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Offline Real justice

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3675 on: April 12, 2019, 09:41:38 PM »
Joanna Yeates

It started as a missing person inquiry on December 18, 2010, says Lindsey Lennen, a body fluids and DNA specialist (who, like many forensic scientists, says the work is "all I ever wanted to do"). The team started by examining items from Joanna's home, looking for foreign DNA. Then on Christmas Day, Yeates was found dead, on a country road.

A colleague went down to supervise the removal of her clothing and preserve any body fluids: "The body was frozen, so that was quite tricky." Under the media glare, the work was flat-out: clothing, swabs, suspect's clothing, all analysed and turned round in 48 hours.

"Eventually, we found something," Lennen says. "On swabs and tapes from her breasts, and tapes from three areas of her jeans. There were DNA components that matched one of the suspects, Vincent Tabak." But there wasn't enough, of enough quality, to evaluate – perhaps because of the high salt levels where the body was found, following heavy snowfall.

So the team deployed an LGC technique known as DNA SenCE, which purifies, concentrates and enhances otherwise unusable DNA: "We couldn't say whether the DNA was from saliva, or semen, or even touch. But we could say that the probability of it not being a match with Tabak was less than one in a billion."

With the killer's confession, Lennen's DNA evidence was not further tested. "It happens, in court," she says. "You get called biased, in the police's pay. You have to tell the truth, not stretch what you have. If you don't know which of two alternatives is more likely, you must say so."


Lindsey Lennen was the DNA specialist who worked for LGC forensics.  Angela Gallop was the driving force to setting up LGC, this woman is amazing in her dedication to forensics, she was the instigator to setting private forensic testing  company away from FSS a government owned company who would normally do testing for the prosecution.  This allowed the defence to call on and enable to do their own testing with a private company.  LGC was called upon by the defence and prosecution for testing in various cases and murders over a number of years.  Angela Gallop has a book out called “When theDogs don’t bark”. I read this about two months back, very good read if your interested in forensics.
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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3676 on: April 13, 2019, 08:56:43 AM »
Joanna Yeates

It started as a missing person inquiry on December 18, 2010, says Lindsey Lennen, a body fluids and DNA specialist (who, like many forensic scientists, says the work is "all I ever wanted to do"). The team started by examining items from Joanna's home, looking for foreign DNA. Then on Christmas Day, Yeates was found dead, on a country road.

A colleague went down to supervise the removal of her clothing and preserve any body fluids: "The body was frozen, so that was quite tricky." Under the media glare, the work was flat-out: clothing, swabs, suspect's clothing, all analysed and turned round in 48 hours.

"Eventually, we found something," Lennen says. "On swabs and tapes from her breasts, and tapes from three areas of her jeans. There were DNA components that matched one of the suspects, Vincent Tabak." But there wasn't enough, of enough quality, to evaluate – perhaps because of the high salt levels where the body was found, following heavy snowfall.

So the team deployed an LGC technique known as DNA SenCE, which purifies, concentrates and enhances otherwise unusable DNA: "We couldn't say whether the DNA was from saliva, or semen, or even touch. But we could say that the probability of it not being a match with Tabak was less than one in a billion."

With the killer's confession, Lennen's DNA evidence was not further tested. "It happens, in court," she says. "You get called biased, in the police's pay. You have to tell the truth, not stretch what you have. If you don't know which of two alternatives is more likely, you must say so."


Lindsey Lennen was the DNA specialist who worked for LGC forensics.  Angela Gallop was the driving force to setting up LGC, this woman is amazing in her dedication to forensics, she was the instigator to setting private forensic testing  company away from FSS a government owned company who would normally do testing for the prosecution.  This allowed the defence to call on and enable to do their own testing with a private company.  LGC was called upon by the defence and prosecution for testing in various cases and murders over a number of years.  Angela Gallop has a book out called “When theDogs don’t bark”. I read this about two months back, very good read if your interested in forensics.


A sentence jumps out at me viz ".........the probability of it (DNA) not being a match with Tabak was less than one in a billion". It occurs to me that if Nine wants to take on board the full impact of the meaning of those words, a good exercise might be to write the numbers numerically, however, I suspect it more likely that she'll set off to find it!!!
 



