The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?

[Holly Goodhead]

This has to be one of the best from Jackie(D)elicious:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9380.msg438435.html#msg438435

Ngb is right. I think the campaign team seem to treat Jeremy as their property.
  Some people have helped Jeremy so much financially and with their precious time and it seems as soon as anyone shows independently they can help Jeremy overturn his conviction they are frozen out
It’s unacceptable behaviour and unbelievable that they can play with Jeremy’s life the way they do
There are no words

Jackie is the 'D' for Doris?   

[ActualMat]

This has to be one of the best from Jackie(D)elicious:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9380.msg438435.html#msg438435

Ngb is right. I think the campaign team seem to treat Jeremy as their property.
  Some people have helped Jeremy so much financially and with their precious time and it seems as soon as anyone shows independently they can help Jeremy overturn his conviction they are frozen out
It’s unacceptable behaviour and unbelievable that they can play with Jeremy’s life the way they do
There are no words

Jackie is the 'D' for Doris?   

Diane 

[adam]

Supporters who are not in contact with Bamber or part of the OS/CT will post on the Blue forum instead. 

Mike was discarded by Bamber years ago. Nigel is new on the scene but Bamber would reject any advances from him. Nugs, Roch & Lookout have never done anything away from the forum.

David tried to get into Bamber's inner circle with his 2016 'forensic evidence breakthrough,' . He then claimed he went to a meeting with Bamber's legal advisors. This obviously did not happen as he still posts on Blue.  Last week admitting 'I investigate this case on my own terms in my own time.'

Trudie stopped posting on Blue in 2012 upon the instruction of Bamber. He would have also told her to stop the weekly vlogs. Which was a pity as I enjoyed them.

[Nicholas]

I think it's shameless the way the CT have latched on to the case of Liam Allan and are using his name and face to promote Bamber! I guess they think they are being subtle - they AREN'T! Think he's been through enough FFS!

http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2017/dec/19/police-non-disclosure-should-lead-to-reform

Do you think the Campaign Team put the idea into Peter Tatchells head?

Maybe someone should contact Peter Tatchell here http://www.petertatchellfoundation.org/jeremy-bamber-police-evidence-withheld-32-years/ and explain how he has been manipulated?

[Nicholas]

This has to be one of the best from Jackie(D)elicious:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9380.msg438435.html#msg438435

Ngb is right. I think the campaign team seem to treat Jeremy as their property.
  Some people have helped Jeremy so much financially and with their precious time and it seems as soon as anyone shows independently they can help Jeremy overturn his conviction they are frozen out
It’s unacceptable behaviour and unbelievable that they can play with Jeremy’s life the way they do
There are no words

Jackie is the 'D' for Doris?   

I not sure I entirely agree with this Holly.

This is what Daisy stated:

"Many have never written, spoken to or met him.  This is why I have decided to share with you the friendship I have had with Jeremy for almost three years. He was, I thought one of my dearest and closest friends but I seriously misjudged this man.  This will probably be a long post so I will do it in chunks so you don't get bored!
I started writing to Jeremy sometime ago after reading new information about the case and feeling that all didn't seem right.  I live not far from Essex so have always read about his case in the local papers.  I very soon became involved in the Campaign and typed some of the documents for his last CCRC submissions.  I have also done all I can to ask those in power to listen and have written to my MP,  the Prime Minister,the MOJ, the Home Secretary, CPS, IPCC etc.  I have had conversations with officials at the CCRC and also exchanged emails and spoken on the phone to Professional Standards at Essex Police. I also phoned some of the scientists who examined the sound moderator who were very pleasant towards me but adament they had come to the right conclusion. The Campaign Team told me that I was getting more results and responses than themselves.  When the Campaign mysteriously closed down for a while, I never heard from them again and my emails went unanswered. 


Daisy states "the Campaign mysteriously closed down for a while"

Daisy doesn't say why the Campaign closed down for a while or indeed what she means by this or why she thought it was mysterious?

What happened for her to think this in the first instance and did she find out who was at the bottom of it?

How did Daisy come to the conclusion that the Campaign mysteriously closed down for a while?

Because I have a suspicion Jeremy Bamber was behind the way Daisy was treated; IMO this in not dissimilar to the Stephanie Bon/Simon Hall family fiasco.

I'm of the firm belief Daisy witnessed Bamber when his mask of sanity slipped and after that Bamber went all out in an attempt to discredit Daisy in order to keep the heat off of him.

Daisy states "I seriously misjudged this man" and she goes on in further posts saying why she seriously misjudged Bamber.

The fact Daisy found the courage to post publicly about all this gives me with the impression Jeremy Bamber had to attempt to destroy her credibility.

