The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?

[Angelo222]

Daisy continues:
"In September he phoned me and said he and the Campaign Team wanted me to pay for the new forensics tests.  He demanded I send him £4,000.  Before answering "no" I asked him who the scientists were as I wanted to check out their credentials.  He told me to mind my own business and just pay up.  He said if I didn't have the funds available then I should take out a bank loan.  He was very threatening and abusive.  When I started getting upset he shouted at me "stop playing the F*****ng victim."  I was so worried and concerned, I phoned the prison and discussed this call.  For anyone out there who thinks I may be telling lies, the prison confirmed that this call was recorded and retained so I have the proof.
I had already arranged a visit for October and went as planned and intended to discuss this matter with him.  He was quite unpleasant and told me he had never liked me and would never want me as a friend, along with other very hurtful remarks.  He told me himself that he had sacked Simon McKay.  I tried to talk some sense into him but he said "everyone plays to my tune or I dispose of them".   That appears to have been a lie as Simon claims to still be working for him.  I now realise I was there purely for the money.  I didn't turn up for the afternoon visit.
Back home, I wrote to Jeremy telling him how devastated I was that our friendship was a complete farce on his behalf and I was heartbroken that I was forced to walk away from him.  I have given him three months to reply and all I wanted was an apology and an explanation as to why he had lied to me for three years, pretending he was my friend.  This is why I have decided to tell my story as I don't want anyone else to be hurt by Jeremy.  I feel so guilty abandoning him but what choice did I have?  Andrea and Goatboy have got it absolutely spot on when they say Jeremy uses and abuses friends and then tosses them aside.  I feel desperately sorry for him.


I think it was Jeremy Bamber who wanted Daisy to pay for the tests NOT him and the campaign team. I think he uses the CT for leverage

I will go further and say I imagine Bamber treats each and every one of the CT members as he has done with Daisy but they either make excuses for him, are serving their own agendas, or are too afraid to speak out.

Well done to Daisy for speaking out 

In my view Bamber is extremely dangerous and an expert manipulator.  Surely it's time the authorities blocked all communications emanating from this murdering b........ thus ensuring that he doesn't rip off any other women.  I cannot see Bamber ever being released because of his activities.

[Nicholas]

In my view Bamber is extremely dangerous and an expert manipulator.  Surely it's time the authorities blocked all communications emanating from this murdering b........ thus ensuring that he doesn't rip off any other women.  I cannot see Bamber ever being released because of his activities.

Agreed Angelo222!

David Gauke is the person to complain to https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/transparency-of-the-parole-board-and-victim-support

Whilst Daisy wishes to remain annoynous, those opposed to Jeremy Bamber's attempts at being above the law, could include Daisy's posts regsrding Bamber to support their complaint.

UK prisons have a duty of care to the public and their duty is to ensure men like Jeremy Bamber do not pose a risk to the public. Risk factors do not just include risks to life and limb, there are the psychological risk factors also.

A judical review into Jeremy Bambers psychological risks to the public should be called for IMO.

He was after all branded by the trial Judge as being "evil beyond belief."

The problem of course is that many of Jeremy Bamber's victims (precious supporters) do not understand psychopathy and that these "evil" men can appear like you and I. Rather than recognise his psychopathy they excuse it, because of their lack of understanding into these dangerous and highly disordered individuals.

Actions of course speak louder than words.

[Nicholas]

In my view Bamber is extremely dangerous and an expert manipulator.  Surely it's time the authorities blocked all communications emanating from this murdering b........ thus ensuring that he doesn't rip off any other women.  I cannot see Bamber ever being released because of his activities.

And men 

[Nicholas]

I imagine if Peter Tachell learned of the fact a Jeremy Bamber supporter has made public death threats towards Bambers surviving victims, as a human rights campaigner he would quite possible drop all association?

Same applies to Kerry Daynes and what she has gone though to date. http://www.itv.com/news/2018-04-19/strangers-website-offer-escalated-to-terrifying-stalking-ordeal-for-tv-forensic-psychologist-kerry-daynes/

Allegedly started by a Jeremy Bamber supporter?

Jeremy Bamber gives his views on Kerry Daynes her http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/psychopathy

And Kerry Daynes alledgly states:

She said:
“I have had problems from supporters of serial killers, torturers
and rapists.
“There has been some unwanted attention and I even had to take an injunction
out on someone who was stalking me.
“It is still ongoing at court but I came to the attention of someone connected
to mass murderer Jeremy Bamber.
“They were constantly pestering me on the internet and I had to take legal
action.
“It is scary but generally, by and large, people who recognise me tend to just
be interested in what I do.”
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/tv/1031939/murder-expert-says-she-is-being-stalked/


"Reoffending rates have also increased under the Conservatives’ tenure and the government was heavily criticised for putting the public at risk and increasing the number of convicts recalled to jail by part-privatising the probation service.
Mr Wheatley said the existence of a nationwide prisons crisis unleashed by the failures was “undeniable”, with the staggering rise in violence starting in 2013. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/prisons-uk-jails-crisis-cuts-conservatives-david-gauke-phil-wheatley-a8318806.html


Jeremy Bamber is at present being allowed to reoffend on a considerable scale. Coercive control is a crime http://rightsofwomen.org.uk/get-information/violence-against-women-and-international-law/coercive-control-and-the-law/

I wonder how long it takes before Her Majesty’s Prison & Probation Service intervene in relation to prisoners like Bamber and how long it is before reforms are put in place in order to put an end to these prisoners manipulation and exploitation of members of the public?

