The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?

[APRIL]

Funny that people should concentrate on the five murders he committed and just ignore his sunny deposition!

AND his regal graciousness. His secret origins emerging, perhaps?

[Daisy]

http://www.jeremybambertestimony.co.uk/shelly-cook

This was written before I know Jeremy so pre 2011. Many of those who wrote testimonies are no longer in contact with Jeremy eg Tom Sturgeon and Maria Perez.  It would be interesting to know what they think of him now. Come on Steph I am sure you could track them down and find out.

None of the testimonies are recent although the CT would want you to believe they are.

[Nicholas]

The Scottish Charity Regulator is currently investigating the Wrongly Accused Person Organisation charity.

That's good to hear John! I hope they make their findings public!

[APRIL]

This was written before I know Jeremy so pre 2011. Many of those who wrote testimonies are no longer in contact with Jeremy eg Tom Sturgeon and Maria Perez.  It would be interesting to know what they think of him now. Come on Steph I am sure you could track them down and find out.

None of the testimonies are recent although the CT would want you to believe they are.

Daisy, that may tell a different story. If the CT are having to drag up testimonies from the past -and it's always seemed telling that none are from anyone who knew him pre-murders- it possibly suggests that interest in him is declining.

[Nicholas]

This was written before I know Jeremy so pre 2011. Many of those who wrote testimonies are no longer in contact with Jeremy eg Tom Sturgeon and Maria Perez.  It would be interesting to know what they think of him now. Come on Steph I am sure you could track them down and find out.

None of the testimonies are recent although the CT would want you to believe they are.

I've never heard of the people you mention Daisy.

But I imagine they sussed out they had been groomed and conned by a psychopath and most probably want to be left alone.

Maybe one day they will speak out, who knows?

Why would I want to track them down? They are yet further victims of a dangerous and highly disordered individual.

If you know these people, why don't you track them down and tell us why they are no longer in contact with Bamber?

Maybe they feel the same way you do?

Thanks for the update Myster. I wonder what was in the letter. The team are getting pretty desperate now I think.

Actually he didn't dump me. I went to visit him one morning and didn't bother to go back in the afternoon. I then wrote to him and told him I had removed my number from his contacts and I wanted nothing more to do with him. I told him what a despicable person he was demanding money from me then being abusive when I refused to give it to him.

[Daisy]

I've never heard of the people you mention Daisy.

But I imagine they sussed out they had been groomed and conned by a psychopath and most probably want to be left alone.

Maybe one day they will speak out, who knows?

Why would I want to track them down? They are yet further victims of a dangerous and highly disordered individual.

If you know these people, why don't you track them down and tell us why they are no longer in contact with Bamber?

They were part of the CT and Maria states on her twitter account that she is Jeremy’s girlfriend mariaperez672.  Then suddenly they both disappeared from the scene. I am not on FB or other social media so cannot find them. I just wondered if they may be able to tell us what went wrong. They were avid supporters and according to Jeremy visited him regularly.

[Nicholas]

They were part of the CT and Maria states on her twitter account that she is Jeremy’s girlfriend mariaperez672.  Then suddenly they both disappeared from the scene. I am not on FB or other social media so cannot find them. I just wondered if they may be able to tell us what went wrong. They were avid supporters and according to Jeremy visited him regularly.

But we know Jeremy Bamber is a liar and consummate actor

Maybe the accounts were fake

Maybe Maria what's her name doesn't exist?

And you only have to look at what Jackiepreece has said about his supporters http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=2517.0

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=2016.0

5th January 2012
Grahame states:
"Who are these TRAITORS to Jeremy's cause? MARIA PEREZ and JOANNA TEW. Obviously they don't have the intellect of a slug and are just as slimy. Stay away from them Jackie. Did I notice Tracy Holloway in there? Stay away from these creeps Tracy. These two people are poison and pose as supporters. But are traitors to the cause. Where do they get their misinformation about you Jackie? Someone is stirring the shit.
Let every intelligent supporter of Jeremy know that Jackie Preece has never ever spoken evil of either Jeremy or Simon McKay. Anyone who continues to spread these malicious rumours will have me to contend with and those who know me know that when I get going I can really cause trouble for you. Beware you traitors. The shit is ready and the fan is at hand. WARNING YOU LITTLE TYROS. LAY OFF JACKIE.
Maria Parez and Joanna Tew. You're in my sights already. Watch your step from now on.