It's clear from her posts she was at one time very much involved in helping Bamber, and as she states, she was getting results for him.

But what was it that Jeremy Ba,beer didn't like about the results she was getting for him?

Did he back track?

Did he slip up again?

What was in those CCRC submissions Daisy typed out for him?

He clearly wasn't happy with something and I would suggest it was more than just the money.

[Nicholas]

This has to be one of the best from Jackie(D)elicious:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9380.msg438435.html#msg438435

Ngb is right. I think the campaign team seem to treat Jeremy as their property.
  Some people have helped Jeremy so much financially and with their precious time and it seems as soon as anyone shows independently they can help Jeremy overturn his conviction they are frozen out
It’s unacceptable behaviour and unbelievable that they can play with Jeremy’s life the way they do
There are no words

Jackie is the 'D' for Doris?   

Daisy goes on:

"Jeremy and I spoke on the phone two or three times a week and I sent him a generous monthly allowance. 

We shared our hopes and dreams and I always told him he was an extended part of my family.  I just wanted him to feel that he belonged and I told him I would always support him no matter what. 

He always told me I was one of his closest friends and one of the only people he could trust. 

When I went on holiday, he made me promise to email him, he always phoned me on Christmas day and I truly believed our friendship was genuine. 

I continued to do whatever I could to help him, even tracking down a retired senior Essex Police Officer for his help which he initially said he would do, then asked me never to contact him again! 

Jeremy has sent me many documents which have never been in the public domain but I can say that none of them absolutely proved his innocence. There is one though, which indicates that there MAY have been life inside the house while Jeremy was outside but that needs investigating further.

Jeremy is witty, makes me laugh and usually cheeful in spite of the conditions he lives under.I discovered though that he has a dark side. 

He was often very evasive when I asked him questions about the case and if I ever disagreed with a piece of evidence or events, he would turn on me and shout and swear. 

He told me lots of lies and in the end I took everything he said with a pinch of salt. 

On my birthday last year, he sent me a lovely card telling me what a special friend I was and he promised to be with me to celebrate in 2014.  Then things changed drasticall between us





Daisy quite clearly hasn't made any of this up, she has no reason to do so.

But what she has done is describe the same man Julie Mugford and surviving family relatives described. The same man many of us have described.

I remain firm in my opinion that it is Jeremy Bamber who treats the Campaign Team as HIS property, NOT the other way round.

The difference with the other CT members is they do not have Daisy's courage or strength to stand up and be counted.


To recap:

Daisy sent Bamber a generous monthly allowance
They shared their hopes and dreams
She was one of his closest friends and one of the only people he could trust
When she went on holiday, he made her promise to email him
Jeremy is witty, made her laugh and usually cheeful in spite of the conditions he lives under
She discovered though that he has a dark side
He was often very evasive when she asked him questions about the case and if she ever disagreed with a piece of evidence or events, he would turn on her and shout and swear. 
He told her lots of lies and in the end she took everything he said with a pinch of salt
On her birthday last year, he sent her a lovely card telling her what a special friend she was, then things changed drasticall between them

[Nicholas]

This has to be one of the best from Jackie(D)elicious:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9380.msg438435.html#msg438435

Ngb is right. I think the campaign team seem to treat Jeremy as their property.
  Some people have helped Jeremy so much financially and with their precious time and it seems as soon as anyone shows independently they can help Jeremy overturn his conviction they are frozen out
It’s unacceptable behaviour and unbelievable that they can play with Jeremy’s life the way they do
There are no words

Jackie is the 'D' for Doris?   

I suspect when Trudi Benjamin recognises Jeremy Bamber for the psychopath he is, if she hasn't done so already, she will speak out just as Daisy has done

[Nicholas]

Daisy continues:
"In September he phoned me and said he and the Campaign Team wanted me to pay for the new forensics tests.  He demanded I send him £4,000.  Before answering "no" I asked him who the scientists were as I wanted to check out their credentials.  He told me to mind my own business and just pay up.  He said if I didn't have the funds available then I should take out a bank loan.  He was very threatening and abusive.  When I started getting upset he shouted at me "stop playing the F*****ng victim."  I was so worried and concerned, I phoned the prison and discussed this call.  For anyone out there who thinks I may be telling lies, the prison confirmed that this call was recorded and retained so I have the proof.
I had already arranged a visit for October and went as planned and intended to discuss this matter with him.  He was quite unpleasant and told me he had never liked me and would never want me as a friend, along with other very hurtful remarks.  He told me himself that he had sacked Simon McKay.  I tried to talk some sense into him but he said "everyone plays to my tune or I dispose of them".   That appears to have been a lie as Simon claims to still be working for him.  I now realise I was there purely for the money.  I didn't turn up for the afternoon visit.
Back home, I wrote to Jeremy telling him how devastated I was that our friendship was a complete farce on his behalf and I was heartbroken that I was forced to walk away from him.  I have given him three months to reply and all I wanted was an apology and an explanation as to why he had lied to me for three years, pretending he was my friend.  This is why I have decided to tell my story as I don't want anyone else to be hurt by Jeremy.  I feel so guilty abandoning him but what choice did I have?  Andrea and Goatboy have got it absolutely spot on when they say Jeremy uses and abuses friends and then tosses them aside.  I feel desperately sorry for him.


