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Offline Caroline

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #750 on: January 25, 2020, 12:45:48 PM »
You're free to think what you like.

How do you think prison officials screen outgoing mail for content and contraband if prisoners are allowed to send out hundreds of pages of paper in one envelope?  Bearing in mind JB is cat A.

There is no restriction o sending letters - I realise that people will jump all over the word 'normally' but that clearly would be if there was a suspicion that something was being organised etc.

https://www.gov.uk/staying-in-touch-with-someone-in-prison


Offline Caroline

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #752 on: January 25, 2020, 12:49:22 PM »
All letters, both incoming and outgoing, may be read in high security establishments.

All phone calls made by cat A prisoners are monitored.

Bearing in mind JB is on a whole life tariff I would think his conditions security wise are onerous.

I don't think they check all -but it is procedure to leave the envelope open. I imagine it depends on the prison and staffing levels.

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #753 on: January 25, 2020, 12:52:03 PM »
Prisoners have to leave the envelope open for checking.

Yep, I received several unsealed letters
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #754 on: January 25, 2020, 01:10:32 PM »
I don't think they check all -but it is procedure to leave the envelope open. I imagine it depends on the prison and staffing levels.

... and the integrity of the prison worker tasked with the job
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #755 on: January 25, 2020, 10:39:51 PM »
She claims the letter she was reading from JB.  If this is so he clearly endorsed the whole thing:

https://youtu.be/ZsUyH-5t3S4

She also claims

Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀 Retweeted
Trudi Benjamin
@tru68
3h
Please RT!!
Nevill Bamber called the police at 03.26am and #JeremyBamber called the police at 03.36am as the tragedies unfolded at White House Farm on 07.08.85.
#NewEvidence
#Innocent
#34years
#injustice
https://jeremy-bamber.co.uk/case


Posters may recall the ‘prima facile’ argument made by LM

Anybody reading those logs will deduce, prima facie, that there were two callers not one.  Again, that does not mean there were two callers.  I may even agree with you that there was only one caller, but that is not what the logs say and remember, here we are considering not so much what we as individuals 'think', but the matter of legal doubt. 
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #756 on: January 25, 2020, 11:07:29 PM »
Mark Williams Thomas seems only interested in ££££££££££

“It was a characteristic that struck his own defence team. Ed Lawson, QC, Mr Rivlin's junior at the trial, described how, on the eve of conviction, Bamber was

disconcertingly composed"

and

"talking somewhat unattractively about how much money he would make from selling his story to Fleet Street".
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/past-crimes-the-bamber-files-2046383.html
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #757 on: January 26, 2020, 09:38:16 AM »
🎀 Michelle Diskin Bates 🎀
@Michelle_Diskin
#WhiteHouseFarm The Drama
“...because the Jeremy Bamber I’m playing is a combination of the Jeremy Bamber that I’ve created as an actor, in my imagination...”
Freddie Fox: 'Viewers can decide Jeremy Bamber's guilt' - Radio Times


Not dissimilar to the Barry George she’s ‘created’ from her ‘imagination’ all these years - even ‘Uncle Mike’ (Michael Bourke) agrees https://mobile.twitter.com/Michelle_Diskin/status/1220281763949371392

“I was again concerned he was trying to threaten me.This type of behaviour undermined my belief in him.” (From Mike’s Story- the battle to clear Barry George of the Jill Dando murder) https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ltgorwROQfwC&pg=PA150&lpg=PA150&dq=mikes+story+barry+george+michelle&source=bl&ots=OsB33Lx_9C&sig=ACfU3U2GryxZ0JpVexh3P_ijIoE6WC87TA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjH27OM_KDnAhWFUlAKHWyVCXEQ6AEwAnoECAQQAQ#v=onepage&q=mikes%20story%20barry%20george%20michelle&f=false
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #758 on: January 30, 2020, 11:56:11 AM »
She claims the letter she was reading from JB.  If this is so he clearly endorsed the whole thing:

https://youtu.be/ZsUyH-5t3S4

He may have ‘endorsed’ the ‘whole thing’ but was it Trudi Benjamin’s idea or his?

She once wrote to Russel Brand - was that Bamber’s idea?

