Madeleine parents anguish as Amaral prepares to publish another book.

[ferryman]

According to Amaral his hypothesis was a thesis arrived at by the entire investigative team.  Which makes you wonder why he was ever deemed to be important.
And how so much supposed information was leaked, if not by him, or perhaps his incompetence.

Not actually an accolade for Coordinators, is it.

Another book?  Personally, I don't think he will chance his arm.

Excellent point.

Collective hypothesis.

Collective accountability.

All should go hand-in-glove.

[ShiningInLuz]

Would you not agree that there is (or at least should be) a notion of accountability?

That is to say that even if it can't be proven that Amaral was personally and directly responsible for the leaks on his watch, is it not reasonable that he should be held accountable for them?

In a word, no.

There appears to have been, in 2007, a culture where despite the requirement for judicial secrecy, it was commonplace for the Portuguese police to break bread with journalists and for case details to be discussed.  I am not defending this, merely stating that it seems to have been the norm, or at least, not unusual.

In the McCann case in the OG phase, there seem to have been leaks, and the origin of those leaks seems to have been in the UK.

For example, UK media correctly predicted that there were to be 3 areas dug around Luz, even if they guessed the wrong 3 areas.  Then there was Andy's helicopter trip over Luz, accompanied by a Sky News helicopter.

I am not aware of either 'event' making the Portuguese media.  If they did, kindly correct me because it changes the situation.

If not, the fact that the British media detected this directly suggests OG was leaking.

Expecting Amaral to change a culture on 3 May 2007 is like expecting the Met to cease being racist or sexist overnight.  It is simply an unreasonable expectation.

[Mr Gray]

In a word, no.

There appears to have been, in 2007, a culture where despite the requirement for judicial secrecy, it was commonplace for the Portuguese police to break bread with journalists and for case details to be discussed.  I am not defending this, merely stating that it seems to have been the norm, or at least, not unusual.

In the McCann case in the OG phase, there seem to have been leaks, and the origin of those leaks seems to have been in the UK.

For example, UK media correctly predicted that there were to be 3 areas dug around Luz, even if they guessed the wrong 3 areas.  Then there was Andy's helicopter trip over Luz, accompanied by a Sky News helicopter.

I am not aware of either 'event' making the Portuguese media.  If they did, kindly correct me because it changes the situation.

If not, the fact that the British media detected this directly suggests OG was leaking.

Expecting Amaral to change a culture on 3 May 2007 is like expecting the Met to cease being racist or sexist overnight.  It is simply an unreasonable expectation.

If there was a culture of leaking on amarals watch then as coordinator  it's reaonable to hold him accountable
So yes

[ShiningInLuz]

If there was a culture of leaking on amarals watch then as coordinator  it's reaonable to hold him accountable
So yes

In a word, no.

[Alfie]

In a word, no.

There appears to have been, in 2007, a culture where despite the requirement for judicial secrecy, it was commonplace for the Portuguese police to break bread with journalists and for case details to be discussed.  I am not defending this, merely stating that it seems to have been the norm, or at least, not unusual.

In the McCann case in the OG phase, there seem to have been leaks, and the origin of those leaks seems to have been in the UK.

For example, UK media correctly predicted that there were to be 3 areas dug around Luz, even if they guessed the wrong 3 areas.  Then there was Andy's helicopter trip over Luz, accompanied by a Sky News helicopter.

I am not aware of either 'event' making the Portuguese media.  If they did, kindly correct me because it changes the situation.

If not, the fact that the British media detected this directly suggests OG was leaking.

Expecting Amaral to change a culture on 3 May 2007 is like expecting the Met to cease being racist or sexist overnight.  It is simply an unreasonable expectation.

If individual Met officers are found to have behaved in a racist or sexist manner then I have an expectation that they will be brought to book - is that unreasoable of me?

[Mr Gray]

In a word, no.

I would say yes ...we disagree so no surprise there

[Mr Gray]

If individual Met officers are found to have behaved in a racist or sexist manner then I have an expectation that they will be brought to book - is that unreasoable of me?

thats the whole point....racism is unnacceptable....but leaking like a sieve is part of the culture

[stephen25000]

thats the whole point....racism is unnacceptable....but leaking like a sieve is part of the culture

Just like it is over here, and other countries.

[Mr Gray]

Just like it is over here, and other countries.

and its unnaceptable

[stephen25000]

and its unnaceptable

Nothing special about Portugal.

Perhaps you can advise us on how it can be stopped.

[Miss Taken Identity]

thats the whole point....racism is unnacceptable....but leaking like a sieve is part of the culture

Like the McCanns leaked... 'like sitting in the back garden'  we could see the apartment from where we were sitting' 'it felt safe'   we checked every 15/30 minutes, the 'shutters were jemmied'   ' the abductor came in and took Maddie and went back out the window'  'there is no evidence she came to any harm' 'she could be with a childless couple'  'there is no way she could have opened that gate' 'Jane saw the abductor'

more leaks than a potato and leak soup!  The parents will not be affected with anguish  from another book they will be mortified if it contains things they don't know about, becasue from day 1 they tried to run that investigation in a pedant manner to find out what information was avaliable on them? perhaps becasue they could not arrest anyone  with the information they collated....mmm new book new theory?

[Mr Gray]

Like the McCanns leaked... 'like sitting in the back garden'  we could see the apartment from where we were sitting' 'it felt safe'   we checked every 15/30 minutes, the 'shutters were jemmied'   ' the abductor came in and took Maddie and went back out the window'  'there is no evidence she came to any harm' 'she could be with a childless couple'  'there is no way she could have opened that gate' 'Jane saw the abductor'

more leaks than a potato and leak soup!  The parents will not be affected with anguish  from another book they will be mortified if it contains things they don't know about, becasue from day 1 they tried to run that investigation in a pedant manner to find out what information was avaliable on them? perhaps becasue they could not arrest anyone  with the information they collated....mmm new book new theory?

I would suggest you don't hold your breath waiting for the new book... I won't be offended if you don't take my advice

[ShiningInLuz]

If individual Met officers are found to have behaved in a racist or sexist manner then I have an expectation that they will be brought to book - is that unreasoable of me?

No.

Did you get the part where I said I did not condone this?

Did you get the part where I pointed out OG appears to have been leaking?  Do you think Redwood should be hauled over the coals for this?

[Miss Taken Identity]

No.

Did you get the part where I said I did not condone this?

Did you get the part where I pointed out OG appears to have been leaking?  Do you think Redwood should be hauled over the coals for this?

Maybe the next book will be called the wild goose chase?  all around the world looking for Maddie as if an abductor would parade her in full view of everyone 'looking' for her.... too stupid to comprehend
  *&*%£ *&*%£

[Mr Gray]

No.

Did you get the part where I said I did not condone this?

Did you get the part where I pointed out OG appears to have been leaking?  Do you think Redwood should be hauled over the coals for this?

what evidence do you have that the Met were the source of the leaks......the portuguese would be aware of the digging sites