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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #375 on: May 02, 2018, 09:57:24 PM »
Found this from Jenny http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=343.0  - I'd refer to it as an attempt of a smear campaign against Julie M  *&^^&

Then this elsewhere:

"22. This concerned me, not only because of the tactics Simon McKay had used in the Jeremy Bamber case, but also because there was reference made to two IVAs (Individual Voluntary Arrangements) which I took to mean that he had twice got into significant debt.
23. Mr Bennett also telephoned the Solicitors Regulation Authority and discovered that he had been reprimanded by the Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal in 2009. Their findings are at Document No. 3. The main findings were:
a) Failing to keep clients’ money  separate from practice money or his own money
b) Failing to apply clients’ monies to those clients’ matters
c) Failing to have proper accounting records
d) There were several other serious complaints about McKay Law
e) They even added a ‘mark-up’ to bank charges, and then described these as ‘disbursements’, a practice the Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal said was ’obnoxious’
https://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t11106-les-balkwell-update-high-court-hearing-2-july-was-media-release-12noon-thursday-19-march-2015-high-court-hearing-room-e111-queens-bench-division-monday-23-march-11-30am

To what tactics does Les Balkwell refer regarding what Simon McKay used in the Jeremy Bamber case?
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Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #376 on: May 03, 2018, 10:52:54 AM »
To what tactics does Les Balkwell refer regarding what Simon McKay used in the Jeremy Bamber case?

Didn't Simon McKay represent Max Clifford?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #377 on: May 03, 2018, 12:01:22 PM »
Attention: Simon McKay esq., McKay Law
 
Re: Jeremy Bamber case
 
Dear Mr. McKay,
 
I was very idsappointed to learn you have recently made comments in the Canadian press regarding Julie Smerchanski nee Mugford in connection with the Jeremy Bamber case.
 
You seemed to assume that there would be an appeal court hearing at which you would want to call her to give evidence. You must have know these comments were premature even if you did expect the CCRC to refer Bamber's case to the Court of Appeak.
 
The following comments attributed to you I found most disturbing:
 
"We're fairly certain we can issue a subpoena upon her and that extradition treaties would force her to testify".
 
Besides assuming a court case that was never likely to happen, you directly imply Julie would have to be forced to attend requiring a subpoena and extradition. Julie voluntarily attended the last 2002 Bamber appeal and you have absolutely no right to imply that Julie would have to be forced to attend your hoped for appeal.
 
In my opinion your sole purpose for making these comments was to damage Julie's reputation in her home town and you should be thoroughly ashamed of your behaviour. I trust now you have failed miserably at the CCRC you will leave Julie alone.
 
How would you like it if for instance I contacted certain people about your personal history and let them know you are working pro bono for Jeremy Bamber when you have two current IVA's in your name. I am sure your creditors who agreed to the IVA's would wonder why you are working for a proven child killer for nothing when you should be trying to pay back your debts.
 
There might also be a lot of interest in the fact you didn't disclose your current insolvency agreements when trying to obtain funding in the USA for your failed get rich quick scheme. Just as there might be a lot of interest in the SRA (Solicitors Regulation Authority) judgement against you; mishandling of clients funds wasn't it?
 
I think you have been led by the nose to the Canadian press by one Miss Jackie Preece and I strongly advise you not to be associated with this woman in any way, shape or form. Miss Preece not only stalks anyone who dare suggest that her idol Bamber is guilty, she spends hours researching their children and using private Facebook photos of their family's to try and hurt her victims. She uses the private information gained and photos in her  nasty emails which she freely distributes.
 
She has also done the same with Anne Eaton and her daughter who was about 7 years old at the time of the murders. Miss Jackie Preece also researched the suicide death of the partner of a member of Bamber's Official Campaign Team and used this information on Twitter to again hurt her victim. I understand Bamber himself is aware of at least this last instance and is rightly furious with Miss Preece's behaviour.
 
If you doubt anything I have said please feel free to check with Neil who I understand worked closely with you on the resent failed CCRC submission. Neil knows chapter and verse about all Miss Preece's vile stalking activities.
 
I have no problem with you representing Bamber although I do question your motives. I do have a problem with your harassing of Julie for no other possible purpose than to cause her distress. That was way below the belt Mr. McKay!
 
I would suggest you have nothing more to do with Miss Preece and play by the rules of decency in future.
 