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2025.msg62176.html#msg62176
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #759 on: January 30, 2020, 12:28:41 PM »
Bamber campaign calls on ITV to pull ‘dangerous drama’ by Jon Robins 9th Jan 2020

According to Bamber’s lawyer, Mark Newby said that they were concerned that that the drama would ‘place a fictional narrative in the public domain at a time when we have a looming High Court Challenge against the CPS’.

https://www.thejusticegap.com/bamber-campaign-calls-on-itv-to-pull-dangerous-drama/

Would be interested to hear Mark Newbys thoughts on the ‘fictional narrative’ placed in the ‘public domain’ by Bamber and his campaign team

What does he make of the ‘telephones’ issue for example?

It has been suggested that Jeremy deliberately removed the phone from the bedroom that his father slept in so that he could not call the police when Jeremy allegedly broke into the house to kill the family. Firstly, Jeremy could not be responsible for the storm, which had again damaged the telephone equipment. Secondly, is Jeremy expected to remember where each phone was at each moment when he didn’t even live in the house? Is it reasonable to expect Jeremy to know which phones were supposed to be where at this time? Is it not a reasonable assumption that, if the Bamber family's phone were broken, one of the household members would take a phone from the upstairs bedroom and use it to replace the broken one? Particularly if, amongst the piles of untidy clutter littered throughout the house they didn’t know where the spare phone was.
https://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/telephones

What does Mark Newby make of all the contradictions made?

For example, haven’t those campaigning on Bamber’s behalf suggested SC would have known where the guns, silencer and ammo were kept - even though she hadn’t lived at WHF for years and was only visiting ?

Jeremy Bamber
@FreeBamberNow
Jan 24, 2014
Does the media help miscarriages of justice? by Paul May
@JusticeGap
 http://thejusticegap.com/2013/01/what’s-the-media-ever-done-for-us/
@Bambertweets

Trudi Benjamin
@tru68
Replying to
@FloKrause

@FloKrause
@JusticeGap
@FreeBamberNow
@Bambertweets
 #bobwoffinden can't get his facts straight about #jeremybamber http://jeremybamber.blogspot.co.uk/search?q=bob+woffinden
9:37 AM · Jan 24, 2014·Twitter Web Client

https://mobile.twitter.com/tru68/status/426649902081253376

Tuesday, 17 May 2011
"What Bob Woffinden didn't consider"
Those of you who read Bob Woffinden’s article yesterday might want to consider the following:

How does a telephone found by a witness during September over a month after the killings counteract the following evidence which he did not assess when making his judgements:

•It doesn’t illustrate that Sheila was not alive in the house
•It does not counteract the testimony of officers calling to her as they heard her moving around
•Why doesn’t his investigation show that Sheila was not found downstairs in the kitchen
•What of the numerous independent logs stating that the body of a man and a women were found in the kitchen is he proposing that a woman dead for over seven and a half hours moved herself upstairs from the kitchen?
•How does it counteract the conversation with someone inside the farm?
•What about the police outside for almost four hours with a megaphone?
•And of the movement in the window seen by Bews?
•How does he explain the ‘siege’ situation?
•How does the phone explain a dead woman bleeding for over seven hours photographed with her blood still wet?
•And what about the hour missing from the radio logs at the scene why would that be?
•What about the handwritten statements and pocket books from the scene which remain undisclosed?
•How does a telephone in the 2002 appeal ruling have any bearing on evidence released since 2004?

And of course finally why doesn't Bob address the sound moderator which was found tampered with and all of the documents backdated. How can one sound moderator be in two places at once?

Remember Bob did not present a piece based on balanced research, he did not have access to the comprehensive number of Defence documents, despite us offering them to him several times.

To find out the truth based on the evidence about the phones at WHF click here
Posted by Jeremy Bamber at Tuesday, May 17, 2011

https://jeremybamber.blogspot.com/search?q=bob+woffinden
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #760 on: January 30, 2020, 03:25:32 PM »
Tuesday, 17 May 2011
"What Bob Woffinden didn't consider"
Those of you who read Bob Woffinden’s article yesterday might want to consider the following:

How does a telephone found by a witness during September over a month after the killings counteract the following evidence which he did not assess when making his judgements:

•It doesn’t illustrate that Sheila was not alive in the house
•It does not counteract the testimony of officers calling to her as they heard her moving around
•Why doesn’t his investigation show that Sheila was not found downstairs in the kitchen
•What of the numerous independent logs stating that the body of a man and a women were found in the kitchen is he proposing that a woman dead for over seven and a half hours moved herself upstairs from the kitchen?
•How does it counteract the conversation with someone inside the farm?
•What about the police outside for almost four hours with a megaphone?
And of the movement in the window seen by Bews?
•How does he explain the ‘siege’ situation?
•How does the phone explain a dead woman bleeding for over seven hours photographed with her blood still wet?
•And what about the hour missing from the radio logs at the scene why would that be?
•What about the handwritten statements and pocket books from the scene which remain undisclosed?
•How does a telephone in the 2002 appeal ruling have any bearing on evidence released since 2004?

