Top Three Reasons Why You Believe JB Guilty Or Innocent

[Holly Goodhead]

So with that injury he managed to turn and go back down the stairs, in a straight line, to the kitchen, without leaving any blood evidence anywhere?

NB sustained his lip and jaw gsw's on the landing stairs.  Two small spots of blood were found on the landing but when tested inconclusive. 

AE's WS's and DCI Jones' notebook confirm bloodstaining was found on the stairs but for whatever reason(s) this wasn't tested.  But since there's no evidence any of the other victims left the rooms they sustained gsw's in and were subsequently found dead in I think we can safely assume the blood originated from NB.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1053.0;attach=3100

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There's no evidence of blood leading out of the main bedroom as per attached soc photos.  Why?  Because NB WASN'T shot in the bedroom.

[Holly Goodhead]

She stands in the same position to shoot both, the bedroom doorway.
She knows Nevill is coming and has the gun ready, aimed where he will appear first. He is leaning somewhat forward in the manner people climbing stairs rapidly do. She fires two very quick shots, success, she hits the target and Nevill turns. She emptys the cartridge with porrly aimed shots, she was trying to hit his back but gets the arm.

A quote from CAL

 "There are countless instances where the police themselves have fired at somebody and if you get even a third of the shots hitting the target, that’s something. Yet this young woman was alleged to have fired twenty-five shots with the rifle, re-loaded it twice and hit her target every time."

An argument from incredulity, yet three of her victims were asleep, and I have just explained her markmanship with Nevill before he also became a sitting duck in the coal scuttle.

The distance of shots makes accuracy irrelevant:

http://www.homepage-link.to/justice/judgements/Bamber/index.html

63. Of the seven injuries suffered by June Bamber, five were shots from the gun held at least one foot away from the body. The bullet wound between the eyes was fired from less than one foot away, and could have been with the gun in contact with the skin, although he viewed that as unlikely. Mr Fletcher was unable to estimate the range of the shot which had caused the injury to the right side of Mrs Bamber's chest.

64. In respect of the eight shots into Nevill Bamber's body, the six to his head and face were fired when the rifle was within a few inches of the skin. The remaining injuries to the arm were caused when the gun was at least two feet from the body.

65. As regards the twins, four of the five injuries suffered by Daniel were caused when the gun was held within one foot of his head, the fifth was from over two feet away. The three wounds to Nicholas were contact or close proximity shots.

[John]

I thought we all agreed she would never shoot her family. All Nevill knew was she headed upstairs with the gun. The rest is Harry hindsight, she did use it. Nevill should have rushed after her and grabbed it, but he decided to trust she would not actually use it, and he called for negotiating assistance from his loving son.

If Nevill had encountered Sheila having an episode and waving a rifle in a threatening manner he would have taken it off her straight away.  The suggestion that after seeing her he casually rang Jeremy is bonkers imo.  In any event, had she gone upstairs and fired the rifle Nevill would have heard it and reported it to Jeremy who in turn would have told police. Alternatively, he would have heard the shots for himself over the phone and told the police.  In the event Jeremy never mentioned shots because none of this ever happened.

[APRIL]

I thought we all agreed she would never shoot her family. All Nevill knew was she headed upstairs with the gun. The rest is Harry hindsight, she did use it. Nevill should have rushed after her and grabbed it, but he decided to trust she would not actually use it, and he called for negotiating assistance from his loving son.

And I'd thought that Jeremy was Nevill's only son?

[Angelo222]

I thought we all agreed she would never shoot her family. All Nevill knew was she headed upstairs with the gun. The rest is Harry hindsight, she did use it. Nevill should have rushed after her and grabbed it, but he decided to trust she would not actually use it, and he called for negotiating assistance from his loving son.

None of which would ever happen in the real world.

[Samson]

None of which would ever happen in the real world.

I have asked a few women if they would agree to be shot lying down beside their mother who had just been murdered. No luck yet but the real world research continues.

[APRIL]

I have asked a few women if they would agree to be shot lying down beside their mother who had just been murdered. No luck yet but the real world research continues.

If Sheila had been asked, you'd VERY likely have had the same response. However, if you widen the question to form a threat, ie "If you don't do as I say I'll shoot the boys" the response would probably have been rather different. In the real world, mothers are keen to protect their children.

[adam]

I have asked a few women if they would agree to be shot lying down beside their mother who had just been murdered. No luck yet but the real world research continues.

Sheila was on Haloperidol. So unaware of what was happening., and unable to put up any resistance if she was.

[John]

Sheila was on Haloperidol. So unaware of what was happening, and unable to put up any resistance if she was.

She was the perfect scapegoat.

[Samson]

Sheila was on Haloperidol. So unaware of what was happening., and unable to put up any resistance if she was.

And Bamber was clinically skilled enough to expect compliance without touching her?
This problem only goes away for the Harry hindsighters who say Look it Worked.
That is a vastly different thing to expecting it to work. Remember, one out of line bullet and you get life without parole. Woops, now where am I going with this.....

[adam]

And Bamber was clinically skilled enough to expect compliance without touching her?
This problem only goes away for the Harry hindsighters who say Look it Worked.
That is a vastly different thing to expecting it to work. Remember, one out of line bullet and you get life without parole. Woops, now where am I going with this.....

He may have touched  her. That would not have incriminated him.

[Holly Goodhead]

Sheila was on Haloperidol. So unaware of what was happening., and unable to put up any resistance if she was.

According to Dr Vanezis he was advised by FSS traces of Haloperidol were found:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=199.0;attach=698

The lab recorded the amounts in the blood as 15 nanograms per millilitre (and in the liver as 0.55 micrograms per gram). 

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=207.0;attach=750

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[adam]

According to Dr Vanezis he was advised by FSS traces of Haloperidol were found:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=199.0;attach=698

The lab recorded the amounts in the blood as 15 nanograms per millilitre (and in the liver as 0.55 micrograms per gram). 

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=207.0;attach=750

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That is interesting.

This means Sheila could not have committed the massacre and was easy for Bamber to control.

[Holly Goodhead]

That is interesting.

This means Sheila could not have committed the massacre and was easy for Bamber to control.

Does it?  It implies to me that SC had very low levels of Haloperidol in her system amounting to a trace which was unlikely to have any significant antipsychotic benefit. 

[Caroline]

Does it?  It implies to me that SC had very low levels of Haloperidol in her system amounting to a trace which was unlikely to have any significant antipsychotic benefit.

How do you make that out? 15 nanograms per millimetre is a moderate level not a low level. http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abstract/495707