The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?

[Nicholas]

The proof will be in the pudding. 

Forensics are looking good though.

I fear you will one day come to eat that "pudding" to which you refer, just as I did. 

[Nicholas]

I disagree.  I think he's very much dictated to by the CT specifically Sarah Hanover who I think is very controlling and alienates a lot of sensible people who are actually able to contribute something worthwhile.

It is people like Sarah Hanover who are the victims and have been alienated by Jeremy Bambers actions, not the other way round Holly!

The Campaign Team are also victims blinded by Jeremy Bamber! Some of these victims have been groomed and psychologically abused for years on end but remain in denial for reasons only known to them.

Your use of the word "controlling" is misplaced and misguided; the one and only controller is Jeremy Bamber!

[Holly Goodhead]

How can Sarah Hanover or any other supporter for that matter alienate Jeremy Bamber?

Please provide evidence for your assertions

I didn't say she alienates JB I said she alienates a lot of sensible people who are able to contribute something worthwhile.  Perhaps alienates is too strong a word but if others come along who are not the type to be controlled and dictated to they will not be embraced as such.  And yes I do have evidence but I'm not prepared to divulge it.

[Nicholas]

I didn't say she alienates JB I said she alienates a lot of sensible people who are able to contribute something worthwhile.  Perhaps alienates is too strong a word but if others come along who are not the type to be controlled and dictated to they will not be embraced as such.  And yes I do have evidence but I'm not prepared to divulge it.

Holly what you are posting is EXACTLY what was once said about me!

Your belief is again misplaced.

I take on board your use of the word "alienate" may be too strong a word but in reality Sarah Hanover and the others have no power over Bamber whatsoever.

Anyone can email or write to Bamber and tell him anything.

Anyone can visit him, following approval etc

[Holly Goodhead]

It is people like Sarah Hanover who are the victims and have been alienated by Jeremy Bambers actions, not the other way round Holly!

The Campaign Team are also victims blinded by Jeremy Bamber! Some of these victims have been groomed and psychologically abused for years on end but remain in denial for reasons only known to them.

Your use of the word "controlling" is misplaced and misguided; the one and only controller is Jeremy Bamber!

No one is forcing the CT to supposedly act on JB's behalf.  They are a group of 6 females and 2 males I believe.  I'm assuming they plan together events like graveside reading and bake-off.  What sort of people could ever think these ideas are good ones to be acted upon?

I sometimes think they see JB as a caged pet. 

[Holly Goodhead]

Holly what you are posting is EXACTLY like what was once said about me!

Your belief is again misplaced.

I take on board your use of the word "alienate may be too strong a word" but in reality Sarah Hanover and the others have no power over Bamber whatsoever.

Anyone can email or write to Bamber and tell him anything.

Anyone can visit him, following approval etc

I've had contact with JB and limited contact with CT.  IMO JB is very much controlled and easily led.

[Nicholas]

No one is forcing the CT to supposedly act on JB's behalf.  They are a group of 6 females and 2 males I believe.  I'm assuming they plan together events like graveside reading and bake-off.  What sort of people could ever think these ideas are good ones to be acted upon?

I sometimes think they see JB as a caged pet.

Look Holly, my character was assassinated

The people behind the assissination of my character were Simon Hall and his family. This is where it all started.

My then at times online irrational behaviour was exploited and used as a weapon against me, in the main by Simon Hall and his family.

[Nicholas]

I've had contact with JB and limited contact with CT.  IMO JB is very much controlled and easily led.

Yep. I get it Holly.

But Bamber's playing a game with you and each and every one of his supporters.

He will have gathered much information about you from your few letters to him. He will have subtly used what you told him and manipulated it to his advantage in order to play you off against his other victims.

[Nicholas]

No one is forcing the CT to supposedly act on JB's behalf.  They are a group of 6 females and 2 males I believe.  I'm assuming they plan together events like graveside reading and bake-off.  What sort of people could ever think these ideas are good ones to be acted upon?

I sometimes think they see JB as a caged pet.

We may come to learn one day Holly that Jeremy Bamber was behind all this.

What sort of person can be exploited and manipulated by a psychopath? Anyone and everyone that's who!

The CT may have been desperate. We don't know all the facts yet. Desperate people do desperate things.

[Nicholas]

I sometimes think they see JB as a caged pet.

Jeremy Bambers life behind bars is most probably more cushy than many people who have not lost their liberty.

I've no idea what your perception of prison is but you only need look at a recent photo of Bamber to see he doesn't have suffering etched across his face, for example.

No bills to pay, no roof to keep over his head. 3 square meals cooked and paid for a day.

Some prisons even provide regular acupuncture for prisoners.

I could go on and on..

[Nicholas]

I sometimes think they see JB as a caged pet.

