The Earlier Reports Made about the case

[nina]

I do not understand what you are trying to draw me into....  I feel i can only Interpret what Dr Vincent Tabak meant when he said he felt responsible.....

As I was not privy to the Interviews he had with the Police or his Defence Council... There is a lot of Information missing......

I believe the information that I have written on this site, gives a good insight into how OFF this case was... And having to revert to tricks to put the Dutchman away.....

If that was not the case then we would have had 'Solid Evidence " presented in court proving what Dr vincent Tabak was saying on the stand was true.....(IMO)....

A debate perhaps? Sigh.

[nina]

And I'll ask you again, what reason would VT have to throw away his life?

[nina]

Exactly Nina..... why would he go and kill his next door neighbour he didn't know within 3 days of being back in the country......

Doesn't seem like the sort of thing someone as Intelligent as Dr Vincent Tabak would do..... (IMO).....

It is all quite illogical I admit, but he came home from work and killed his neighbour, who he didn't know. But do it he did. He has admitted to this.

You have to remember that not only do most of us have normal logic and hindsight to rely on, VT I suppose had panic and adrenalin to go on.

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It is all quite illogical I admit, but he came home from work and killed his neighbour, who he didn't know. But do it he did. He has admitted to this.

You have to remember that not only do most of us have normal logic and hindsight to rely on, VT I suppose had panic and adrenalin to go on.

[nina]

Why do I always have the feeling that I am some kind of experiment?????

How do you mean?

[mrswah]

The reasons why Vincent Tabak pleaded guilty, ie whether he did so because he was guilty, or for other reasons, is a very interesting and important topic for discussion, whichever "side" one is on.  However, it is not relevant to "The Earlier Reports Made about the Case", so could we continue it on a more appropriate  section of the thread.

Really don't want to be a bossy moderator, but we need to remember that many people reading this thread will not be as familiar with the case as we are, and it is more helpful to everyone if the posts are relevant to the title.  Thanks!

[John]

The reasons why Vincent Tabak pleaded guilty, ie whether he did so because he was guilty, or for other reasons, is a very interesting and important topic for discussion, whichever "side" one is on.  However, it is not relevant to "The Earlier Reports Made about the Case", so could we continue it on a more appropriate  section of the thread.

Really don't want to be a bossy moderator, but we need to remember that many people reading this thread will not be as familiar with the case as we are, and it is more helpful to everyone if the posts are relevant to the title.  Thanks!

Good point mrswah, the reader gets bored quickly if threads become confused.  Just to add, my own view is that he pleaded guilty because he was guilty. He probably hoped he would get 6 to 8 years for accidental killing and be out in 3 or 4 years.

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The reasons why Vincent Tabak pleaded guilty, ie whether he did so because he was guilty, or for other reasons, is a very interesting and important topic for discussion, whichever "side" one is on.  However, it is not relevant to "The Earlier Reports Made about the Case", so could we continue it on a more appropriate  section of the thread.

Really don't want to be a bossy moderator, but we need to remember that many people reading this thread will not be as familiar with the case as we are, and it is more helpful to everyone if the posts are relevant to the title.  Thanks!

Sorry guys that was my fault i didn't mean to put it there .......


Edit ... John could you just remove those posts that I have indicated are in the wrong place.... thanks....  it will tidy up the thread... thanks again..

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I thought it wise to transcribe this as thing go walkies.....

Please watch the video, to put context to transcript... 


Transcript of Rebecca Scott's Interview..............

Everyone that knew Jo, absolutely loved her. She was em, (pause). Just full of life and energy erm, (Pause). she was just really bubbly,the girl has so much life left in her to live really. Erm (pause).. Just has this incredible warmth about her as well..

E.. Even people that didn't really know her but had met her, on a couple of occasions, you know they sort of equally... No not equally..but also devastated as to what's happened to her, she was instantly likeable.

Erm.. (licks lips)..  you know ambitious.. young woman that had done very well for herself, and was at a very happy point in her life as well.

(licks lips).. She was very creative.. person.. erm... (licks lips)..  she part part of...  she loved obviously the sort of outdoors life and she was really into gardening, but she was very arty., and creative so...  (pause)..  you know she......Landscape.... architect, yer it was the perfect career for her to take...

I've seen Jo and Greg together, er on numerous occasions now. And.....y .. you know it's quite obvious how besotted they were with each other.  Erm...  you know... Jo's not someone who will move into an apartment with someone and buy a cat with someone , you know.... on a whim, it was, very clear to everyone that knew her.... her and Greg were the real deal...

