describes a glorious, breakthrough moment when the McCanns, on holiday, put Madeleine down to sleep one night and she slept right through: the signal of the end of Madeleine's childhood colic.

I'm at a loss to understand what anyone is reading in to it remotely relevant to events of PdL.

[ShiningInLuz]

Page 29?

Kate describing her distress at witnessing the distress of her daughter, suffering from a common (and distressing!) but not generally dangerous childhood malady.

Would the supporters kindly make up their collective mind?

Either Madeleine had colic, a not uncommon occurrence, which doctors should have recognised and known it would pass.

Or she was up for grabs for umpty nasty alternatives as Googled by Davel, in which case she should have had independent qualified medical testing.

Or she was a pain in the a**e, whom Kate wanted to unload onto Gerry as soon as he walked through the door, so that Kate could have a pee break and give her arm a rest.

[Mr Gray]

Would the supporters kindly make up their collective mind?

Either Madeleine had colic, a not uncommon occurrence, which doctors should have recognised and known it would pass.

Or she was up for grabs for umpty nasty alternatives as Googled by Davel, in which case she should have had independent qualified medical testing.

Or she was a pain in the a**e, whom Kate wanted to unload onto Gerry as soon as he walked through the door, so that Kate could have a pee break and give her arm a rest.

What a nasty third paragraph.....Maddie almost certainly had simple colic but.....unlike you the MCcanns would have wanted to try and find out what was causing it as there are a multitude of causes. My daughter found that stopping all dairy products solved it but the McCanns nmy have tried everything without success. Even though they knew it would pass it would be good if the cause could be found...sometimes it simply can't be and this seems to be the case in maddie's case. Your reasoning is very simplistic and shows a complete lack of knowledge of the causes and treatments of infant colic

[ShiningInLuz]

What a nasty third paragraph.....Maddie almost certainly had simple colic but.....unlike you the MCcanns would have wanted to try and find out what was causing it as there are a multitude of causes. My daughter found that stopping all dairy products solved it but the McCanns nmy have tried everything without success. Even though they knew it would pass it would be good if the cause could be found...sometimes it simply can't be and this seems to be the case in maddie's case. Your reasoning is very simplistic and shows a complete lack of knowledge of the causes and treatments of infant colic

It is a nasty 3rd paragraph, isn't it.  So where did I get that?  That would be P30 of 'madeleine'.

"Poor Gerry would arrive home from work and would hardly have a foot over the threshold before he was handed a roaring bundle while I went upstairs for a loo break, a scream-free moment and a chance to regain the use of my arms."

Two doctors struggling with a simple case of colic?