Yours truly,
 
 
Jennifer Terry
 
CC: 
Jeremy Bamber at Full Sutton Prison by mail
Mark Williams-Thomas by email http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=343.0

It appears to me that things became sour between Simon McKay and Les Ballwell and I'm presuming the same applies with Jeremy Bamber? http://www.romfordrecorder.co.uk/news/exclusive-bamber-lawyer-to-take-on-balkwell-case-1-1445332

Why won't people like Simon McKay speak out, as Les Baulkwell did, and set the record straight instead of brushing things under the carpet and carrying on regardless in the hope the public won't notice these indiscretions?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1002.0

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=125.0

Post by: jackiepreece on November 16, 2011, 05:20:PM
"Just recently my relationship with Jeremy seems of great importance to a lot of people.  I have always said to Jeremy my interest in the case was purely because I believe this to be a huge miscarriage of justice.  I had read about the case and Jeremy Bamber and his bamberettes made it clear from the beginning that I was not looking for a boyfriend (incase you are reading this John Lamberton) and you will see from part of one of the letters Jeremy replied to he said he could see I was genuine and wasnt interested in women anymore (haha girlfriend of two years Daniele Hammond) why on earth would Jeremy mislead people like that.
I have enclosed two letters one where Jeremy is apologising to me for not trusting me to let me know about Simon McKay although I helped set the whole thing up. To say I was hurt is an understatement.
The next letter is completely different  to the letter (I have removed some parts of the middle of the letter as they are personal) before where he normally signs off lots of love its cheers mate love Jeremy and not a phone call since.
I am no longer any use at Bamber Towers and apparently Jeremy has been telling all his friends he no longer needs any contact with me and he has not had any contact with me for weeks.

All I can say is good luck, nice scam Jeremy and I hope this puts a stop to all the gossip and gives John Lamberton lots of stuff for his forum
P.S.
Just to top it off Bambertweets are cutting and pasting all my twitter contactsso they can have contact themselves.
It just goes to show they have moved on from photocopying and scanning

NGB replies:
"Jackie  - this really is very sad.  The only thought I have on it is whether you can be sure that Jeremy has decided to break contact with you.  With his new solicitor on board and a tight deadline I believe he must be spending all hours of the day working on the case.  He is I imagine using his available telephone time for discussing the final submissions to the CCRC.  I am not in any way trying to justify the way you have been treated but I do wonder how much of this has really come from Jeremy himself, rather than from some of those involved in his campaign team. Why not write to Jeremy explaining how you feel?  At least he would then hear it directly from you, rather than indirectly from someone else. 
I am really disappointed about the actions of some of those close to Jeremy.  His supporters should be working together, respecting and valuing the contributions of all of his supporters.  There is no justification for some of the unpleasant and hurtful behaviour that I have heard about over the past few days.  I really do not understand it.  I have a feeling that if Jeremy really had all the facts he would view some things in a different way

Grahame states:
"Even tw..s need justice Cliff even if they are dorks. I have felt like that several times. Just a note to those on the guilty page who say "we told you so". Surprise surprise. We knew already what he is like. But what they can't seem to grasp with their tiny minds is that we have no ulterior motive for defending Jeremy Bamber. We defend him because we believe he is innocent. Not because we think he's a nice man. Truth is he has done this to several people, just dumped them when they outlive their usefulness. Let this be a warning to everybody who consider themselves to be "personal friends" with him, be careful because I guarantee that you will get hurt.
So on the one hand I dislike him, but on the other hand I pity him and fight his corner. Because I think he is innocent. I don't expect to ever make his acquaintance and don't really desire to.
Jackie has no ulterior motive either. She is genuine in her nature and tells the truth and says what she thinks. She is a rare honest and caring person who accepts folks on face value. She has no other desires for Jeremy other than to see justice done. I am extremely angry with Jeremy to let such a rare honest person slip from his grasp. And the campaign organisers, poor souls do not realise what a powerful knowledgeable person they have cast aside. It was Jackie who got Simon McKay to take on Jeremy's case and Jeremy was informed by those running the campaign that it was they who engineered it all. They should be ashamed of themselves for misinforming Jeremy in that way.
I am thoroughly disgusted with them. That kind of dishonesty can lose support for Jeremy's case and I am sure it has already, the silly shallow souls. My advice to those who run the so called "official" campaign is to inform Jeremy of the truth, That their claim to have persuaded Simon McKay to take Jeremy's case was easy work for them but hard slog for Jackie. Tell the truth please you who run the campaign.

