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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #345 on: May 02, 2018, 02:20:28 PM »
I understand the reason the Campaign closed for a while is Jeremy told me that a former supporter had attacked the premises.  The team at that time were working in a business and supporting Jeremy at the same time.  He told me that they had to move premises as a result of the attack.

I typed out the last CCRC submissions which I believe are in the public domain.  The CCRC turned down the application and then Jeremy went to Judicial Review.

It was mostly the money and the worrying part of it, he asked me to pay it into Simon McKay's private bank account!!  Surely this is illegal and they should have a client account within the business.  I wrote to Simon stating that I thought this was illegal and strangely enough never had a reply.

Were you given Simon McKays bank details Daisy or do you think Jeremy Bamber lied again?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #346 on: May 02, 2018, 02:22:26 PM »
It wouldn't surprise me in the least if one of them was called Brett.

Brett Collins? What makes you think that? Surely he distanced himself from Bamber over 3 decades ago and has kept away ever since?
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Offline Angelo222

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #347 on: May 02, 2018, 02:27:30 PM »
Brett Collins? What makes you think that? Surely he distanced himself from Bamber over 3 decades ago and has kept away ever since?

I doubt it very much.  I tracked him down a while back and his criminal exploits still follow him.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #348 on: May 02, 2018, 02:35:06 PM »
I doubt it very much.  I tracked him down a while back and his criminal exploits still follow him.

Oh, are you referring to another Brett?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #349 on: May 02, 2018, 02:36:46 PM »
Jeremy Bambers supporters give the public a good understanding in relation to Bambers character http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1989.msg61889.html#msg61889
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #350 on: May 02, 2018, 02:42:04 PM »
I understand the reason the Campaign closed for a while is Jeremy told me that a former supporter had attacked the premises.  The team at that time were working in a business and supporting Jeremy at the same time.  He told me that they had to move premises as a result of the attack.

I typed out the last CCRC submissions which I believe are in the public domain.  The CCRC turned down the application and then Jeremy went to Judicial Review.

It was mostly the money and the worrying part of it, he asked me to pay it into Simon McKay's private bank account!!  Surely this is illegal and they should have a client account within the business.  I wrote to Simon stating that I thought this was illegal and strangely enough never had a reply.

What attack Daisy?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #351 on: May 02, 2018, 02:47:06 PM »
In my view Bamber is extremely dangerous and an expert manipulator.  Surely it's time the authorities blocked all communications emanating from this murdering b........ thus ensuring that he doesn't rip off any other women.  I cannot see Bamber ever being released because of his activities.

This has been said for years http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=423.msg16264#msg16264



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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #352 on: May 02, 2018, 02:54:28 PM »
Nigel's death threats cannot be erased. They were posted by Nigel and he continues today:

"Yes Lookout, but they (mugford, boutflour, eaton) will find this a flippin' problem...

Nigel resembles Kerry Daynes harasser/stalker in many ways IMO, though of course Nigel has made direct death threats on a public forum dedicated to claiming Jeremy Bamber is innocent.

Nigel also states:
"We have the makings of a 'Best of Jeremy Bamber 33 years' CD
I vote all proceeds should go towards MUGFORD'S, DAVID BOUTFLOUR's AND ANN EATON'S food parcels.
I have a kind heart.

Section 38 https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/703534/review-of-the-law_policy-and-procedure-relating-to-parole-board-decisions.pdf
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #353 on: May 02, 2018, 03:06:45 PM »
David is lucky he is allowed to post his images, posters & 'gish gash' posts. Every other forum I have seen, it wouldn't be allowed.
This would have most certainly backfired on Bamber and there is no doubt it will have been recorded on his prison security file https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/killer-jeremy-bamber-sends-supporter-7475685
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #354 on: May 02, 2018, 03:13:53 PM »
Nigel's death threats cannot be erased. They were posted by Nigel and he continues today:

"Yes Lookout, but they (mugford, boutflour, eaton) will find this a flippin' problem...