Jackiepreece states:
"Threats will go straight to the prison and then maybe Jeremy will keep all his ugly foul mouthed groupies in line
Jeremy needs to grow up they are all people not capable of finding a genuine boyfriend

[Nicholas]

I cannot decide between besotted or obsessed?

Jackiepreece refers to them as "groupies" http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2016.msg61675.html#msg61675

[Nicholas]

They were part of the CT and Maria states on her twitter account that she is Jeremy’s girlfriend mariaperez672.  Then suddenly they both disappeared from the scene. I am not on FB or other social media so cannot find them. I just wondered if they may be able to tell us what went wrong. They were avid supporters and according to Jeremy visited him regularly.

Maybe "Maria" is/was an alter ego of one of the hardcore supporters? Poppy Miller maybe? Who knows?

[Nicholas]

But we know Jeremy Bamber is a liar and consummate actor

Maybe the accounts were fake

Maybe Maria what's her name doesn't exist?

And you only have to look at what Jackiepreece has said about his supporters http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=2517.0

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=2016.0

5th January 2012
Grahame states:
"Who are these TRAITORS to Jeremy's cause? MARIA PEREZ and JOANNA TEW. Obviously they don't have the intellect of a slug and are just as slimy. Stay away from them Jackie. Did I notice Tracy Holloway in there? Stay away from these creeps Tracy. These two people are poison and pose as supporters. But are traitors to the cause. Where do they get their misinformation about you Jackie? Someone is stirring the shit.
Let every intelligent supporter of Jeremy know that Jackie Preece has never ever spoken evil of either Jeremy or Simon McKay. Anyone who continues to spread these malicious rumours will have me to contend with and those who know me know that when I get going I can really cause trouble for you. Beware you traitors. The shit is ready and the fan is at hand. WARNING YOU LITTLE TYROS. LAY OFF JACKIE.
Maria Parez and Joanna Tew. You're in my sights already. Watch your step from now on.

Jackiepreece states:
"Threats will go straight to the prison and then maybe Jeremy will keep all his ugly foul mouthed groupies in line
Jeremy needs to grow up they are all people not capable of finding a genuine boyfriend[/i]

Btw Jackiepreece does send her threats to the prison, I have the evidence in Simon Hall's prison security files.

Maybe these factors are taken into consideration by the prison authorities and why Jeremy Bamber will never be released from prison or ever get another appeal.

If Jeremy Bamber can exert this kind of power and control over his supporters, imagine what he did to Julie Mugford 

[APRIL]

Maybe "Maria" is/was an alter ego of one of the hardcore supporters? Poppy Miller maybe? Who knows?

Mmm. Using that as a format a small number of groupies could become thousands in an instant.

[Nicholas]

Mmm. Using that as a format a small number of groupies could become thousands in an instant.

Well they were the tactics deployed by Simon Hall's brother
and of course the likes of Kevin Craigie & Mike Tesco have numerous alter egos

[Nicholas]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BK2YSUEA__A/?hl=en&taken-by=jeremybamber

https://www.instagram.com/jeremybamber/?hl=en

They were part of the CT and Maria states on her twitter account that she is Jeremy’s girlfriend mariaperez672.  Then suddenly they both disappeared from the scene. I am not on FB or other social media so cannot find them. I just wondered if they may be able to tell us what went wrong. They were avid supporters and according to Jeremy visited him regularly.

