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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #150 on: April 17, 2018, 05:11:36 PM »
Let's face facts. Mike Tesco's forum has long since run its course. There are on average less than 30 users on any one given day. That's says it all. (I don't have the exact stats as I'm no longer a member due to a lifetime ban)  8((()*/

Mike has to make up new members in order to keep up the pretence. The handful of members left aren't really interested in Bamber or indeed the forum; it's become a place to talk about what's going on in the news or Mike Tesco or one of the other members.

The Campaign Team have failed after the "graveside rant" and "Bamber bake off." I don't think the CT amount to anymore than around 10 people. Hardly a campaign per se.

Jeremy Bambers Easter blog, like all his others before, is his way of keeping his supporters sweet so they keep topping up his pocket money. I bet he comes out with no end of excuses as to why he doesn't write more. It's what men like him do.

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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #151 on: April 17, 2018, 06:14:51 PM »
I've heard Trudi is working on OJ  8)-)))

Trudi Benjamin's HERO Mike Tesco writes today: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9383.msg437509.html#msg437509


GOD
DOG
GOD
DOG
GOD

Sheila believed that when God spoke, he must bark like a dog, or that if she barked like a dog that God would make the firearm officers understand her and no doubt she must have ammused herself knowing that the firearms officers, understood her intention and resolve, when she took on the voice of a dog..

DOG
GOD
DOG
GOD
DOG
..


And NGB, Maggie, Lookout, David, Roch and co watch on and say nothing whilst Sheila Caffell is mocked in this way  *&^^&

They are all as bad as one another as far as I'm concerned!
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Offline adam

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #152 on: April 18, 2018, 07:44:08 AM »
Maggie today states:
"Hi Frankie as far as we are aware there are no reports of injuries to JB. There are comments by relatives short time after the murders that he had a few scars on his hands but nothing concrete and as he was a farmer that is not surprising.  Julie Mugford slept with Jeremy after the murders and although later accusing him of the murders she has never claimed to have seen any injuries on his body.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9381.msg437394.html?PHPSESSID=2uufgsp53ktfo4brgggn1ep8n5#msg437394


"Nothing concrete" Maggie wasn't there so how does she know what the relatives said a short time after the murder wasn't true. Is she suggesting they lied?

Just because JM never claimed there weren't injuries to Bamber, doesn't mean he didn't have injuries.

He could have hidden them. He could have slept in long sleeved tops and pyjama bottoms, turned the lights out, for example. There has been no suggestion he slept naked for starters.

Plus, I imagine by this point JM was hyper-vigilant and in shock and her mind was all over the place. It's often not until sometime after, that victims of psychological abuse (psychological abuse following a relationship with a highly disturbed and disordered individual) recognise, with the benefit of hindsight, things they've not considered before. It's all too consuming and overwhelming to come to terms with overnight. It's a process. Some victims of this type of abuse dissociate from the traumatic events.

Maybe Bamber wore make up, a concealer of some description? Who knows. Maybe he was covered in bruises but the make up concealed them? Maybe JM didn't ever say out loud that Bamber had bruises but this doesn't mean he never had any.

Well done Adam for pointing out some of the facts.

Especially these;

There have been a lot of suggestions of third party involvement -

Crispy fired the second shot into Sheila. Suggested by Bamber.

Nevill may have said 'She' rather than 'Sheila' on the phone. Suggested by Bamber.

A hit man team carried out the massacre. Suggested by Mike.


One of the relatives carried out the massacre. Suggested by Sherlock.

Sheila and Bamber committed the massacre together.

The massacre was committed by a hunched figure seen in the area.

Sheila shot herself once downstairs and was then shot again upstairs by the police. Suggested by Mike.

Someone had a grudge against Nevill, who was a part time magistrate.

Bamber couldn't have committed the massacre alone. So had an accomplice. Who this could have been has never been suggested.


A man called Jeff Blake committed the massacre. Suggested by Mike.


It would appear Maggie is unable to recognise the error of her ways and unable to separate facts from fiction so misleads and dismisses what is put before her, by stating to Adam:

"Nice short story Adam. Your opinions are not fact"
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9381.msg437399.html#msg437399

Because of Maggie's bias (and abusive behaviour) towards Adam she is too busy shooting him down and attempting to show herself as being better than Adam to recognise where she is going wrong. I did it myself once, especially with Hall's brother. Then again, so did many others.