Nigel resembles Kerry Daynes harasser/stalker in many ways IMO, though of course Nigel has made direct death threats on a public forum dedicated to claiming Jeremy Bamber is innocent.

Nigel also states:
"We have the makings of a 'Best of Jeremy Bamber 33 years' CD
I vote all proceeds should go towards MUGFORD'S, DAVID BOUTFLOUR's AND ANN EATON'S food parcels.
I have a kind heart.

https://www.suzylamplugh.org/blog/guest-blog-kerry-daynes-my-stalking-experience

"Stranger-stalking is an ever-increasing problem, fuelled by social media and the access it gives to people that you would otherwise never meet in real life. The digital age provides stalkers with ever-new methods by which to intrude upon and intimidate someone. Police eventually seized my stalker’s computer - although strangely and frustratingly, they never even looked at it before giving it back to him. Despite his admitting that it holds extensive files relating to me.

As a mental health professional I’m acutely aware that this man needs help. You don’t decide to stalk a person you have seen on TV because you are in a healthy and fulfilled place in your own life. Clearly he struggles with his own mental distress and, like most stalkers is consumed with a sense of entitlement that is triggered when he feels rebuffed and/or wronged. Nearly seven years in, he continues to re-register his website domain names -  as recently as Christmas last year. And, as it turns out, he has also received a Harassment Warning in relation to his behaviour towards another woman. He needs psychological treatment - just not from me.

My stalker liked to invite me to ‘watch this space’, the unspecified promise of something unclear and yet entirely sinister.  Instead, I intend to fill this space, adding my voice to those campaigning for a more effective response to stalking. It is essential that police are trained to recognise the often insidious nature of this crime, consider the psychological damage it causes and place the onus squarely on perpetrators, not the victims, to change their behaviour. Stalkers need to be identified and treated with effective programmes in the way other dangerous people are. I know that progress is happening, but not consistently, or fast enough. 

Kerry Daynes is a Consultant Forensic Psychologist, Media Expert & Speaker
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #355 on: May 02, 2018, 03:31:47 PM »
Agreed Angelo222!

David Gauke is the person to complain to https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/transparency-of-the-parole-board-and-victim-support

Whilst Daisy wishes to remain annoynous, those opposed to Jeremy Bamber's attempts at being above the law, could include Daisy's posts regsrding Bamber to support their complaint.

UK prisons have a duty of care to the public and their duty is to ensure men like Jeremy Bamber do not pose a risk to the public. Risk factors do not just include risks to life and limb, there are the psychological risk factors also.

A judical review into Jeremy Bambers psychological risks to the public should be called for IMO.

He was after all branded by the trial Judge as being "evil beyond belief."

The problem of course is that many of Jeremy Bamber's victims (precious supporters) do not understand psychopathy and that these "evil" men can appear like you and I. Rather than recognise his psychopathy they excuse it, because of their lack of understanding into these dangerous and highly disordered individuals.

Actions of course speak louder than words.

I view Jeremy Bamber as a "pathological cult leader" type and imo should be reported to the authorities as such



https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/spycatcher/201208/dangerous-cult-leaders

If you know of a cult leader who has many of these traits there is a high probability that they are hurting those around them emotionally, psychologically, physically, spiritually, or financially. And of course this does not take into account the hurt that their loved ones will also experience.

Here are the typical traits of the pathological cult leader (from Dangerous Personalities) you should watch for and which shout caution, get away, run, or avoid if possible:

He has a grandiose idea of who he is and what he can achieve.

Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, or brilliance.

Demands blind unquestioned obedience.

Requires excessive admiration from followers and outsiders.

Has a sense of entitlement - expecting to be treated special at all times.

Is exploitative of others by asking for their money or that of relatives putting others at financial risk.

Is arrogant and haughty in his behavior or attitude.

Has an exaggerated sense of power (entitlement) that allows him to bend rules and break laws.

Takes sexual advantage of members of his sect or cult.

Sex is a requirement with adults and sub adults as part of a ritual or rite.

