The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?

[Holly Goodhead]

He didn't bring it up in any of his witness statements either, nor did he mention it when he was arrested - "You can't be serious, all three of us saw someone moving in the house, that's why we ran away"

He only mentioned it at the trial when he became desperate. It was either Rivlin or Lawson that suggested the phrase "a trick of the light" to PC Bews in cross exam. JB is still furious about it.

The CT and supporters still claim that they all saw "a figure" but all PC Myall saw was possible "movement" out the corner of his eye which they quickly dismissed.

The question I really want answering is this; Do the CT really believe the guff they post or are they deliberately committing innocence fraud?

What's your definition of 'supporter'?

I believe JB to be at the very least a MoJ and in all probability innocent but to start beating the drum about the so-called 'trick of the light' as an alibi some 34 years later doesn't help his case at all.  Hence he was called out on it by BC.

If PS Bews, PC Myall or JB thought the 'trick of the light' was someone moving around inside then how come this isn't mentioned in their wit stats?  None of the officers who arrived later mention it either.

[Common sense]

My point exactly Holly, thank you.

I should clarify,for me, JB supporters fall into two categories, The CT and those that believe every word and desperately misrepresented log they put out and those that have put some serious thought into it. The latter I don't mind, the former will baffle me for the rest of my days.

[Holly Goodhead]

My point exactly Holly, thank you.

I should clarify,for me, JB supporters fall into two categories, The CT and those that believe every word and desperately misrepresented log they put out and those that have put some serious thought into it. The latter I don't mind, the former will baffle me for the rest of my days.

I think some of it might be down to personality traits along the lines of Myers Briggs ie how people perceive the world and make decisions.

I was invited to join the CT by JB and the CT but chose not to. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

What is the CT?

[Common sense]

I think some of it might be down to personality traits along the lines of Myers Briggs ie how people perceive the world and make decisions.

I was invited to join the CT by JB and the CT but chose not to.

It seems to me the CT are controlling personalities and can't bear the idea of sharing the glory when this MOJ is finally overturned.

I don't mind admitting that you Holly are the most intelligent JB supporter I have come across and I respect your deep understanding and research of the case, but I have to say, there isn't a lot of competition for you!

JB should have begged you to lead the team rather than let them become the laughing stock they really are.

[mrswah]

What is the CT?

The Campaign team!

[Holly Goodhead]

It seems to me the CT are controlling personalities and can't bear the idea of sharing the glory when this MOJ is finally overturned.

I don't mind admitting that you Holly are the most intelligent JB supporter I have come across and I respect your deep understanding and research of the case, but I have to say, there isn't a lot of competition for you!

JB should have begged you to lead the team rather than let them become the laughing stock they really are.

Thank you. 

Yes if I was part of the CT I would want everything done very differently.  I immediately came to loggerheads with a senior member over the graveside reading and decided I could not and would not become part of it.

[Common sense]

Thank you. 

Yes if I was part of the CT I would want everything done very differently.  I immediately came to loggerheads with a senior member over the graveside reading and decided I could not and would not become part of it.

I think reading a letter to his supporters and pretending he was talking to his parents was the worst idea anyone could ever have had. Like I said, a laughing stock.

Was it Bambers idea or one of the CT?

[Nicholas]

He didn't bring it up in any of his witness statements either, nor did he mention it when he was arrested - "You can't be serious, all three of us saw someone moving in the house, that's why we ran away"

He only mentioned it at the trial when he became desperate. It was either Rivlin or Lawson that suggested the phrase "a trick of the light" to PC Bews in cross exam. JB is still furious about it.

The CT and supporters still claim that they all saw "a figure" but all PC Myall saw was possible "movement" out the corner of his eye which they quickly dismissed.

The question I really want answering is this; Do the CT really believe the guff they post or are they deliberately committing innocence fraud?

There are many of us who have these same questions

[Nicholas]

I think some of it might be down to personality traits along the lines of Myers Briggs ie how people perceive the world and make decisions.

I was invited to join the CT by JB and the CT but chose not to.