The moderators do try to please all parties. Women, supporters, former moderators, elderly posters, posters with learning disabilities. Unfortunately I am none of these so there is no holding back on the main board towards me. That is just the way it is.

I requested assistance last week from an online moderator straight after LuminousWanderer started calling me a liar. No response was received for the next 4 hours.

When a moderator did respond,  a non abusive post I had written, 'correctly' stating LuminousWanderer's threads get very low response rates, was quoted for an unknown reason.

After 4 hours it was now too late.  There was no way LuminousWanderer was going to stop his abuse & ignored & disputed the moderators instructions, and continued to abuse.
« Last Edit: April 18, 2018, 07:51:29 AM by adam »

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #153 on: April 18, 2018, 09:42:04 AM »
Trudi Benjamin's HERO Mike Tesco writes today: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9383.msg437509.html#msg437509


GOD
DOG
GOD
DOG
GOD

Sheila believed that when God spoke, he must bark like a dog, or that if she barked like a dog that God would make the firearm officers understand her and no doubt she must have ammused herself knowing that the firearms officers, understood her intention and resolve, when she took on the voice of a dog..

DOG
GOD
DOG
GOD
DOG
..


And NGB, Maggie, Lookout, David, Roch and co watch on and say nothing whilst Sheila Caffell is mocked in this way  *&^^&

They are all as bad as one another as far as I'm concerned!

And so it continues  *&^^& http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9383.15.html

Roch
"There are pages missing from Essex Constabulary scene and event logs (i.e. they have been re-written).  Cant comment on the exact reason.  However, Mrs Caffell may have been experiencing a psychotic episode during this incident
 
frankie
"Yes I read the suggestion. I personally think that even the best mimicking human still sounds like a human rather than a dog though. Would need to hear a recording (if there was one) to judge the veracity of the sounds and 'responses.'

Roch
"Yes, if true, she would have sounded like a human mimicking a dog.  The full audio tapes from the scene are never going to come to light.  Copies were apparently made but will never see the light of day.

Lookout
"Also any tape or transcript could prove whether there was any code of communication at work or just random noises.

Maggie
"Yes he was,  he was also very old.

frankie
"This is all fascinating and intriguing and the reason that I have joined this forum, so thanks. Forgive me for being on catch up but how is all of this detailed information known? Just thinking that if I'd been involved then by now I'd have blabbed to someone and this might be all over the press?  *&^^&

Mike T
"Something else of significance occurred much earlier at the scene when PS Bews, PC Myall, and Jeremy went on a recce' of the farmhouse...
It was as a result of this 'event' occurring, which may have attracted the silhouetted figure to come and stand next to the parents bedroom window, as if peering out into the grounds at the front of the farmhouse! After a couple of minutes, the silhouetted figure walked swiftly across the full opening of the bedroom window, from right to left (as viewed from the vantage point, of Bews, Myall and Jeremy), going in the general direction of an internal doorway which led from the main bedroom into the box room...
With the benefit of hindsight, it now seems almost certain that the silhouetted figure had left the main bedroom and gone to the window in the box room which was situated on a different side of the farmhouse. It would have provided the silhouetted figure with an ideal opportunity to cast a lengthy gaze over the courtyard, near the back door to the house, as well as afford a general view toward the barns and outbuildings!
What was it, which caused this activity in the mind of the silhouetted figure?
Well...
It was the dog barking, which was locked away in one of the outbuildings, the sound of the dog barking alerted the person, whoever it was, that there was someone or something milling around outside!
Jeremy would comment to the two police officers at the time, that it was strange that his father (Neville Bamber) had not responded to the barking of the dog, because apparently it would have drawn Neville from his bed to investigate! Maybe, Neville Bamber was already dead by that stage (4.02am)? If so, then who could the silhouetted figure seen at the parents bedroom window have been?
June Bamber?
Sheila Caffell?
The Assassin?
Everything now known about by Essex police in connection with this matter leads to the inevitable conclusion that the person seen could only have been a reference to Sheila Caffell!
Remember, that when PC West had asked the operator to check the line to whf, how the operator had confirmed that the phone at the scene was 'off the hook', but that a dog could be heard to be barking? Well, maybe that was not 'Crispy' the shih Tzu dog that was barking alone inside the farmhouse, in all probability that was Sheila Mimicking a dogs bark in response to the dogs at the scene barking, both inside the farmhouse, and outside inside one of the sheds! When one of the dogs had started barking, or both of them, Sheila had took up the guantlet and started barking back at that dog, or both of the dogs!
It must have felt somewhat amusing to her, after she had attacked and killed everyone that whenever she barked, firstly 'Crispy' barked back in response, and this set off a chain reaction, whereby the other dog locked away in an outbuilding also appeared to join in on que!
Sheila must have convinced herself that she could communicate in this way with both dogs!
Hence...
Why, thereafter, she refused to use the Queen's English when communicating or in a conversation with the police who eventually turned up! She decided that she would only communicate with the police by barking like a dog, she believed that by taking this approach that she was conveying her responses to not just the police, but also to both dogs!