Jackie:
"Whatever I think about Jeremys behaviour I still believe he is innocent but he is surrounded by people who do not have his best interests at heart.
I have personally seen the work other people have done for Jeremy completely forgotten.
If people really cared what happens in the future and if they really do want Jeremys conviction overturned they will stop all the stupid games an arguments.
I have no idea why Jeremy has behaved the way he has but I think someone must have said something really nasty about me.
The worst thing was when I saw all my twitter accounts being copied.  The campaign team could have tried to get more followers themselves but to copy mine is very calculating.
Every single day I have people contact me through twitter wanting to help but I can't do anything anymore when my relationship with the campaign team no longer exists.
There was not one word from them about the appointment of Simon McKay.
I have never experienced this behaviour before so I have no idea how to deal with it. I want to keep posting on the forum but it's clear the campaign team don't really want me to.
I would like to make the point that when I was first in contact with Simon McKay I emailed the campaign office straight away with all his details (I have never done anything underhand I have always kept the campaign office informed of everything) within a week the campaign office emailed me to ask if I had done anything with the Simon Mackay contact making it very obvious they didn't intend to do anything with the contact. I then decided to take it further myself.
This situation is an example why Mike doesn't pass everything to the campaign centre.
I question anyone involved in the bad behaviour I have highlighted do they really care about Jeremy and want his conviction overturned.
Dale there was a previous situation that involved myself, Ngb and xxxx that I will not talk about on the open forum but to say I was upset by this person is an understatement.  xxxx has never been in contact with me since Jeremy put me on the phone list.
I didn't want to burn bridges but Jeremy clearly does not me involved anymore and he has told forum members that has been the situation for some time and you couldn't have bridges burnt anymore than someone trying to hijack all the twitter accounts I worked so hard to build up.
I cared about Jeremy a lot and continue to care about him and have fought so many battles defending him.
Why would anyone behave like this Dale if you know please tell me it would make me feel better

"Dale before you make comments you need to read posts going back the last week
I know when things changed with Jeremy and I noticed at the same time what was happening with twitter.  You obviously don't.
There has been another incident which a number of members know about which involves xxxx but I am not putting it on the forum
I don't believe the campaign centre are doing a good job for Jeremy they don't even use the expert legal advice that is available to them
When I first got Ngb involved a number of people didn't even want a qualified criminal barrister involved they tried to say Ngb probably wasn't genuine
You have it in black and White Jeremy didn't trust me
The more help I have got for Jeremy the more people distanced themselves from me
I have constantly had to listen to why do I come on this forum when they are all mad on here
I know for a fact the campaign could be run by quite a few members of this forum and be so much better
As for me being jealous you can think what you like but I think I made it very clear that when I started writing to Jeremy I was not going to be part of his fan club.
Hence the reply he wrote.
Dale I would be interested in what successes you have had campaigning for Jeremy as you sound as if you have some spare time.  Read up about twitter you might learn something and you might be able to help Jeremy
I am not stupid I know what is going on and don't try to make out that you and yours friends have Jeremys interests at heart because you clearly do not.
There is a lot of jealousy involved here but it's not coming from me
I will give you more detail tomorrow

"Grahame with respect I have been following exactly what has been going on with twitter.
You know how sharp I am and I know exactly what has been going on and so do they
Stupid, stupid, people
Read Mikes post you can see what they are up to there as well
No documents no forum
Jeremy is no more clued up than when he was arrested for the murders and was interviewed without a solicitor
He believes what his 'spies' decide they will tell him

I am bored with this now and I don't trust these people
They have won they can take all the glory I never wanted it anyway
It's a bloody good luck to Jeremy because he will need it