I think it was Jeremy Bamber who wanted Daisy to pay for the tests NOT him and the campaign team. I think he uses the CT for leverage

I will go further and say I imagine Bamber treats each and every one of the CT members as he has done with Daisy but they either make excuses for him, are serving their own agendas, or are too afraid to speak out.

Well done to Daisy for speaking out 

[Caroline]

Do you think the Campaign Team put the idea into Peter Tatchells head?

Maybe someone should contact Peter Tatchell here http://www.petertatchellfoundation.org/jeremy-bamber-police-evidence-withheld-32-years/ and explain how he has been manipulated?

No, personally, I would be surprised if Liam Allan knows his face is on Bamber's official site. In my opinion it seems to be a clever manipulation of Liam's story using HIS face to legitimate Bambers cause.

I can understand why they are using the 'non-disclosure' aspect to promote Bamber but using Liam Allan's face (who is clearly a MOJ victim) is naughty. If they asked permission then fine but going on past exploits - I doubt they bothered!

[Nicholas]

No, personally, I would be surprised if Liam Allan knows his face is on Bamber's official site. In my opinion it seems to be a clever manipulation of Liam's story using HIS face to legitimate Bambers cause.

Here are Mr Allan's legal teams details as of Jan 2018, for anyone who may be interested.

"Simone Meerabux, a partner at the law firm Lam & Meerabux in Croydon, said she was disappointed by the joint Metropolitan police-Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) report into the case of Liam Allan and added that he would probably seek compensation.https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jan/30/met-police-and-cps-apologise-to-man-after-collapse-of-case

I don't think it's a clever manipulation tactic but it is most definitely a manipulation tactic!

I agree with you Caroline; it's sick! As if Mr Allen hasn't been through enough now to be linked by his case and photograph to a mass murderer!? But it is a manipulation tactic deployed by many of those in the MOJ community.

[Nicholas]

Daisy continues:
"In September he phoned me and said he and the Campaign Team wanted me to pay for the new forensics tests.  He demanded I send him £4,000.  Before answering "no" I asked him who the scientists were as I wanted to check out their credentials.  He told me to mind my own business and just pay up.  He said if I didn't have the funds available then I should take out a bank loan.  He was very threatening and abusive.  When I started getting upset he shouted at me "stop playing the F*****ng victim."  I was so worried and concerned, I phoned the prison and discussed this call.  For anyone out there who thinks I may be telling lies, the prison confirmed that this call was recorded and retained so I have the proof.
I had already arranged a visit for October and went as planned and intended to discuss this matter with him.  He was quite unpleasant and told me he had never liked me and would never want me as a friend, along with other very hurtful remarks.  He told me himself that he had sacked Simon McKay.  I tried to talk some sense into him but he said "everyone plays to my tune or I dispose of them".   That appears to have been a lie as Simon claims to still be working for him.  I now realise I was there purely for the money.  I didn't turn up for the afternoon visit.
Back home, I wrote to Jeremy telling him how devastated I was that our friendship was a complete farce on his behalf and I was heartbroken that I was forced to walk away from him.  I have given him three months to reply and all I wanted was an apology and an explanation as to why he had lied to me for three years, pretending he was my friend.  This is why I have decided to tell my story as I don't want anyone else to be hurt by Jeremy.  I feel so guilty abandoning him but what choice did I have?  Andrea and Goatboy have got it absolutely spot on when they say Jeremy uses and abuses friends and then tosses them aside.  I feel desperately sorry for him.


I think it was Jeremy Bamber who wanted Daisy to pay for the tests NOT him and the campaign team. I think he uses the CT for leverage

I will go further and say I imagine Bamber treats each and every one of the CT members as he has done with Daisy but they either make excuses for him, are serving their own agendas, or are too afraid to speak out.

Well done to Daisy for speaking out 

The other question of course is did Bamber need £4000 for tests or was this all part of the con?

I've seen no evidence for his claims.

[Nicholas]

Do you think the Campaign Team put the idea into Peter Tatchells head?

Maybe someone should contact Peter Tatchell here http://www.petertatchellfoundation.org/jeremy-bamber-police-evidence-withheld-32-years/ and explain how he has been manipulated?