Nigel
"Maybe the 'Beige' BT phone was in the 'Parents bedroom' off the hook.
With Neville's blood on it.
The Police needed to make a call so they moved it , the 'Beige' BT phone, to the kitchen and cleaned it after use.
The BT Open line was actually picking up sounds in the 'Parents bedroom'...

Mike T
"In a nutshell, there exists numerous references in the police accounts, of a dog barking!
These were deliberately mentioned because the police believed that it was Sheila Mimicking a barking, or a howling or a whining dog! It was her way of letting them know that she was ready to bite them if they tried to enter the farmhouse! The barks, howls and whinings which Sheila was generating alerted the police that Sheila was alive inside the house, holes up somewhere with access to an arsenal of guns and ammunitions - so, the cops bided their time, hoping that Sheila might fall asleep!
Whilst ever there came a barking, a howling, or a whining sound from within the farmhouse itself, cops knew to keep themselves back!
But, everything took at turn for the better, it seemed, when by 5.25am, the firearms team were engaged in a conversation with a person from inside the farmhouse. It was a truly bizarre state of affairs, with the firearms team bellowing instructions and orders at Sheila to give herself up and to put down any weapons and walk out of the house! In response to most of these challenges two barks echoed back to the police, which appeared to come from the direction of the parents bedroom window, 'Whoof, whoof'..
'Go to the phone', and 'use the phone to communicate with us, please'?
Not surprisingly, these requests received no responses at all, not two 'whoofs', or one...
That was until 5.55am, when the state of the farmhouse phone mysteriously altered from being off the hook, to becoming engaged!

Nigel
"The BT open line tape is key, why is it under Pii?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #154 on: April 18, 2018, 09:47:37 AM »
The moderators do try to please all parties. Women, supporters, former moderators, elderly posters, posters with learning disabilities. Unfortunately I am none of these so there is no holding back on the main board towards me. That is just the way it is.

I requested assistance last week from an online moderator straight after LuminousWanderer started calling me a liar. No response was received for the next 4 hours.

When a moderator did respond,  a non abusive post I had written, 'correctly' stating LuminousWanderer's threads get very low response rates, was quoted for an unknown reason.

After 4 hours it was now too late.  There was no way LuminousWanderer was going to stop his abuse & ignored & disputed the moderators instructions, and continued to abuse.

Is that what you think Adam?

I've given my opinions here http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8088.msg456771#msg456771
« Last Edit: April 18, 2018, 10:34:33 AM by Stephanie »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #155 on: April 18, 2018, 10:53:51 AM »
The moderators do try to please all parties. Women, supporters, former moderators, elderly posters, posters with learning disabilities. Unfortunately I am none of these so there is no holding back on the main board towards me. That is just the way it is.

I requested assistance last week from an online moderator straight after LuminousWanderer started calling me a liar. No response was received for the next 4 hours.

When a moderator did respond,  a non abusive post I had written, 'correctly' stating LuminousWanderer's threads get very low response rates, was quoted for an unknown reason.

After 4 hours it was now too late.  There was no way LuminousWanderer was going to stop his abuse & ignored & disputed the moderators instructions, and continued to abuse.

What a mess Adam, I remember this:

I would also like to make the point that anyone hoping for a retrial or appeal for Jeremy Bamber would feel that the damage done by the Simon Hall is Innocent Campaign is truly terrible and to think that the Jeremy Bamber Forum has given Mrs Hall a platform to defame members of the Hall family and his ex girlfriend is unbelievable.