Is hypersensitive to how he is seen or perceived by others.

Publicly devalues others as being inferior, incapable, or not worthy.

Makes members confess their sins or faults publicly subjecting them to ridicule or humiliation while revealing exploitable weaknesses of the penitent.

Has ignored the needs of others, including: biological, physical, emotional, and financial needs.

Is frequently boashut upl of accomplishments.

Needs to be the center of attention and does things to distract others to insure that he or she is being noticed by arriving late, using exotic clothing, overdramatic speech, or by making theatrical entrances.

Has insisted in always having the best of anything (house, car, jewelry, clothes) even when others are relegated to lesser facilities, amenities, or clothing.

Doesn’t seem to listen well to needs of others, communication is usually one-way in the form of dictates.

Haughtiness, grandiosity, and the need to be controlling is part of his personality.

Behaves as though people are objects to be used, manipulated or exploited for personal gain.

When criticized he tends to lash out not just with anger but with rage.

Anyone who criticizes or questions him is called an “enemy.”

Refers to non-members or non-believers in him as “the enemy.”

Acts imperious at times, not wishing to know what others think or desire.

Believes himself to be omnipotent.

Has “magical” answers or solutions to problems.

Is superficially charming.

Habitually puts down others as inferior and only he is superior.

Has a certain coldness or aloofness about him that makes others worry about who this person really is and or whether they really know him.

Is deeply offended when there are perceived signs of boredom, being ignored or of being slighted.

Treats others with contempt and arrogance.

Is constantly assessing for those who are a threat or those who revere him.

The word “I” dominates his conversations. He is oblivious to how often he references himself.

Hates to be embarrassed or fail publicly - when he does he acts out with rage.

Doesn’t seem to feel guilty for anything he has done wrong nor does he apologize for his actions.

Believes he possesses the answers and solutions to world problems.

Believes himself to be a deity or a chosen representative of a deity.

Rigid, unbending, or insensitive describes how this person thinks.

Tries to control others in what they do, read, view, or think.

Has isolated members of his sect from contact with family or outside world.

Monitors and or restricts contact with family or outsiders.

Works the least but demands the most.

Has stated that he is “destined for greatness” or that he will be “martyred.”

Seems to be highly dependent of tribute and adoration and will often fish for compliments.

Uses enforcers or sycophants to insure compliance from members or believers.

Sees self as “unstoppable” perhaps has even said so.

Conceals background or family which would disclose how plain or ordinary he is.

Doesn’t think there is anything wrong with himself – in fact sees himself as perfection or “blessed.”

Has taken away the freedom to leave, to travel, to pursue life, and liberty of followers.

Has isolated the group physically (moved to a remote area) so as to not be observed.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #356 on: May 02, 2018, 03:39:18 PM »
I view Jeremy Bamber as a "pathological cult leader" type and imo should be reported to the authorities as such



https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/spycatcher/201208/dangerous-cult-leaders

If you know of a cult leader who has many of these traits there is a high probability that they are hurting those around them emotionally, psychologically, physically, spiritually, or financially. And of course this does not take into account the hurt that their loved ones will also experience.

Here are the typical traits of the pathological cult leader (from Dangerous Personalities) you should watch for and which shout caution, get away, run, or avoid if possible:

He has a grandiose idea of who he is and what he can achieve.

Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, or brilliance.

Demands blind unquestioned obedience.

Requires excessive admiration from followers and outsiders.

Has a sense of entitlement - expecting to be treated special at all times.

Is exploitative of others by asking for their money or that of relatives putting others at financial risk.

Is arrogant and haughty in his behavior or attitude.

Has an exaggerated sense of power (entitlement) that allows him to bend rules and break laws.

Takes sexual advantage of members of his sect or cult.

Sex is a requirement with adults and sub adults as part of a ritual or rite.

Is hypersensitive to how he is seen or perceived by others.

Publicly devalues others as being inferior, incapable, or not worthy.

Makes members confess their sins or faults publicly subjecting them to ridicule or humiliation while revealing exploitable weaknesses of the penitent.