(licks lips).. She told me that her and Greg were er.. travelling back to her parents house Christmas eve and we'd arranged to meet in the evening.

(Big Pause).. She phoned me on the Friday ... erm.. I travelled home for Christmas on the Sunday..(gulp).. Erm... It was about 4 O'clock in the morning I woke up. Erm.. (licks lips) And saw that there was a message, on my phone from the police... Er... Informing me that she had gone missing...

Er... Obviously they'd seen on the phone that she'd phoned me. And.. obviously wanted me to get in touch... Erm....  I immediately sort of panicked and phoned Jo...

And Greg... Greg answered the phone....  I knew something was wrong... er I think, we all did.
Erm.. (pause)(licks lips) As soon as I found out her possesions were in the flat, you know , that was it.. I  knew that hadn't left the house of her own intention.

Erm (Deep Breath)... Then it was just a case really of whether she was aliv (I believe she was about to say alive!)...... still alive.... Whether she was being kept alive by someone or if she was dead really. And erm... (licks lips... looks thoughtful)... I think we all were ver.... In denial about the situation as much as we could be , but i think everybody, deep down everyone knew something was wrong... And sh... We all knew Jo and clearly she hadn't left the house of her own accord.

(Pause) It's been hard ter think about anything else since erm.. (pause) Per particularly those first few weeks... I ..I be lucky if I sort of slept (pause) at all really.... Erm.... Erm I think we were all desperate to do everything we could to get her back and erm... Myself and Emma had gone up to Bristol to erm er hand out posters and flyers erm....... (licks lips) And lots of her work colleagues were doing the same, so we all sort of got in contact, best coordinate, the sort of pulled resources and our time.

My parents knew Jo very well and they loved her to bits, erm.. you know obviously they have been concerned about myself as well. And erm.. they were quite keen to try and have some kind of a christmas, the best we could given the circumstances.

Erm..... (licks and purses lips)..
You know what when obviously when.... the the news was on con constantly... as soon as her body was found (someone speaks to her ) Yer Yer through the telly.

Myself and Emma her other close friends have been in regular contact.. Erm.. we obviously had a lot of mutual friends at home, who.. (pause) you know spent time with before attempting to return back to work.

Erm... But.. everybody's gutted... (Pause) As gutted as I was erm.. (Pause).... i knew she wasn't a A missing person she was... she'd been... she was either being held by someone Or had been murdered so.. (Big intake of breath) It was.... it was a relief... (big Pause) to know that she was ..N N N.... No more harm could have come to her (licks lips).

Erm... Well it should be fairly  clear to everyone how desperate her family are, (licks lips)... That justice is...... some, sort of justice can be done.. Erm...... And... obviously if anybody (pause)... that might have information that hasn't yet been in contact with the police. The... I just beg that they might just do that...


Erm... Even if you may not have even seen or...... know anything that you might have noticed a friend or family member acting suspiciously.  Erm.. er er .. obviously P  Please again report that to the police and erm...

I'm sure if that was your friends lying there that had been found on Christmas day ,you would want others to do the same. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_5Kt94oXos


I wonder what body language experts would make of her shaking her head...

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Two Interesting early BBC Reports ...

Police examine CCTV of missing architect
Police are examining CCTV footage for clues following the disappearance of a woman reported missing from her Bristol home five days ago.
Joanna Yeates, 25, was last seen on 17 December after drinks with colleagues in a pub.
Detectives believe she then returned to her flat as receipts from nearby Tesco and Waitrose supermarkets were found there.
The BBC's Andy Moore reports.
23 Dec 2010
 From the section UK

Where is the Waitrose receipt??

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-12065785/police-examine-cctv-of-missing-architect

 Mountain Rescue were out on the 22nd December 2010

Forensics Officers have spent a second day at the Flat, looking for clues, we understood that Joanna's Purse keys and phone were all inside

So on the 21st December Forensic Officers were already working inside the flat...


Image 1:... Trying to understand where that fence is the Forensic Officer is walking past??

Image 2: Why on the 22nd December 2010 are the Police stood outside The Bay Window which is supposed
              to be Dr Vincent Tabak's flat????

I know some don't think the Bay Window is important... But I do.... 


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-12062830/police-search-cliffs-for-missing-architect



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Reports on the 23rd December 2010 say that the last image of Joanna Yeates captured by CCTV was of her going into Waitrose..