Pot and kettle come to mind

Lets hope that one day Ngb, Keira, Maggie, Susan etc gain a conscience one day instead of patting Mrs Hall on the back for the abuse
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=4102.msg151507#msg151507

Mike Tesco's forum has helped to seal Jeremy Bambers fate and also exposed his wealth of lies. None of it can be erased, same applies to the OS.

There was a reason Bamber wanted Mike's forum shut down.

His "supporters" have unwittingly uncovered his guilt.





« Last Edit: April 18, 2018, 11:16:26 AM by Stephanie »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #156 on: April 18, 2018, 11:34:06 AM »
And so it continues  *&^^& http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9383.15.html

Roch
"There are pages missing from Essex Constabulary scene and event logs (i.e. they have been re-written).  Cant comment on the exact reason.  However, Mrs Caffell may have been experiencing a psychotic episode during this incident
 
frankie
"Yes I read the suggestion. I personally think that even the best mimicking human still sounds like a human rather than a dog though. Would need to hear a recording (if there was one) to judge the veracity of the sounds and 'responses.'

Roch
"Yes, if true, she would have sounded like a human mimicking a dog.  The full audio tapes from the scene are never going to come to light.  Copies were apparently made but will never see the light of day.

Lookout
"Also any tape or transcript could prove whether there was any code of communication at work or just random noises.

Maggie
"Yes he was,  he was also very old.

frankie
"This is all fascinating and intriguing and the reason that I have joined this forum, so thanks. Forgive me for being on catch up but how is all of this detailed information known? Just thinking that if I'd been involved then by now I'd have blabbed to someone and this might be all over the press?  *&^^&

Mike T
"Something else of significance occurred much earlier at the scene when PS Bews, PC Myall, and Jeremy went on a recce' of the farmhouse...
It was as a result of this 'event' occurring, which may have attracted the silhouetted figure to come and stand next to the parents bedroom window, as if peering out into the grounds at the front of the farmhouse! After a couple of minutes, the silhouetted figure walked swiftly across the full opening of the bedroom window, from right to left (as viewed from the vantage point, of Bews, Myall and Jeremy), going in the general direction of an internal doorway which led from the main bedroom into the box room...
With the benefit of hindsight, it now seems almost certain that the silhouetted figure had left the main bedroom and gone to the window in the box room which was situated on a different side of the farmhouse. It would have provided the silhouetted figure with an ideal opportunity to cast a lengthy gaze over the courtyard, near the back door to the house, as well as afford a general view toward the barns and outbuildings!
What was it, which caused this activity in the mind of the silhouetted figure?
Well...
It was the dog barking, which was locked away in one of the outbuildings, the sound of the dog barking alerted the person, whoever it was, that there was someone or something milling around outside!
Jeremy would comment to the two police officers at the time, that it was strange that his father (Neville Bamber) had not responded to the barking of the dog, because apparently it would have drawn Neville from his bed to investigate! Maybe, Neville Bamber was already dead by that stage (4.02am)? If so, then who could the silhouetted figure seen at the parents bedroom window have been?
June Bamber?
Sheila Caffell?
The Assassin?
Everything now known about by Essex police in connection with this matter leads to the inevitable conclusion that the person seen could only have been a reference to Sheila Caffell!
Remember, that when PC West had asked the operator to check the line to whf, how the operator had confirmed that the phone at the scene was 'off the hook', but that a dog could be heard to be barking? Well, maybe that was not 'Crispy' the shih Tzu dog that was barking alone inside the farmhouse, in all probability that was Sheila Mimicking a dogs bark in response to the dogs at the scene barking, both inside the farmhouse, and outside inside one of the sheds! When one of the dogs had started barking, or both of them, Sheila had took up the guantlet and started barking back at that dog, or both of the dogs!
It must have felt somewhat amusing to her, after she had attacked and killed everyone that whenever she barked, firstly 'Crispy' barked back in response, and this set off a chain reaction, whereby the other dog locked away in an outbuilding also appeared to join in on que!
Sheila must have convinced herself that she could communicate in this way with both dogs!
Hence...
Why, thereafter, she refused to use the Queen's English when communicating or in a conversation with the police who eventually turned up! She decided that she would only communicate with the police by barking like a dog, she believed that by taking this approach that she was conveying her responses to not just the police, but also to both dogs!