NGB:
Dale  -  I have been careful what I post on this thread because I do not want to do anything which might make matters worse.  I am not able to comment on Grahame's post about past conflict with you on facebook as I have no knowledge of that.  I have not become involved in facebook or twitter and from what I have heard I do not have any regrets about that.  I would not like to become drawn in to some of the nasty exchanges that appear to occur there.  Your posts here have been polite and respectful and you are welcome to continue posting here.  We need more contributions to the debate about the case.  Grahame has of course praised your contributions on this thread.
I am really saddened about the lack of trust and in some cases ill feeling that seems to exist between different groups of supporters of Jeremy.  I have tried very hard not to get drawn in to this, as I believe it has a corrosive effect on relations and is harmful to Jeremy's cause.  The "guilty" brigade are certainly splitting their sides with laughter at what they see posted here as they take delight in seeing Jeremy's supporters at each other's throats.
I would like to find a way to break down the barriers between the different groups of supporters.  I believe that Mike Tesko has a huge amount to offer to the campaign and Mike has indicated his willingness to help.  That offer should in my view be welcomed and accepted and I will do my best to encourage that.
Whist writing this post I have received a call from Jeremy.  He was very concerned about what had been reported to him about this thread.  He had been apparently been told that I had posted that I had fallen out with Jeremy.  As you all know I have not said anything like that, and I told Jeremy what has in fact been going on.  Jeremy knows that he has to be careful not to react to information passed to him without checking it himself.  He assured me that he has not cut off contact with Jackie.  He is very sorry that Jackie is upset.  He apologises for not calling and for delays in responding to letters but he is working flat out on the case and has to make speaking to his team a priority when he has access to the phone.  He says he will catch up with letters as soon as he can and will make calls when he can find time between his lengthy calls to his advisors.  I told Jeremy I would like to discuss the problems raised here with him further and he has agreed to call me again when he can give more time.
I really wish that the politics which surround us in relation to this case could be overcome.  I am going to do what I can to enable this to happen.  I am not going to attack any other supporter here and when I speak to Jeremy I am not going to try to turn him against anyone.  I will however give him my frank assessment of the situation and I will make suggestions for ways in which the problems might be overcome.
Jeremy did not have long to discuss the case and I will receive a fuller update soon.  However, excellent progress is being made on several fronts and although the work involved is intense Jeremy remains very optimistic
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=1775.0
« Last Edit: May 03, 2018, 01:09:50 PM by Stephanie »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #378 on: May 03, 2018, 01:24:16 PM »
It appears to me that things became sour between Simon McKay and Les Ballwell and I'm presuming the same applies with Jeremy Bamber? http://www.romfordrecorder.co.uk/news/exclusive-bamber-lawyer-to-take-on-balkwell-case-1-1445332

Why won't people like Simon McKay speak out, as Les Baulkwell did, and set the record straight instead of brushing things under the carpet and carrying on regardless in the hope the public won't notice these indiscretions?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1002.0

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=125.0

Post by: jackiepreece on November 16, 2011, 05:20:PM
"Just recently my relationship with Jeremy seems of great importance to a lot of people.  I have always said to Jeremy my interest in the case was purely because I believe this to be a huge miscarriage of justice.  I had read about the case and Jeremy Bamber and his bamberettes made it clear from the beginning that I was not looking for a boyfriend (incase you are reading this John Lamberton) and you will see from part of one of the letters Jeremy replied to he said he could see I was genuine and wasnt interested in women anymore (haha girlfriend of two years Daniele Hammond) why on earth would Jeremy mislead people like that.
I have enclosed two letters one where Jeremy is apologising to me for not trusting me to let me know about Simon McKay although I helped set the whole thing up. To say I was hurt is an understatement.
The next letter is completely different  to the letter (I have removed some parts of the middle of the letter as they are personal) before where he normally signs off lots of love its cheers mate love Jeremy and not a phone call since.
I am no longer any use at Bamber Towers and apparently Jeremy has been telling all his friends he no longer needs any contact with me and he has not had any contact with me for weeks.

All I can say is good luck, nice scam Jeremy and I hope this puts a stop to all the gossip and gives John Lamberton lots of stuff for his forum
P.S.
Just to top it off Bambertweets are cutting and pasting all my twitter contactsso they can have contact themselves.
It just goes to show they have moved on from photocopying and scanning