Daisy if you decide to complete the above form re the J B Campaign Ltd company you could simply copy and paste your first few posts on this forum

You stated:
"I have read both this and the blue forum for sometime and with the utmost respect, many of those on both forums have formed opinions on Jeremy as regards his innocence/guilt and what type of person he is.  Many have never written, spoken to or met him.  This is why I have decided to share with you the friendship I have had with Jeremy for almost three years.  He was, I thought one of my dearest and closest friends but I seriously misjudged this man.  This will probably be a long post so I will do it in chunks so you don't get bored!
I started writing to Jeremy sometime ago after reading new information about the case and feeling that all didn't seem right.  I live not far from Essex so have always read about his case in the local papers.  I very soon became involved in the Campaign and typed some of the documents for his last CCRC submissions.  I have also done all I can to ask those in power to listen and have written to my MP,  the Prime Minister,the MOJ, the Home Secretary, CPS, IPCC etc.  I have had conversations with officials at the CCRC and also exchanged emails and spoken on the phone to Professional Standards at Essex Police. I also phoned some of the scientists who examined the sound moderator who were very pleasant towards me but adament they had come to the right conclusion. The Campaign Team told me that I was getting more results and responses than themselves.  When the Campaign mysteriously closed down for a while, I never heard from them again and my emails went unanswered. 

Jeremy and I spoke on the phone two or three times a week and I sent him a generous monthly allowance.  We shared our hopes and dreams and I always told him he was an extended part of my family.  I just wanted him to feel that he belonged and I told him I would always support him no matter what.  He always told me I was one of his closest friends and one of the only people he could trust.  When I went on holiday, he made me promise to email him, he always phoned me on Christmas day and I truly believed our friendship was genuine.  I continued to do whatever I could to help him, even tracking down a retired senior Essex Police Officer for his help which he initially said he would do, then asked me never to contact him again!  Jeremy has sent me many documents which have never been in the public domain but I can say that none of them absolutely proved his innocence. There is one though, which indicates that there MAY have been life inside the house while Jeremy was outside but that needs investigating further.
Jeremy is witty, makes me laugh and usually cheeful in spite of the conditions he lives under.  I discovered though that he has a dark side.  He was often very evasive when I asked him questions about the case and if I ever disagreed with a piece of evidence or events, he would turn on me and shout and swear.  He told me lots of lies and in the end I took everything he said with a pinch of salt.  On my birthday last year, he sent me a lovely card telling me what a special friend I was and he promised to be with me to celebrate in 2014.  Then things changed drasticall between us. . . . . . . .

In September he phoned me and said he and the Campaign Team wanted me to pay for the new forensics tests.  He demanded I send him £4,000.  Before answering "no" I asked him who the scientists were as I wanted to check out their credentials.  He told me to mind my own business and just pay up.  He said if I didn't have the funds available then I should take out a bank loan.  He was very threatening and abusive.  When I started getting upset he shouted at me "stop playing the F*****ng victim."  I was so worried and concerned, I phoned the prison and discussed this call.  For anyone out there who thinks I may be telling lies, the prison confirmed that this call was recorded and retained so I have the proof.
I had already arranged a visit for October and went as planned and intended to discuss this matter with him.  He was quite unpleasant and told me he had never liked me and would never want me as a friend, along with other very hurtful remarks.  He told me himself that he had sacked Simon McKay.  I tried to talk some sense into him but he said "everyone plays to my tune or I dispose of them".   That appears to have been a lie as Simon claims to still be working for him.  I now realise I was there purely for the money.  I didn't turn up for the afternoon visit.
Back home, I wrote to Jeremy telling him how devastated I was that our friendship was a complete farce on his behalf and I was heartbroken that I was forced to walk away from him.  I have given him three months to reply and all I wanted was an apology and an explanation as to why he had lied to me for three years, pretending he was my friend.  This is why I have decided to tell my story as I don't want anyone else to be hurt by Jeremy.  I feel so guilty abandoning him but what choice did I have?  Andrea and Goatboy have got it absolutely spot on when they say Jeremy uses and abuses friends and then tosses them aside.  I feel desperately sorry for him.