Nigel
"Maybe the 'Beige' BT phone was in the 'Parents bedroom' off the hook.
With Neville's blood on it.
The Police needed to make a call so they moved it , the 'Beige' BT phone, to the kitchen and cleaned it after use.
The BT Open line was actually picking up sounds in the 'Parents bedroom'...

Mike T
"In a nutshell, there exists numerous references in the police accounts, of a dog barking!
These were deliberately mentioned because the police believed that it was Sheila Mimicking a barking, or a howling or a whining dog! It was her way of letting them know that she was ready to bite them if they tried to enter the farmhouse! The barks, howls and whinings which Sheila was generating alerted the police that Sheila was alive inside the house, holes up somewhere with access to an arsenal of guns and ammunitions - so, the cops bided their time, hoping that Sheila might fall asleep!
Whilst ever there came a barking, a howling, or a whining sound from within the farmhouse itself, cops knew to keep themselves back!
But, everything took at turn for the better, it seemed, when by 5.25am, the firearms team were engaged in a conversation with a person from inside the farmhouse. It was a truly bizarre state of affairs, with the firearms team bellowing instructions and orders at Sheila to give herself up and to put down any weapons and walk out of the house! In response to most of these challenges two barks echoed back to the police, which appeared to come from the direction of the parents bedroom window, 'Whoof, whoof'..
'Go to the phone', and 'use the phone to communicate with us, please'?
Not surprisingly, these requests received no responses at all, not two 'whoofs', or one...
That was until 5.55am, when the state of the farmhouse phone mysteriously altered from being off the hook, to becoming engaged!

Nigel
"The BT open line tape is key, why is it under Pii?

Absolute bonkers! And Jeremy Bamber has kept this quiet for 33 years. Why I wonder might that be?
« Last Edit: April 18, 2018, 11:42:41 AM by Stephanie »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #157 on: April 18, 2018, 12:10:58 PM »
Frankie
"What of the other dogs? Where were they and how many? More intriguingly to me, where does all this info about these events come from and was Jeremy there, did he hear all this dog barking correspondence?

Mike T
"What of the other dogs? Where were they and how many? More intriguingly to me, where does all this info about these events come from and was Jeremy there, did he hear all this dog barking correspondence?
The family owned two dogs, one a house dog, the other a farmyard dog!
Jeremy was privy to the original barking of the farmyard dog, and perhaps Sheila's mimmick of the house dog, when he went on a recce' of the farmhouse along with PS Bews and PC Myall. He was not present at the scene at 5.25am, when the firearms team were engaged in a conversation with a person inside the farmhouse, because he had left the scene at that time with a uniformed PC to go to a nearby village to use the public telephone to call Julie Mugford'!
Upon his return Jeremy was kept away from the farmhouse, he was sat with PS Saxby in a patrol car (call sign CA07) which was parked up, in Pages Lane, next to the farm cottages - he was effectively out of earshot of the barking dogs, the barking Sheila, or the loud hailer requests and commands! He simply felt as though police had made contact with whoever the silhouetted figure at his parents bedroom window had been, and that the police were trying to negotiate bringing the matter to an end!

Frankie
"Thanks. Has Jeremy ever commented on this version of events apart from the moonlight/movement at window which I have read about? Also was Sheila ever known to have made animal noises while having episodes before?

Mike T
"No, he hasn't commented directly on any of this, but it is very interesting that he should comment on the switching off of, and the switching on of various lights in different rooms of the farmhouse during the police seige - since,  this could only have been possible by human intervention, the house dog couldn't have performed these tasks!
Somebody was alive inside the farmhouse at a time when Jeremy Bamber was outside in the company of the police! He therefore, couldn't,'t have killed everyone and staged his sister's death scene in possession of the rifle on his parents bedroom floor - there are similarities in this case, with the case of Derek Bentley, in that in both instances Bentley and Jeremy Bamber were alibi'd by one police officer in Derek Bentley's case, byput by several police officers in Jeremy's case!
I believe PS Bews recent account is a dishonest one, he knows they saw a person at the parents bedroom window, and he seeks to confuse the issue by making out that the window at which all the fuss is about, was the window top right, when the parents bedroom window was the window top left at the front of the farmhouse! Shouldn't a cop be able to tell his left from his right http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9383.msg437561.html#msg437561


Give it up Mike, you are a moron!
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Offline adam

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #158 on: April 18, 2018, 05:45:19 PM »
LuminousWanderer has left the Blue forum. It seems after his interaction with me. Similar to David, he needs to 'man up'.