Nigel's death threats cannot be erased. They were posted by Nigel and he continues today:

"Yes Lookout, but they (mugford, boutflour, eaton) will find this a flippin' problem...

Nigel resembles Kerry Daynes harasser/stalker in many ways IMO, though of course Nigel has made direct death threats on a public forum dedicated to claiming Jeremy Bamber is innocent.

Nigel also states:
"We have the makings of a 'Best of Jeremy Bamber 33 years' CD
I vote all proceeds should go towards MUGFORD'S, DAVID BOUTFLOUR's AND ANN EATON'S food parcels.
I have a kind heart.

[Holly Goodhead]

Angelo222/Sephanie

I'm not sure exactly what it is you're unhappy about?  Is it against the law?  If not then what's the problem? 

Apart from tiny communities on 2/3 forums, the CT and a few people closely affiliated no one is remotely interested in Jeremy Bamber.  It's not a hot topic of conversation up and down the country. Compare the numbers at any one time contributing/visiting the MM board compared with this one. 

[Daisy]

I not sure I entirely agree with this Holly.

This is what Daisy stated:

"Many have never written, spoken to or met him.  This is why I have decided to share with you the friendship I have had with Jeremy for almost three years. He was, I thought one of my dearest and closest friends but I seriously misjudged this man.  This will probably be a long post so I will do it in chunks so you don't get bored!
I started writing to Jeremy sometime ago after reading new information about the case and feeling that all didn't seem right.  I live not far from Essex so have always read about his case in the local papers.  I very soon became involved in the Campaign and typed some of the documents for his last CCRC submissions.  I have also done all I can to ask those in power to listen and have written to my MP,  the Prime Minister,the MOJ, the Home Secretary, CPS, IPCC etc.  I have had conversations with officials at the CCRC and also exchanged emails and spoken on the phone to Professional Standards at Essex Police. I also phoned some of the scientists who examined the sound moderator who were very pleasant towards me but adament they had come to the right conclusion. The Campaign Team told me that I was getting more results and responses than themselves.  When the Campaign mysteriously closed down for a while, I never heard from them again and my emails went unanswered. 


Daisy states "the Campaign mysteriously closed down for a while"

Daisy doesn't say why the Campaign closed down for a while or indeed what she means by this or why she thought it was mysterious?

What happened for her to think this in the first instance and did she find out who was at the bottom of it?

How did Daisy come to the conclusion that the Campaign mysteriously closed down for a while?

Because I have a suspicion Jeremy Bamber was behind the way Daisy was treated; IMO this in not dissimilar to the Stephanie Bon/Simon Hall family fiasco.

I'm of the firm belief Daisy witnessed Bamber when his mask of sanity slipped and after that Bamber went all out in an attempt to discredit Daisy in order to keep the heat off of him.

Daisy states "I seriously misjudged this man" and she goes on in further posts saying why she seriously misjudged Bamber.

The fact Daisy found the courage to post publicly about all this gives me with the impression Jeremy Bamber had to attempt to destroy her credibility.

It's clear from her posts she was at one time very much involved in helping Bamber, and as she states, she was getting results for him.

But what was it that Jeremy Ba,beer didn't like about the results she was getting for him?

Did he back track?

Did he slip up again?

What was in those CCRC submissions Daisy typed out for him?

He clearly wasn't happy with something and I would suggest it was more than just the money.

I understand the reason the Campaign closed for a while is Jeremy told me that a former supporter had attacked the premises.  The team at that time were working in a business and supporting Jeremy at the same time.  He told me that they had to move premises as a result of the attack.

I typed out the last CCRC submissions which I believe are in the public domain.  The CCRC turned down the application and then Jeremy went to Judicial Review.

It was mostly the money and the worrying part of it, he asked me to pay it into Simon McKay's private bank account!!  Surely this is illegal and they should have a client account within the business.  I wrote to Simon stating that I thought this was illegal and strangely enough never had a reply.

[adam]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9415.msg438483.html#msg438483

Here is Nigel's latest thread. Not sure how this or his 'countdown' thread shows Bamber is innocent. But everyone has their roles on the forum
 
Nugs blames Robert Boutflour & Mike has his theories. David is more of a Bamber defender. Foucusing on a guilter with his images, posters, 'gish gash' posts or former quotes, if anything which incriminates Bamber is posted.