Now they already knew about Tesco.... So when did the order of her shops change ???

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-12066099/yeates-family-believe-their-daughter-was-abducted

[mrswah]

Reports on the 23rd December 2010 say that the last image of Joanna Yeates captured by CCTV was of her going into Waitrose..

Now they already knew about Tesco.... So when did the order of her shops change ???

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-12066099/yeates-family-believe-their-daughter-was-abducted

This report has to be wrong:  Tesco express is in Clifton village, and Waitrose is further away. She would have gone to Waitrose first. There is CCTV of her in Tesco, and also in Bargain Booze, as well as in Waitrose.

I hadn't heard about a Waitrose receipt before: I'd always understood that she didn't buy anything there.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-12062830/police-search-cliffs-for-missing-architect

What made the Search and Rescue start looking for Joanna Yeates at the "Stoke Bishop end of the Avon Gorge to The Observatory...??

Why The Observatory ??

Why Stoke Bishop??

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I found this article about Dr Vincent Tabak's appearance in court on the 20th September 2011

Jo Yeates murder suspect Vincent Tabak appears in court
20 September 2011


The man accused of murdering Bristol landscape architect Jo Yeates has appeared in court.
Vincent Tabak, 33, spoke only to confirm his name at the 27-minute pre-trial hearing at Bristol Crown Court.
Miss Yeates's parents David and Teresa attended the hearing, arriving at the court accompanied by two police officers.

Dutch architect Tabak has admitted the manslaughter of 25-year-old Miss Yeates, but denies murdering her.
The charge states that Tabak "unlawfully killed" Miss Yeates in December 2010.

The hearing was held to finalise arrangements for his trial, which is due to begin on 4 October.
The case was adjourned until the trial date and Tabak was remanded in custody.
Tabak lived next to Miss Yeates in the Clifton area of Bristol.

Miss Yeates, who grew up in Ampfield, Hampshire, disappeared on 17 December after going for Christmas drinks with colleagues.
Her snow-covered body was found in Longwood Lane, Failand, by dog walkers on Christmas Day, eight days after she was reported missing.

The charge states that Tabak "unlawfully killed" Miss Yeates in December 2010.

Is that how "Murder Charges" are normally entered into?

It doesn't say anything about a signed statement... He just says his name.... I was surprised tha Mr and Mrs Yeates were there again...

What else happened at that 27 minute hearing??? Did they discuss the porn ??? Did the Yeates hear about the Porn???

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-14990517

[Leonora]

I found this article about Dr Vincent Tabak's appearance in court on the 20th September 2011

The charge states that Tabak "unlawfully killed" Miss Yeates in December 2010.

Is that how "Murder Charges" are normally entered into?

It doesn't say anything about a signed statement... He just says his name.... I was surprised tha Mr and Mrs Yeates were there again...

What else happened at that 27 minute hearing??? Did they discuss the porn ??? Did the Yeates hear about the Porn???

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-14990517

Four security guards escorted Vincent Tabak into the dock of courtroom six at Bristol Crown Court for the pre-trial hearing - his first court appearance in person after his plea to Guilty of Manslaughter had been entered. This hearing had originally been scheduled for July.

The greying 33-year-old defendant wore glasses, a white shirt, blue tie and dark suit for the 30-minute hearing before Judge Martin Picton. The Detective Chief Inspector who led the Avon and Somerset investigation, Phil Jones, sat behind the barristers and immediately in front of the defendant. Vincent Tabak, who sat hunched in the dock, spoke only once. The clerk asked him: “Are you Vincent Tabak?” He replied: “Yes I am.” He was charged with unlawfully killing Joanna Yeates between 16th and 19th December 2010.

Prosecutor Nigel Lickley QC told the court that the trial would include what he called a “digital presentation”, and a site visit by jurors, who would walk the part of the route that Joanna is alleged to have taken on her last Friday evening from the Hophouse pub in Clifton to 44 Canynge Road. He evidently raised 11 points with the defence team, but none of these was disputed.

The defence also agreed to accept the alleged fibre match unconditionally.

Judge Picton had been expecting to see an enhanced defence statement on 19th September 2011. He made an order for it to be submitted by Vincent Tabak’s legal team by 4 p.m. on 23rd September 2011.

This could be one of the occasions when Mr Lickley made a failed application to talk about the porn or the prostitutes. This is believed to be the first time Joanna's parents set eyes on Vincent Tabak in person.