I imagine if Peter Tachell learned of the fact a Jeremy Bamber supporter has made public death threats towards Bambers surviving victims, as a human rights campaigner he would quite possible drop all association?

Same applies to Kerry Daynes and what she has gone though to date. http://www.itv.com/news/2018-04-19/strangers-website-offer-escalated-to-terrifying-stalking-ordeal-for-tv-forensic-psychologist-kerry-daynes/

Allegedly started by a Jeremy Bamber supporter?

Jeremy Bamber gives his views on Kerry Daynes her http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/psychopathy

And Kerry Daynes alledgly states:

She said:
“I have had problems from supporters of serial killers, torturers
and rapists.
“There has been some unwanted attention and I even had to take an injunction
out on someone who was stalking me.
“It is still ongoing at court but I came to the attention of someone connected
to mass murderer Jeremy Bamber.
“They were constantly pestering me on the internet and I had to take legal
action.
“It is scary but generally, by and large, people who recognise me tend to just
be interested in what I do.”
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/tv/1031939/murder-expert-says-she-is-being-stalked/


"Reoffending rates have also increased under the Conservatives’ tenure and the government was heavily criticised for putting the public at risk and increasing the number of convicts recalled to jail by part-privatising the probation service.
Mr Wheatley said the existence of a nationwide prisons crisis unleashed by the failures was “undeniable”, with the staggering rise in violence starting in 2013. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/prisons-uk-jails-crisis-cuts-conservatives-david-gauke-phil-wheatley-a8318806.html


Jeremy Bamber is at present being allowed to reoffend on a considerable scale. Coercive control is a crime http://rightsofwomen.org.uk/get-information/violence-against-women-and-international-law/coercive-control-and-the-law/

I wonder how long it takes before Her Majesty’s Prison & Probation Service intervene in relation to prisoners like Bamber and how long it is before reforms are put in place in order to put an end to these prisoners manipulation and exploitation of members of the public?

[Nicholas]

Presumably in relation to Trudi Benjamin, Lookout states:
"At least the woman has put her money where her mouth is which is more than anyone else has done to set the ball rolling for Jeremy.

NGB replies with: "Not quite right lookout.  Others have also made serious efforts.

NGB then states:
"There have been a number of people who have at different times contributed a lot in terms of both time and effort and also money.  Some have publicly supported JB, others have supported behind the scenes.  Unfortunately jealousy and petty internal politics sometimes gets in the way. http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9380.msg438465.html#msg438465

There have been a number of people who Jeremy Bamber has conned and jealousy and petty internal politics has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

The petty and jealous individual behind it ALL is Jeremy Bamber!

NGB was conned by Bamber he just doesn't have the guts to openly admit so on the forum he moderates and like some of Bambers victims before him, he attempts to make excuses and blame others in the hope it will deflect from the facts.

[Nicholas]

Presumably in relation to Trudi Benjamin, Lookout states:
"At least the woman has put her money where her mouth is which is more than anyone else has done to set the ball rolling for Jeremy.

NGB replies with: "Not quite right lookout.  Others have also made serious efforts.

NGB then states:
"There have been a number of people who have at different times contributed a lot in terms of both time and effort and also money.  Some have publicly supported JB, others have supported behind the scenes.  Unfortunately jealousy and petty internal politics sometimes gets in the way. http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9380.msg438465.html#msg438465

There have been a number of people who Jeremy Bamber has conned and jealousy and petty internal politics has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

The petty and jealous individual behind it ALL is Jeremy Bamber!

NGB was conned by Bamber he just doesn't have the guts to openly admit so on the forum he moderates and like some of Bambers victims before him, he attempts to make excuses and blame others in the hope it will deflect from the facts.

Lookout goes on to state:
"She's gone about some things the wrong way nugs. Instead of doing " bake-offs and graveside visits " she'd have been as well beginning from the real heart of the matter without any " flowery " bits. People aren't interested or are put off by what they'd class as a " psychopathic child murderer " being involved in such fripperies-------------it doesn't gel even if he were guilty.
Trudi may have got the message of late by seemingly abandoning her " Vlogs " and having less to say on the more lighter side to this crime which added nothing to the job in hand.


How do any of us know Jeremy Bamber wasn't behind it all?

Surely Trudi Benjamin and company sought his permission before doing what they did?

[Nicholas]

Do you think the Campaign Team put the idea into Peter Tatchells head?

Maybe someone should contact Peter Tatchell here http://www.petertatchellfoundation.org/jeremy-bamber-police-evidence-withheld-32-years/ and explain how he has been manipulated?

The Peter Tatchell foundation can be contacted here http://www.petertatchellfoundation.org/contact/