[Nicholas]

I understand the reason the Campaign closed for a while is Jeremy told me that a former supporter had attacked the premises.  The team at that time were working in a business and supporting Jeremy at the same time.  He told me that they had to move premises as a result of the attack.

I typed out the last CCRC submissions which I believe are in the public domain.  The CCRC turned down the application and then Jeremy went to Judicial Review.

It was mostly the money and the worrying part of it, he asked me to pay it into Simon McKay's private bank account!!  Surely this is illegal and they should have a client account within the business.  I wrote to Simon stating that I thought this was illegal and strangely enough never had a reply.

Thank you for clarifying this Daisy! It's good to see you posting again!

Did he give you Simon McKays bank details? I know nothing about Simon McKay but I do know not all solicitors are what they say they are.

This is interesting Daisy.

You have my full support exposing the truth regarding Bamber, as I'm sure you have with many members here. You were victimised by Bamber of that there is no doubt.

Well done you for having the courage to speak out!

[Nicholas]

I understand the reason the Campaign closed for a while is Jeremy told me that a former supporter had attacked the premises.  The team at that time were working in a business and supporting Jeremy at the same time.  He told me that they had to move premises as a result of the attack.

I typed out the last CCRC submissions which I believe are in the public domain.  The CCRC turned down the application and then Jeremy went to Judicial Review.

It was mostly the money and the worrying part of it, he asked me to pay it into Simon McKay's private bank account!!  Surely this is illegal and they should have a client account within the business.  I wrote to Simon stating that I thought this was illegal and strangely enough never had a reply.

Do you mean Bambers supporters were running the campaign from their then place of work or have I misunderstood you?

[Nicholas]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9415.msg438483.html#msg438483

Here is Nigel's latest thread. Not sure how this or his 'countdown' thread shows Bamber is innocent. But everyone has their roles on the forum
 
Nugs blames Robert Boutflour & Mike has his theories. David is more of a Bamber defender. Foucusing on a guilter with his images, posters, 'gish gash' posts or former quotes, if anything which incriminates Bamber is posted.

Nigel's behaviour is criminal IMO Adam and I'm surprised he hasn't been reported to the police for his death threats towards Jeremy Bambers surviving victims.

Someone also needs to bring this fact to Jeremy Bamber, his prisoner governor as well as the Justice Secretary etc..

[Angelo222]

I understand the reason the Campaign closed for a while is Jeremy told me that a former supporter had attacked the premises.  The team at that time were working in a business and supporting Jeremy at the same time.  He told me that they had to move premises as a result of the attack.

I typed out the last CCRC submissions which I believe are in the public domain.  The CCRC turned down the application and then Jeremy went to Judicial Review.

It was mostly the money and the worrying part of it, he asked me to pay it into Simon McKay's private bank account!!  Surely this is illegal and they should have a client account within the business.  I wrote to Simon stating that I thought this was illegal and strangely enough never had a reply.

Daisy, I don't know why you ever got involved with Jeremy Bamber, I have never met him but I still know he is a monster and most certainly not to be trusted.

[Nicholas]

I understand the reason the Campaign closed for a while is Jeremy told me that a former supporter had attacked the premises.  The team at that time were working in a business and supporting Jeremy at the same time.  He told me that they had to move premises as a result of the attack.

I typed out the last CCRC submissions which I believe are in the public domain.  The CCRC turned down the application and then Jeremy went to Judicial Review.

It was mostly the money and the worrying part of it, he asked me to pay it into Simon McKay's private bank account!!  Surely this is illegal and they should have a client account within the business.  I wrote to Simon stating that I thought this was illegal and strangely enough never had a reply.

We're the police involved Daisy?

If so the police have a duty to update MAPPA (and/or related systems) to ensure all those involved with the life sentence prisoner are aware.

[Angelo222]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9415.msg438483.html#msg438483

Here is Nigel's latest thread. Not sure how this or his 'countdown' thread shows Bamber is innocent. But everyone has their roles on the forum
 
Nugs blames Robert Boutflour & Mike has his theories. David is more of a Bamber defender. Foucusing on a guilter with his images, posters, 'gish gash' posts or former quotes, if anything which incriminates Bamber is posted.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if one of them was called Brett.

As to Simon McKay, he quickly distanced himself from any association with Bamber as soon as his name started to appear across the www.  You might have noticed that any threads on here have been archived.

[Nicholas]

As to Simon McKay, he quickly distanced himself from any association with Bamber as soon as his name started to appear across the www. 

I know nothing about Simon McKay but am interested in what Bamber is alleged to have told Daisy. Did Simon McKay deny this?

It was mostly the money and the worrying part of it, he asked me to pay it into Simon McKay's private bank account!!  Surely this is illegal and they should have a client account within the business.  I wrote to Simon stating that I thought this was illegal and strangely enough never had a reply.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5307.msg188578#msg188578

[adam]

David is lucky he is allowed to post his images, posters & 'gish gash' posts. Every other forum I have seen, it wouldn't be allowed.