Have you ever considered this is how Bamber perceives his victims?

[Angelo222]

All personal comments will be removed?

[Nicholas]

I'll be spending less time posting due to taking things forward in the real world.

KD is an irrelevance in the grand scheme of things. 

http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/psychopathy

I don't actually think you see KD as irrelevant but I think I understand why you chose to post what you have.

I'm not your enemy Holly, though I appreciate you may see me as such at times.

I wasn't joking btw about my email to Michael Spurr.

[Nicholas]

All personal comments will be removed?

I've seen David's comment on blue:

"The JB section of that place now consists primarily of an emotional fruitcake and a moderator with Alzheimer’s disease and an alcohol problem. A ghastly place indeed.   ;D

Ignore him Holly, he's a plank. Once a coward always a coward.

[Caroline]

You'll be pleased to hear Holly I shall be addressing this point in my email to Michael Spurr



"Psychopathy?
The recent TV programme on Sky three contained testimony by Ms Kerry Daynes, a psychologist, who misled the viewers into thinking that she had met Jeremy Bamber, had read reports on him, or carried out a diagnosis. She said that he 'showed all the traits of a psychopath'. This is not the case and Ms Daynes’ testimony is incorrect and her remarks are pure fallacy. To read more on Jeremy's psychologist reports click here

This programme made assumptions based on prejudicial witness accounts. Jeremy had homosexual friends, as you or I would today, except that in 1985 if you mixed with 'gay' people you clearly were one. By using Kerry Daynes misleading account of Jeremy ‘wanting to attract attention and this being a trait of a psychopath’, Sky have tricked the audience into believing that this was NOT an attack on Jeremy's sexuality but merely a reflection of psychopathic behaviour. Their argument is not valid, there is no psychopathy, therefore, the implied sexual behaviour of Jeremy was merely normal, and certainly so by today's standards.

As Jeremy said, Kerry Daynes is not a member of the Healthcare Professions Council or the British Psychological Society, nor has she answered letters sent to her business address. Why did Kerry Daynes not state clearly that she had not examined Jeremy Bamber and why did Ofcom not take into account psychological reports that Jeremy was not a psychopath? Their argument appears to be based on this appalling and misleading 'guesswork'. The ruling not only breeds hatred of minority groups but makes a mockery of equality expected within the broadcasting standards of the 21st century. Jeremy's sexuality had no bearing on his conviction and is therefore not in the public interest and never was.

If you would like to air your views on the TV Programme 'Killing Mum and Dad' which was aired on Tuesday 14th September 2010 at 9pm (and also on subsequent days) please contact: Viewer Relations, Sky Services Ltd, PO Box 43, Livingston, West Lothian, EH54 7DD.

You might also want to complain to Ofcom the TV regulator about the programme's misleading content and their subsequent prejudicial ruling. Yesterday's ruling on the programme by Ofcom can be read here (page 43 onwards). Clearly, Ofcom and Sky are suggesting that it is acceptable to ridicule the sexuality of someone, along with their gender. The content of the programme was not reflective of Jeremy Bamber's conviction. The programme presented witnesses whose accounts showed prejudice and it is these foundations upon which the judgments have been made.

Jeremy says:

“As a high profile case, a category ‘A’ prisoner, and a whole life tariff prisoner I have undergone a number of psychological assessments by twenty seven different psychologists. Each carried out numerous tests on me and some interviewed me for twenty hours or more over many weeks.

The most recent assessment of me was carried out in 2009 by Professor Vincent Egan a Chartered Clinical psychologist and senior lecturer in forensic psychology at Leicester University. He was provided with my complete psychological file and all my medical records. He also interviewed me, and I completed various psychological tests before he wrote his report on me.

His conclusion is that I am not a psychopath. During the last quarter of a century and twenty seven different psychologists, not a single one of these experts has concluded that I show any traits consistent with psychopathy.

On the ‘Hare’ psychopathy test it was concluded that 95% of the population show more psychopathic traits than I do. I have also had 3 P.C.L.R tests that are designed specifically to reveal psychopathy and all 3 concluded the same, I am not a psychopath. Nor do I have any personality disorder.

Interestingly, I have just received a letter from the British Psychological Society. MS Kerry Daynes is no longer a member of the society and they have suggested that I should complain to the health professions council, curiously, they confirm she is not registered with them either. Mail sent to her address is returned as 'gone away'.”

Remember that prisoners, particularly those convicted of murder, are very easy targets to make up lies about. Jeremy needs people on the outside to make a stand for him.

Minority groups?  Is that mass murders, psychopaths or whole life tariff inmates? (Incidentally, this err 'minority group' has earned two more members!).

His account of his psychological assessment history is also misleading and he knows that! Why the need to mislead?