NGB replies:
"Jackie  - this really is very sad.  The only thought I have on it is whether you can be sure that Jeremy has decided to break contact with you.  With his new solicitor on board and a tight deadline I believe he must be spending all hours of the day working on the case.  He is I imagine using his available telephone time for discussing the final submissions to the CCRC.  I am not in any way trying to justify the way you have been treated but I do wonder how much of this has really come from Jeremy himself, rather than from some of those involved in his campaign team. Why not write to Jeremy explaining how you feel?  At least he would then hear it directly from you, rather than indirectly from someone else. 
I am really disappointed about the actions of some of those close to Jeremy.  His supporters should be working together, respecting and valuing the contributions of all of his supporters.  There is no justification for some of the unpleasant and hurtful behaviour that I have heard about over the past few days.  I really do not understand it.  I have a feeling that if Jeremy really had all the facts he would view some things in a different way

Grahame states:
"Even tw..s need justice Cliff even if they are dorks. I have felt like that several times. Just a note to those on the guilty page who say "we told you so". Surprise surprise. We knew already what he is like. But what they can't seem to grasp with their tiny minds is that we have no ulterior motive for defending Jeremy Bamber. We defend him because we believe he is innocent. Not because we think he's a nice man. Truth is he has done this to several people, just dumped them when they outlive their usefulness. Let this be a warning to everybody who consider themselves to be "personal friends" with him, be careful because I guarantee that you will get hurt.
So on the one hand I dislike him, but on the other hand I pity him and fight his corner. Because I think he is innocent. I don't expect to ever make his acquaintance and don't really desire to.
Jackie has no ulterior motive either. She is genuine in her nature and tells the truth and says what she thinks. She is a rare honest and caring person who accepts folks on face value. She has no other desires for Jeremy other than to see justice done. I am extremely angry with Jeremy to let such a rare honest person slip from his grasp. And the campaign organisers, poor souls do not realise what a powerful knowledgeable person they have cast aside. It was Jackie who got Simon McKay to take on Jeremy's case and Jeremy was informed by those running the campaign that it was they who engineered it all. They should be ashamed of themselves for misinforming Jeremy in that way.
I am thoroughly disgusted with them. That kind of dishonesty can lose support for Jeremy's case and I am sure it has already, the silly shallow souls. My advice to those who run the so called "official" campaign is to inform Jeremy of the truth, That their claim to have persuaded Simon McKay to take Jeremy's case was easy work for them but hard slog for Jackie. Tell the truth please you who run the campaign.

Jackie:
"Whatever I think about Jeremys behaviour I still believe he is innocent but he is surrounded by people who do not have his best interests at heart.
I have personally seen the work other people have done for Jeremy completely forgotten.
If people really cared what happens in the future and if they really do want Jeremys conviction overturned they will stop all the stupid games an arguments.
I have no idea why Jeremy has behaved the way he has but I think someone must have said something really nasty about me.
The worst thing was when I saw all my twitter accounts being copied.  The campaign team could have tried to get more followers themselves but to copy mine is very calculating.
Every single day I have people contact me through twitter wanting to help but I can't do anything anymore when my relationship with the campaign team no longer exists.
There was not one word from them about the appointment of Simon McKay.
I have never experienced this behaviour before so I have no idea how to deal with it. I want to keep posting on the forum but it's clear the campaign team don't really want me to.
I would like to make the point that when I was first in contact with Simon McKay I emailed the campaign office straight away with all his details (I have never done anything underhand I have always kept the campaign office informed of everything) within a week the campaign office emailed me to ask if I had done anything with the Simon Mackay contact making it very obvious they didn't intend to do anything with the contact. I then decided to take it further myself.
This situation is an example why Mike doesn't pass everything to the campaign centre.
I question anyone involved in the bad behaviour I have highlighted do they really care about Jeremy and want his conviction overturned.
Dale there was a previous situation that involved myself, Ngb and xxxx that I will not talk about on the open forum but to say I was upset by this person is an understatement.  xxxx has never been in contact with me since Jeremy put me on the phone list.
I didn't want to burn bridges but Jeremy clearly does not me involved anymore and he has told forum members that has been the situation for some time and you couldn't have bridges burnt anymore than someone trying to hijack all the twitter accounts I worked so hard to build up.
I cared about Jeremy a lot and continue to care about him and have fought so many battles defending him.
Why would anyone behave like this Dale if you know please tell me it would make me feel better