TomG left the Blue forum after interacting with me. He wasn't abusive, but used to deny saying things after I disagreed with him. It wasn't hard to quote his earlier posts that he had denied posting, as he only posted on one thread.

Nugs has just said LuminousWanderer 'seemed like a pretty sane poster' !

« Last Edit: April 18, 2018, 06:34:51 PM by adam »

Offline ActualMat

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #159 on: April 18, 2018, 06:39:25 PM »
LuminousWanderer has left the Blue forum. It seems after his interaction with me. Similar to David, he needs to 'man up'.

TomG left the Blue forum after interacting with me. He wasn't abusive, but used to deny saying things after I disagreed with him. It wasn't hard to quote his earlier posts that he had denied posting, as he only posted on one thread.

Nugs has just said LuminousWanderer 'seemed like a pretty sane poster' !

Well yeah, compared to Nugs.

I am still shocked they are pretending Nigel is a real person. Even IF he was - he's posted death threats to the Bamber relatives.. What a joke.

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #160 on: April 18, 2018, 06:44:15 PM »
Ngb states re Luminous:

"That is a pity.  I was about to ban him for sending threatening and abusive private messages.  He has also tried to register two further accounts on the forum

"He was abusive and offensive and made threats against the forum

"He had an overblown view of his knowledge and expertise on legal matters, particularly in relation to evidence.  It was impossible to reason with him, he always knew best.  In fact he legal knowledge was apparently gained from reading law books in a prison library.

"He does not like people arguing with him.



Roch: "Just a message for Luminous.  Since you have closed your account, I am unable to respond to your pms.  Hope you'll re-register at some point. Cheers.
David: "I enjoyed reading his posts on the forum. What did he say
Roch: "As a poster, he had his plus points and seemed to devour the case.  Cited a couple of other forum members as being the reason behind departure.


Roch & David aka beavis and butthead. They're a pair of sycophants brown nosers
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #161 on: April 18, 2018, 06:49:02 PM »
LuminousWanderer has left the Blue forum. It seems after his interaction with me. Similar to David, he needs to 'man up'.

TomG left the Blue forum after interacting with me. He wasn't abusive, but used to deny saying things after I disagreed with him. It wasn't hard to quote his earlier posts that he had denied posting, as he only posted on one thread.

Nugs has just said LuminousWanderer 'seemed like a pretty sane poster' !

"Sane" as in Jeremy Bamber sane?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #162 on: April 18, 2018, 06:50:22 PM »
Well yeah, compared to Nugs.

I am still shocked they are pretending Nigel is a real person. Even IF he was - he's posted death threats to the Bamber relatives.. What a joke.

Agreed!
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Offline adam

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #163 on: April 19, 2018, 09:59:06 AM »
LuminousWanderers aim was to find a way to show the conviction was unsafe.

Alternative questions put to him, he would say Bamber does not need to answer this to get a release. Although he did later give a Sheila scenario.

His posts and threads were long but didn't say much. Resulting in very low response rates.

It seems he's quickly given up trying to find a way in which the conviction is unsafe. Wisely, as Bamber hasn't found a way in the last 33 years.

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #164 on: April 19, 2018, 10:10:58 AM »
LuminousWanderers aim was to find a way to show the conviction was unsafe.

Alternative questions put to him, he would say Bamber does not need to answer this to get a release. Although he did later give a Sheila scenario.

His posts and threads were long but didn't say much. Resulting in very low response rates.

It seems he's quickly given up trying to find a way in which the conviction is unsafe. Wisely, as Bamber hasn't found a way in the last 33 years.

Luminous posted

@ Angela222

Thanks.  I've just started a thread (awaiting moderation, but I hope it will appear shortly).
I have no idea about Bamber's culpability.  My interest is in the narrow question of whether the Bamber convictions are legally safe.  The questions I have included in the new thread are intended to help me narrow things down in my own mind.