And of course finally why doesn't Bob address the sound moderator which was found tampered with and all of the documents backdated. How can one sound moderator be in two places at once?

Remember Bob did not present a piece based on balanced research, he did not have access to the comprehensive number of Defence documents, despite us offering them to him several times.

To find out the truth based on the evidence about the phones at WHF click here
Posted by Jeremy Bamber at Tuesday, May 17, 2011

https://jeremybamber.blogspot.com/search?q=bob+woffinden

3 years later it’s seen by 3 of them  *&^^& 4 if you include Michelle Diskin Bates
Will be interesting to see how Bamber’s supporters react to ‘crime writer’ Gayle Curtis’ musings
https://www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/jeremy-bambers-revealing-letter-jail-17634522

Bamber writes (12th Dec 2014)


“It is never easy to figure out what it is that could be seen as the worst situation I’ve ever had to cope with. I think that the 7th August 1985 and having to support and care for my cousins Jacqueline and Anthony, my brother in law Colin and the others at my house, whilst having to cope with my own grief over the death of my mum and dad, Sheila the boys Daniel and Nicholas couple with that with grief for letting my dad down in not being able to come to his rescue and confusion over what on earth could have gone so terribly wrong

The effect of that day has been life changing as I’ve been tasked with defending my mum and dads reputation. So many people who have made out that they were so close to my mum and dad and loved them so much have spent 30 years doing everything possible to denigrate my mum and dads characters, doing so to false create a motive for them having been murdered. I have had to put the record straight about what my mum and dad were really like. I am proud to be their son and proud to be setting records straight about what lovely people they were

As to what has stayed with me, a sense of guilt of about what if. That moment at 04.00am when PC Bews, PC Myall and myself watched the silhouette of someone walking in front of the master bedroom window, the main light in the bedroom was on, the curtains completely open - when PC Bews ran back to the police car with PC Myall and myself running after him, why didn’t we run up to the back door and not towards the police car could we have broken in and saved someone or everyone. Why was I so compliant in the presence of police officers so that I did whatever they wanted?

Why was I such a let down and such a weak character when faced with things that morning? It’s left me feeling ashamed  for letting my family down when they obviously needed me the most.

Though my life has been filled with trials and tribulations and no doubt there will be many more yet to come.

Have a great Christmas.

Jeremy


Trudi Benjamin appears to have missed this Freudian slip, though suspect she was too busy defending Bamber following Bob Woffinden’s claims
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #761 on: January 30, 2020, 05:04:14 PM »
In 2011 Bamber claimed
Remember Bob did not present a piece based on balanced research, he did not have access to the comprehensive number of Defence documents, despite us offering them to him several times.
(But Mike T did)

Not dissimilar to what he’s saying now about WHF
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #762 on: January 30, 2020, 06:20:19 PM »
He may have ‘endorsed’ the ‘whole thing’ but was it Trudi Benjamin’s idea or his?

She once wrote to Russel Brand - was that Bamber’s idea?

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2025.msg62176.html#msg62176

Afaik JB has never pulled a stunt like this previously so it may well have been TB's/CT's idea but I guess they run it by JB beforehand.  Utterly deluded if they thought anything positive would come from it in terms of campaigning for JB.  All it did was generate negative publicity rightly so imo.

Russell Brand  @)(++(*  How is RB going to convince 3 appeal court judges that JB's conviction is unsafe?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #763 on: January 30, 2020, 06:42:20 PM »
Afaik JB has never pulled a stunt like this previously so it may well have been TB's/CT's idea but I guess they run it by JB beforehand.  Utterly deluded if they thought anything positive would come from it in terms of campaigning for JB.  All it did was generate negative publicity rightly so imo.

Russell Brand  @)(++(*  How is RB going to convince 3 appeal court judges that JB's conviction is unsafe?

Bamber has 5 murder convictions
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Offline Nicholas

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