"Dale before you make comments you need to read posts going back the last week
I know when things changed with Jeremy and I noticed at the same time what was happening with twitter.  You obviously don't.
There has been another incident which a number of members know about which involves xxxx but I am not putting it on the forum
I don't believe the campaign centre are doing a good job for Jeremy they don't even use the expert legal advice that is available to them
When I first got Ngb involved a number of people didn't even want a qualified criminal barrister involved they tried to say Ngb probably wasn't genuine
You have it in black and White Jeremy didn't trust me
The more help I have got for Jeremy the more people distanced themselves from me
I have constantly had to listen to why do I come on this forum when they are all mad on here
I know for a fact the campaign could be run by quite a few members of this forum and be so much better
As for me being jealous you can think what you like but I think I made it very clear that when I started writing to Jeremy I was not going to be part of his fan club.
Hence the reply he wrote.
Dale I would be interested in what successes you have had campaigning for Jeremy as you sound as if you have some spare time.  Read up about twitter you might learn something and you might be able to help Jeremy
I am not stupid I know what is going on and don't try to make out that you and yours friends have Jeremys interests at heart because you clearly do not.
There is a lot of jealousy involved here but it's not coming from me
I will give you more detail tomorrow

"Grahame with respect I have been following exactly what has been going on with twitter.
You know how sharp I am and I know exactly what has been going on and so do they
Stupid, stupid, people
Read Mikes post you can see what they are up to there as well
No documents no forum
Jeremy is no more clued up than when he was arrested for the murders and was interviewed without a solicitor
He believes what his 'spies' decide they will tell him

I am bored with this now and I don't trust these people
They have won they can take all the glory I never wanted it anyway
It's a bloody good luck to Jeremy because he will need it

NGB:
Dale  -  I have been careful what I post on this thread because I do not want to do anything which might make matters worse.  I am not able to comment on Grahame's post about past conflict with you on facebook as I have no knowledge of that.  I have not become involved in facebook or twitter and from what I have heard I do not have any regrets about that.  I would not like to become drawn in to some of the nasty exchanges that appear to occur there.  Your posts here have been polite and respectful and you are welcome to continue posting here.  We need more contributions to the debate about the case.  Grahame has of course praised your contributions on this thread.
I am really saddened about the lack of trust and in some cases ill feeling that seems to exist between different groups of supporters of Jeremy.  I have tried very hard not to get drawn in to this, as I believe it has a corrosive effect on relations and is harmful to Jeremy's cause.  The "guilty" brigade are certainly splitting their sides with laughter at what they see posted here as they take delight in seeing Jeremy's supporters at each other's throats.
I would like to find a way to break down the barriers between the different groups of supporters.  I believe that Mike Tesko has a huge amount to offer to the campaign and Mike has indicated his willingness to help.  That offer should in my view be welcomed and accepted and I will do my best to encourage that.
Whist writing this post I have received a call from Jeremy.  He was very concerned about what had been reported to him about this thread.  He had been apparently been told that I had posted that I had fallen out with Jeremy.  As you all know I have not said anything like that, and I told Jeremy what has in fact been going on.  Jeremy knows that he has to be careful not to react to information passed to him without checking it himself.  He assured me that he has not cut off contact with Jackie.  He is very sorry that Jackie is upset.  He apologises for not calling and for delays in responding to letters but he is working flat out on the case and has to make speaking to his team a priority when he has access to the phone.  He says he will catch up with letters as soon as he can and will make calls when he can find time between his lengthy calls to his advisors.  I told Jeremy I would like to discuss the problems raised here with him further and he has agreed to call me again when he can give more time.
I really wish that the politics which surround us in relation to this case could be overcome.  I am going to do what I can to enable this to happen.  I am not going to attack any other supporter here and when I speak to Jeremy I am not going to try to turn him against anyone.  I will however give him my frank assessment of the situation and I will make suggestions for ways in which the problems might be overcome.
Jeremy did not have long to discuss the case and I will receive a fuller update soon.  However, excellent progress is being made on several fronts and although the work involved is intense Jeremy remains very optimistic
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=1775.0

Jeremy Bambers psychopathic idealise, devalue, discard cycle has been going on since day dot.

His cult followers/supporters recognise it, some even going as far as to warn others Bamber will hurt them  *&^^&

Psychopaths will stop at nothing in order to win. Thankfully Jeremy Bambers arsenal of pathological manipulation tactics and his exploitive behaviour has been exposed!

Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline adam

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #379 on: May 03, 2018, 01:26:10 PM »
The Blue forum is for posters who are not in contact with Bamber or the CT.