And this

Would the Forum administrators consider setting up a new sub-forum to discuss the case of Gary Dobson and Stephen Norris?
These two men were convicted of the murder of Stephen Lawrence, but there are said to be doubts about their convictions and the case is of great public interest.

As you say Adam, LM wasn't interested in innocence or guilt, their interest was in the safety of the conviction.

To my detriment, I came to learn that many of those who claim to be interested in, or supportive of, alleged MOJ'S cases aren't actually interested in the alledged victims per se but are interested in the rule of law and how it is applied (and more often than not their own self serving bias/personal agendas).

Whilst I do not disagree that our criminal justice system is flawed and indeed broken, those people who are attempting to fight back to expose the flaws, should find an alternative way in which to achieve their aims.

Luminous reminded me very much of people like Dr Sandra Lean and Billy (William) Middleton etc (and the Hall's)

Gary Dobson and David Norris Conviction an abuse of 'Due Process'
'MOJUK is not concerned with the 'innocence or guilt' of those in jail. We are concerned only that they have been brought to trial and convicted through 'due process of law'. This since its' foundation has been the corner stone of MOJUK's 'Raison d'être:
MOJUK are completely opposed to the jailing of Gary Dobson and David Norris, for the way they have been convicted is a blatant abuse of due process. The Crown Prosecution Service 16 years ago, fouled this case up in every possible way, leading to the acquittal of Dobson. New Labour had to legislate to change the law, so that they could quash the original verdict against Dobson and then charge him all over again.
Ths real culprits of the murder of Stephen Lawrence are the *Metropolitan Police, there is no dispute about their racism at the time of Stephen's murder 1993 (and many think it still persists) and that racism was their motive for doing sweet nothing to apprehend the killers 18 years ago. The Metropolitan Police that were involved at the time should be tried for culpable manslaughter.
'Double Jeopardy' a corner stone of justice in the UK that a person cannot be tried for the same offence twice, for hundreds of years, is no longer and the real victim of the decision to convict Dobson and Norris.
The forensic evidence that convicted Dobson was extremely weak, comparable with the gunpowder evidence in the Barry George trial. In general the trial could be described as the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) throwing as much shit as they could at the defendants in the hope that some of it would stick and it did.
I am sure Dobson and Norris, will appeal, if they do, and for no other reason than that their conviction was an abuse of due process, MOJUK hopes they succeed.
John O for MOJUK

* Stephen Lawrence [Met collusion with murder suspects]

Ben Gummer: To ask the Secretary of State for the Home Department (1) what assessment she has made of the conduct of the Independent Police Complaints Commission investigation into the relationship between the Metropolitan Police and the families and acquaintances of suspects in the investigation into the murder of Stephen Lawrence;

(2) whether she plans to examine reports of collusion and corruption between members of the Metropolitan Police and the families and acquaintances of suspects in the investigation into the murder of Stephen Lawrence; [89117]

(3) what assessment she has made of whether reports of corruption and collusion in the investigation by the Metropolitan Police into the murder of Stephen Lawrence have been properly and fully investigated. [89175]

Nick Herbert: Allegations of corruption and collusion between members of the Metropolitan Police and families and acquaintances of suspects in the investigation into the murder of Stephen Lawrence were examined by the MacPherson inquiry. The Independent Police Complaints Commission has also investigated complaints from Neville and Doreen Lawrence. If new allegations are made, it will be for the Metropolitan Police Service and the Independent Police Complaints Commission to decide what action to take.
House of Commons / 18 Jan 2012 : Column 823W

Gary Dobson and David Norris were arrested and charged without publicity on 8 September 2010 and on 23 October 2010 the Director of Public Prosecutions, Keir Starmer QC, applied to the Court of Appeal for Dobson's original acquittal to be quashed. Dobson was already in prison at the time for drug dealing.[39] Norris had not been previously acquitted, so no application was necessary in his case. Dobson's acquittal was quashed following a two-day hearing on 11 and 12 April 2011, enabling his retrial.
    http://www.mojuk.org.uk/MOJUK2012/DobsonNorris.html

Further reading re Keir Starmer, joint enterprise, Stephen Lawrence murder https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/libertycentral/2012/jan/18/joint-enterprise-gang-member

Fair trial https://englandcalling.wordpress.com/2012/01/08/stephen-lawrence-gary-dobson-david-norris-and-a-political-trial/
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