Top Three Reasons Why You Believe JB Guilty Or Innocent

[adam]

Does it?  It implies to me that SC had very low levels of Haloperidol in her system amounting to a trace which was unlikely to have any significant antipsychotic benefit.

How do you know it was a low level ?

All the evidence on the night from PB, Bamber & indirectly from Sheila & June shows Sheila was drowsy, tired & weak.

[Holly Goodhead]

How do you make that out?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8016.msg395369#msg395369

Maybe I'm misinterpreting but the above sound very small amounts? 

[Holly Goodhead]

How do you know it was a low level ?

All the evidence on the night from PB, Bamber & indirectly from Sheila & June shows Sheila was drowsy, tired & weak.

My interpretation of the expert evidence is that the amounts identified in SC's blood were low but I'm not a chemist/toxicologist so I might be wrong!   

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8016.msg395369#msg395369

I thought witnesses referred to SC as uncommunicative and lacking interest?  Who said anything about drowsy, tired and weak other than Steve_uk?

[Holly Goodhead]

How do you make that out? 15 nanograms per millimetre is a moderate level not a low level. http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abstract/495707

The article refers to plasma not blood.

[adam]

My interpretation of the expert evidence is that the amounts identified in SC's blood were low but I'm not a chemist/toxicologist so I might be wrong!   

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8016.msg395369#msg395369

I thought witnesses referred to SC as uncommunicative and lacking interest?  Who said anything about drowsy, tired and weak other than Steve_uk?

She was on a moderate amount of Haloperidol. Not responding to alledged fostering conversations & just saying 'yes' & 'no' for 3 - 4 minutes on the phone suggests she was tired, drowsy & weak. And, according to June 'off to bed'.

[Holly Goodhead]

She was on a moderate amount of Haloperidol. Not responding to alledged fostering conversations & just saying 'yes' & 'no' for 3 - 4 minutes on the phone suggests she was tired, drowsy & weak. And, according to June 'off to bed'.

It is irrelevant what SC was on ie her dosage.  What's important is determining the level of haloperidol in her biological system and understanding its effect. 

General unresponsiveness could mean anything.

[Myster]

The article refers to plasma not blood.

Read the title... in that instance it means the same thing. Measurements are made with the liquid part of the blood - plasma, about 55%, not the solid part - red cells, white cells and platelets, about 45%.

[Caroline]

My interpretation of the expert evidence is that the amounts identified in SC's blood were low but I'm not a chemist/toxicologist so I might be wrong!   

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8016.msg395369#msg395369

I thought witnesses referred to SC as uncommunicative and lacking interest?  Who said anything about drowsy, tired and weak other than Steve_uk?

It's a moderate amount, certainly not low.

[Holly Goodhead]

It's a moderate amount, certainly not low.

If the article you posted is correct 15ng/1ml (SC's level of haloperidol as per toxicology tests) is very much on the low side of moderate   

Haloperidol detected in SC's blood as per toxicology tests - 15 nanograms of Haloperidol per millilitre of blood.

Low dose = 2 - 13 nanograms of Haloperidol per 1 millilitre of blood

Med dose = 13.1 - 24 nanograms of Haloperidol per 1 millilitre of blood

High dose = 24.1 - 35 nanograms of Haloperidol per 1 millilitre of blood

[steve_trousers]

Guilty.


1) Sealed his own fate after the event with insistence on Nevill's phone call on the night. Regardless of whether it took place or not (though he had no reason to lie about it if he's innocent) and combined with the forensic and physical evidence left at the scene. Here is the smoking gun in this case.

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[Caroline]

If the article you posted is correct 15ng/1ml (SC's level of haloperidol as per toxicology tests) is very much on the low side of moderate   

Haloperidol detected in SC's blood as per toxicology tests - 15 nanograms of Haloperidol per millilitre of blood.

Low dose = 2 - 13 nanograms of Haloperidol per 1 millilitre of blood

Med dose = 13.1 - 24 nanograms of Haloperidol per 1 millilitre of blood

High dose = 24.1 - 35 nanograms of Haloperidol per 1 millilitre of blood

But still moderate and so she was still medicated. I know it's a stumbling block but one you can't deny.

[Holly Goodhead]

But still moderate and so she was still medicated. I know it's a stumbling block but one you can't deny.

A stumbling block for whom and in what way?