Has ignored the needs of others, including: biological, physical, emotional, and financial needs.

Is frequently boashut upl of accomplishments.

Needs to be the center of attention and does things to distract others to insure that he or she is being noticed by arriving late, using exotic clothing, overdramatic speech, or by making theatrical entrances.

Has insisted in always having the best of anything (house, car, jewelry, clothes) even when others are relegated to lesser facilities, amenities, or clothing.

Doesn’t seem to listen well to needs of others, communication is usually one-way in the form of dictates.

Haughtiness, grandiosity, and the need to be controlling is part of his personality.

Behaves as though people are objects to be used, manipulated or exploited for personal gain.

When criticized he tends to lash out not just with anger but with rage.

Anyone who criticizes or questions him is called an “enemy.”

Refers to non-members or non-believers in him as “the enemy.”

Acts imperious at times, not wishing to know what others think or desire.

Believes himself to be omnipotent.

Has “magical” answers or solutions to problems.

Is superficially charming.

Habitually puts down others as inferior and only he is superior.

Has a certain coldness or aloofness about him that makes others worry about who this person really is and or whether they really know him.

Is deeply offended when there are perceived signs of boredom, being ignored or of being slighted.

Treats others with contempt and arrogance.

Is constantly assessing for those who are a threat or those who revere him.

The word “I” dominates his conversations. He is oblivious to how often he references himself.

Hates to be embarrassed or fail publicly - when he does he acts out with rage.

Doesn’t seem to feel guilty for anything he has done wrong nor does he apologize for his actions.

Believes he possesses the answers and solutions to world problems.

Believes himself to be a deity or a chosen representative of a deity.

Rigid, unbending, or insensitive describes how this person thinks.

Tries to control others in what they do, read, view, or think.

Has isolated members of his sect from contact with family or outside world.

Monitors and or restricts contact with family or outsiders.

Works the least but demands the most.

Has stated that he is “destined for greatness” or that he will be “martyred.”

Seems to be highly dependent of tribute and adoration and will often fish for compliments.

Uses enforcers or sycophants to insure compliance from members or believers.

Sees self as “unstoppable” perhaps has even said so.

Conceals background or family which would disclose how plain or ordinary he is.

Doesn’t think there is anything wrong with himself – in fact sees himself as perfection or “blessed.”

Has taken away the freedom to leave, to travel, to pursue life, and liberty of followers.

Has isolated the group physically (moved to a remote area) so as to not be observed.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #357 on: May 02, 2018, 04:12:10 PM »
Jeremy Bamber Retweeted
Jeremy Bamber
@FreeBamberNow
·
1 May

JeremyBamber
Thanks to Essex Police and The News of the World Julie Mugford has remained free to influence children

https://mobile.twitter.com/FreeBamberNow


http://rightsofwomen.org.uk/get-information/violence-against-women-and-international-law/coercive-control-and-the-law/
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #358 on: May 02, 2018, 05:01:58 PM »
The Court and many of us have seen the intercepted letter Jeremy Bamber attempted to send Julie Mugford Adam. It's in the public domain, on the blue forum! I can't find the letter here?

None of us know how she actually felt at that time as she has yet to speak openly about it but that doesn't mean she won't!

Maggie is a moderator of the blue forum and as such is fully aware of the numerous threats made towards ALL the victims in this case and other cases I might add.

Does anyone have a copy of this letter and could they post it on up thanks  8((()*/
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #359 on: May 02, 2018, 05:03:44 PM »
Jeremy Bamber Retweeted
Jeremy Bamber
@FreeBamberNow
·
1 May

JeremyBamber
Thanks to Essex Police and The News of the World Julie Mugford has remained free to influence children

https://mobile.twitter.com/FreeBamberNow


http://rightsofwomen.org.uk/get-information/violence-against-women-and-international-law/coercive-control-and-the-law/

Trudi Benjamin and her team have well and truly over stepped the mark, once again  *&^^&
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