Mike & JackieD were rejected by Bamber. David's contact attempt was rejected at first base. 

Roch, Lookout & Nugs will never leave the safety of the Blue forum.

Trudie left the Blue forum in 2012 & is a high profile activist. Doubtful Bamber will discard her as she could cause high profile damage in the media.
« Last Edit: May 03, 2018, 01:34:01 PM by adam »

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #380 on: May 03, 2018, 01:38:53 PM »
The Blue forum is for posters who are not in contact with Bamber or the CT.

Mike & JackieD were rejected by Bamber. David's contact attempt was rejected at first base. 

Roch, Lookout & Nugs will never leave the safety of the Blue forum.

Trudie left the Blue forum in 2012 & is a high profile activist. Doubtful Bamber will discard her as she could cause high profile damage in the media.

Doesn't Lookout write to Jeremy Bamber? I'm sure she stated on blue that she did.

Trudi Benjamin will come to learn in time she too has been used.

Must say I am appalled at the Campaign teams recent malicious, unfounded smear campaign aimed at Julie Mugford

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8088.msg459501#msg459501

On 1st May 2018 The J B Campaign Lts tweeted: "Thanks to Essex Police and The News of the World Julie Mugford has remained free to influence children.

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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #381 on: May 03, 2018, 01:46:55 PM »
Doesn't Lookout write to Jeremy Bamber? I'm sure she stated on blue that she did.

Trudi Benjamin will come to learn in time she too has been used.

Must say I am appalled at the Campaign teams recent malicious, unfounded smear campaign aimed at Julie Mugford

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8088.msg459501#msg459501

On 1st May 2018 The J B Campaign Lts tweeted: "Thanks to Essex Police and The News of the World Julie Mugford has remained free to influence children.

Formal complaints re the J B Campaign Ltd company can be made here: https://www.gov.uk/complain-about-a-limited-company

"Corporate abuse
Complain to the Insolvency Service if you have good reason to suspect an active company of corporate abuse, for example:

causing significant harm to customers or suppliers
dishonest or unethical activity (like not using company assets properly)
fraud, scams or breaking the law in another way
If you think the company might be committing serious and complex fraud, check if you should report it to the Serious Fraud Office.

How to complain
You can either:

complain to the Insolvency Service online
call or write to the Insolvency Service
Insolvency Service
Telephone: 0300 678 0017
24-hour answerphone
Find out about call charges

Intelligence Hub
Investigations and Enforcement Services
Insolvency Service
3rd Floor Cannon House
18 Priory Queensway
Birmingham
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Complaints about a limited company
https://www.gov.uk/complain-about-a-limited-company

What happens next
If the Insolvency Service decides that your complaint is serious enough, they will either:

carry out a confidential investigation
pass your complaint on to another public body
If they find anything wrong and have enough evidence, they might ask a court to:

close the company down
disqualify the company’s directors
They may also carry out a criminal investigation if they find the company has committed an offence.
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Offline Caroline

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #382 on: May 03, 2018, 01:55:04 PM »
Doesn't Lookout write to Jeremy Bamber? I'm sure she stated on blue that she did.

Trudi Benjamin will come to learn in time she too has been used.

Must say I am appalled at the Campaign teams recent malicious, unfounded smear campaign aimed at Julie Mugford

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8088.msg459501#msg459501

On 1st May 2018 The J B Campaign Lts tweeted: "Thanks to Essex Police and The News of the World Julie Mugford has remained free to influence children.

Yep, just more of the same really. Thing is, they are making themselves sound like obsessives. It's not a clean campaign. All the stuff about Julie Mugford, the family and the liars lobby - it just sounds spiteful. he bake-off and the graveside vigil are ill thought and they seem to work on the premis that any publicity is good publicity - not in this instance! Mud slinging isn't an intelligent way to run a campaign of this nature!

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #383 on: May 03, 2018, 02:02:50 PM »
Yep, just more of the same really. Thing is, they are making themselves sound like obsessives. It's not a clean campaign. All the stuff about Julie Mugford, the family and the liars lobby - it just sounds spiteful. he bake-off and the graveside vigil are ill thought and they seem to work on the premis that any publicity is good publicity - not in this instance! Mud slinging isn't an intelligent way to run a campaign of this nature!

Convicted prisoners are not allowed to benefit financially from their crimes!