“Most of the research supporting the MBTI's validity has been produced by the Centre for Applications of Psychological Type, an organization run by the Myers-Briggs Foundation, and published in the Centre's own journal, the Journal of Psychological Type, raising questions of independence, bias, and conflict of interest.[7]”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers–Briggs_Type_Indicator

[Nicholas]

The question I really want answering is this; Do the CT really believe the guff they post or are they deliberately committing innocence fraud?

The innocence fraud starts with Bamber

This is what the CT state i.e Virginia Greaves phoned Bamber

“On returning to Sheila’s apartment, Jeremy received a telephone call from another girl he’d been seeing called Virginia Greaves.[/i]
https://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/julie-mugford-volunteer-witness

But it’s alluded to here it was Anji Greaves as opposed to Virginia her sister?

“”Anji later told the Sun that she and Jeremy had become lovers before his arrest and it was their affair, rather than with her sister, that had led to Julie being so inflamed with jealousy that she named him as the murderer.””
(Courtesy of Carol Ann Lee from her book, ‘The Murders at White House Farm’)
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Rj14BwAAQBAJ&pg=PA317&lpg=PA317&dq=the+sun+anji+greaves+jeremy+bamber&source=bl&ots=h8PnNHTkTl&sig=ACfU3U1NpuMY9WW_GJ0UKEtiEAeZmVwONg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwics4rWi4LpAhWEoFwKHYIID8oQ6AEwBHoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=the%20sun%20anji%20greaves%20jeremy%20bamber&f=false

Who was JM thinking of at this point? Did she ever become aware of - or was she ever told of Anji before Bamber’s trial?

”Occasionally choking on her words, she told the court about the night at Caterham Road, when she had begged him to remain with her, and the angry confrontation at Sheila’s flat when she discovered that Jeremy had begun dating a former girlfriend,”,”
(Courtesy of Carol Ann Lee from her book, ‘The Murders at White House Farm’)
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Rj14BwAAQBAJ&pg=PA317&lpg=PA317&dq=the+sun+anji+greaves+jeremy+bamber&source=bl&ots=h8PnNHTkTl&sig=ACfU3U1NpuMY9WW_GJ0UKEtiEAeZmVwONg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwics4rWi4LpAhWEoFwKHYIID8oQ6AEwBHoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=the%20sun%20anji%20greaves%20jeremy%20bamber&f=false

What did Virginia Greaves witness statement say regarding her alleged phone call to Bamber at SC’s flat and did the evidence support the phone call was made by her?

[Holly Goodhead]

I think reading a letter to his supporters and pretending he was talking to his parents was the worst idea anyone could ever have had. Like I said, a laughing stock.

Was it Bambers idea or one of the CT?

No idea but if his you would hope they would talk him out of it.

[Holly Goodhead]

“Most of the research supporting the MBTI's validity has been produced by the Centre for Applications of Psychological Type, an organization run by the Myers-Briggs Foundation, and published in the Centre's own journal, the Journal of Psychological Type, raising questions of independence, bias, and conflict of interest.[7]”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers–Briggs_Type_Indicator

Yes like most things it's not without its critics but it was something widely used in human resources mid 80's.

[Nicholas]

What did Virginia Greaves witness statement say regarding her alleged phone call to Bamber at SC’s flat and did the evidence support the phone call was made by her?

Why didn’t Bamber (or his legal team) consider calling Virginia or Anji Greaves to give evidence in support of his character at his trial?

[Caroline]

It seems to me the CT are controlling personalities and can't bear the idea of sharing the glory when this MOJ is finally overturned.

I don't mind admitting that you Holly are the most intelligent JB supporter I have come across and I respect your deep understanding and research of the case, but I have to say, there isn't a lot of competition for you!

JB should have begged you to lead the team rather than let them become the laughing stock they really are.

Jeremy needs people he can manipulate - he has to be in control. The rubbish in the public domain is mostly down to him and as a supporter, I've heard most of it before from the horses mouth - and more besides. I don't think he's done with the BS yet.