Offline Real justice

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3677 on: April 13, 2019, 10:16:13 AM »

A sentence jumps out at me viz ".........the probability of it (DNA) not being a match with Tabak was less than one in a billion". It occurs to me that if Nine wants to take on board the full impact of the meaning of those words, a good exercise might be to write the numbers numerically, however, I suspect it more likely that she'll set off to find it!!!
The likelihood of it coming from the defendant (Tabak) is 1000000000/1000000001.  🤓
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Offline Caroline

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3678 on: April 13, 2019, 02:35:59 PM »
The likelihood of it coming from the defendant (Tabak) is 1000000000/1000000001.  🤓

Ah! But did they really find DNA or was it fake news? Think I had better investigate Twitter to find out the answer!  8((()*/

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3679 on: April 13, 2019, 03:07:15 PM »
Ah! But did they really find DNA or was it fake news? Think I had better investigate Twitter to find out the answer!  8((()*/

You're certain sure to find the answer there &^^&* *&^^& *%87

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3680 on: April 13, 2019, 05:52:01 PM »
Ah! But did they really find DNA or was it fake news? Think I had better investigate Twitter to find out the answer!  8((()*/
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Offline Caroline

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3681 on: April 13, 2019, 07:05:10 PM »
You need to be famous and have a Twitter account though... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eq2NWBjOgiw

There's always a snag!  ?8)@)-)

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3682 on: April 14, 2019, 08:12:35 PM »
Spot The Difference...







Answer

Footwear.....   How is that possible???


You forgot the shrug, but what's the problem? I've frequently attended "do's" with a spare pair of shoes in case one pair becomes uncomfortable.

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3683 on: April 14, 2019, 11:37:36 PM »
Spot The Difference...







Answer

Footwear.....   How is that possible???

And you wonder why no one takes you seriously.    %56&


You go to a do, you look great in your fuckoff shoes, then after the speeches you want to dance but your dogs are barking. So you put your flips on and dance the night away. That's what normal people do. Normal people.

At the risk of the wrath of Mrs Wah, I don't think that you're  operating on the same planet as other,people.   You are haunting a family who have lost everything yet live with their loss with grace and dignity.
I wish that you would stop now.
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Offline puglove

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3684 on: April 14, 2019, 11:44:34 PM »
And you wonder why no one takes you seriously.    %56&


You go to a do, you look great in your fuckoff shoes, then after the speeches you want to dance but your dogs are barking. So you put your flips on and dance the night away. That's what normal people do. Normal people.

At the risk of the wrath of Mrs Wah, I don't think that you're normal, or operating on the same planet as other, normal people. I find you unkind, blinkered and strange. You are haunting a family who have lost everything yet live with their loss with grace and dignity. And still you blunder into their lives with your clumsy rubbish.

I wish that you would stop now. Your misguided hope is cruel and hateful.

And seriously, Mrs Wah, if you mod or remove this, I'll kick off a storm, because I've been here since day one, and I'm entitled to give my opinion. So don't baby me or patronise.
I'll be back after the menopause.

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3685 on: April 15, 2019, 09:58:12 AM »
And seriously, Mrs Wah, if you mod or remove this, I'll kick off a storm, because I've been here since day one, and I'm entitled to give my opinion. So don't baby me or patronise.


I don't baby or patronise anyone, Puglove, especially a fellow dog lover!!!

I don't care if you've been here since day one, to be honest, and, yes, you are entitled to give your opinion, but you are not entitled to be rude to other posters , who are also entitled to give their opinions, however way out you think they are.  So, I will edit your post and remove the rude bits. You may kick off a storm if you must, and I suggest you discuss my moderating with someone more senior than me.

Offline Caroline

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3686 on: April 15, 2019, 02:03:23 PM »

You forgot the shrug, but what's the problem? I've frequently attended "do's" with a spare pair of shoes in case one pair becomes uncomfortable.

Now changing shoes is part of the conspiracy?

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3687 on: April 15, 2019, 02:31:27 PM »
Now changing shoes is part of the conspiracy?


Possibly so. It's not something I'd factored in, but then I'd not allowed for Uncle Tom et al, either!!!

Offline Caroline

Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3688 on: April 15, 2019, 03:46:19 PM »

Possibly so. It's not something I'd factored in, but then I'd not allowed for Uncle Tom et al, either!!!

I went to a wedding a few years ago, wore totally inappropriate shoes (like you do) and they were off my feet more times than on. I wish I had thought about taking a spare pair rather than having to walk about bare foot.

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Re: The Defence Will State Their Case
« Reply #3689 on: April 15, 2019, 03:55:34 PM »
Perhaps the photos were taken at two different events?  In any case, I can imagine taking two pairs of shoes.