I suspect Trudi Benjamin and co think they have found a way round this?

I agree with your post btw. The campaign team appear to have a habit of taking things too far; bordering on the criminal..I suspect because they've got away with it up until now, they think they can continue in the same vein regardless of the consequences to the victims  *&^^&
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #384 on: May 03, 2018, 02:08:07 PM »
Formal complaints re the J B Campaign Ltd company can be made here: https://www.gov.uk/complain-about-a-limited-company

"Corporate abuse
Complain to the Insolvency Service if you have good reason to suspect an active company of corporate abuse, for example:

causing significant harm to customers or suppliers
dishonest or unethical activity (like not using company assets properly)
fraud, scams or breaking the law in another way
If you think the company might be committing serious and complex fraud, check if you should report it to the Serious Fraud Office.

How to complain
You can either:

complain to the Insolvency Service online
call or write to the Insolvency Service
Insolvency Service
Telephone: 0300 678 0017
24-hour answerphone
Find out about call charges

Intelligence Hub
Investigations and Enforcement Services
Insolvency Service
3rd Floor Cannon House
18 Priory Queensway
Birmingham
B4 6FD




Complaints about a limited company
https://www.gov.uk/complain-about-a-limited-company

What happens next
If the Insolvency Service decides that your complaint is serious enough, they will either:

carry out a confidential investigation
pass your complaint on to another public body
If they find anything wrong and have enough evidence, they might ask a court to:

close the company down
disqualify the company’s directors
They may also carry out a criminal investigation if they find the company has committed an offence.

For anyone who may be interested there's an online complaint form here

https://www.insolvencydirect.bis.gov.uk/ExternalOnlineForms/CompanyComplaint.aspx

Company details can be found here https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09883616
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Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #385 on: May 03, 2018, 02:10:42 PM »
Yep, just more of the same really. Thing is, they are making themselves sound like obsessives. It's not a clean campaign. All the stuff about Julie Mugford, the family and the liars lobby - it just sounds spiteful. he bake-off and the graveside vigil are ill thought and they seem to work on the premis that any publicity is good publicity - not in this instance! Mud slinging isn't an intelligent way to run a campaign of this nature!

Much of what the CT claims under their limited company is misleading, false and unfounded and cannot be backed up by evidence, more importantly it is harmful to the surviving relatives and victims and people like Kerry Daynes etc
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #386 on: May 03, 2018, 02:42:11 PM »
Much of what the CT claims under their limited company is misleading, false and unfounded and cannot be backed up by evidence, more importantly it is harmful to the surviving relatives and victims and people like Kerry Daynes etc

More irony https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/oct/10/hatespeechvfreespeech

IMO anything linked to Jeremy Bamber's false claims of innocence have the potential to incite hated, as many of us have witnessed

Jeremy Bamber doesn't have a campaign per se, it's a cult

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Offline Caroline

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #387 on: May 03, 2018, 04:56:40 PM »
Honestly!  8()(((@#


Offline adam

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #388 on: May 03, 2018, 05:40:53 PM »
Doesn't Lookout write to Jeremy Bamber? I'm sure she stated on blue that she did.

Trudi Benjamin will come to learn in time she too has been used.

Must say I am appalled at the Campaign teams recent malicious, unfounded smear campaign aimed at Julie Mugford

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8088.msg459501#msg459501

On 1st May 2018 The J B Campaign Lts tweeted: "Thanks to Essex Police and The News of the World Julie Mugford has remained free to influence children.

Lookout said Bamber sent her a Christmas card. She once disputed a piece of evidence saying Bamber sent her a letter regarding this. This letter was never posted on the forum.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #389 on: May 03, 2018, 06:27:26 PM »
Honestly!  8()(((@#

David runs with the CT on this and of course it fits with his theories that SC died significantly later. 

Seriously guys if you want to assist JB you need to up your game, know your stuff, check your facts.  As it stands you make JB look very guilty!  If I had my way the lot of you would be gone in a flash.  Why don't you venture onto the forums to discuss the case?  Maybe because you know SFA and have enough sense to know you would get severely drubbed.  Why do you know SFA?  Coz you is fick and lazy!  And you all huddle round in a family slipper agreeing with each other.  That's why.   

And in addition to what Caroline has posted any sound may have come from Crispy scampering around. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?