[Nicholas]

They were part of the CT and Maria states on her twitter account that she is Jeremy’s girlfriend mariaperez672.  Then suddenly they both disappeared from the scene. I am not on FB or other social media so cannot find them. I just wondered if they may be able to tell us what went wrong. They were avid supporters and according to Jeremy visited him regularly.

Are you saying Jeremy Bamber confirmed Maria Perez visited him in prison? Did he tell you this?

ALL his visitors will be recorded in his prison files and this is something Her Majesty's Priosn and Probation services can investigate in confidence.

If the J B Campaign Ltd company are posting fraudulent testimonies of people who do not exist it will add more weight to any future investigation

And of course testimonies that are no longer relevant (like for example, when a once supporter now believes Bamber to be guilty) http://www.jeremybambertestimony.co.uk/tom-sturgeon

[Nicholas]

This is highly alarming IMO. Do the Essex Partnership University NHS Trust actually know Poppy Ann Miller supports and campaigns for a mass murdering psychopath? https://eput.nhs.uk/about-us/council-of-governors/


http://poppyannmiller.blogspot.co.uk
My Mental Health Years:
Over the past thirty plus years I have worked in a variety of therapeutic roles with many people with varying degrees of mental ill health, from stress and anxiety, mild, low-mood to the deepest black hole of severe depression and suicidal thoughts; within a residential community, Social Services and the National Health Service and continue in my private counselling practise.  I use an integrative model, depending on the client though favour a psychodynamic approach, that is, making the unconscious, conscious, as so much of who we are today stems from our early, often repressed, suppressed, formative years.  Am currently a publicly elected governor with Essex Partnership University NHS Trust.

The residential community I first worked with was, at the time, one of only two of its kind in the country, the other being The Richmond Fellowship who delivered much of our training and supervision.  The aim was to work in innovative ways with residents, ‘community members’.

I was new to residential and no doubt naive having been thrown in the deep end but I could see that a number of staff appeared to have more ‘issues’ than the residents.  My ‘supervisor’ was a trained nurse though had not worked in that role for several years and had no mental health training.  Never-the-less I learnt a lot in my three years with them and have some fond memories of both staff and community members.

Matthew:  All names have been changed.
After several months I was relieved to be allocated a new supervisor who was experienced, respectful and supportive of my ways of working and my perspective.  She had been in a team who were trying to work with alternate ways of helping clients who hear ‘voices’.  Examples; to try not to ‘own’ the voices as in, ‘my’ voices and whether responding to ‘voices’, rather than trying to block them out, could be therapeutic.  Matthew wanted to give it a try.

He was in his thirties, visited family most weekends and had said that walking across the field and alongside a lake to the bus station was when his ‘attacks’ were at their worse.  The following Friday evening as usual as he walked he was drawn to the water and the voices began telling him to jump in.  Matthew had explained that the terror of not obeying the voices had been worse than the fear of drowning but this time, instead of trying to block them with his hands over his ears, he replied,
‘No!  I’m going home’.  Then turning to me he said, ‘And I realised it was a load of bollocks.  You know?  What they were saying, if my mate had told me to do that I’d have told him to f..k off!'

He went on to say that it was as if a door had opened and he could choose to step through or stay locked inside.  Of course it was not all plain-sailing but Matthew left the community a few months later a much freer and peaceful man.

Clarissa:
Abused and violated on many levels and who, when I resigned, presented me with a pair of Indian cotton trousers; purples, blues and turquoise which she had bought from a charity shop.  I don’t wear second-hand clothes, repercussions of being a kid and wearing everyone else’s but I did wear those trousers and still do.  That was over 25 years ago.

Alim:
‘You cannot keep birds from flying over your head
but you can keep them from building a nest in your hair’.

One of Alim’s favourite quotations, though he spoke very little, well, in the presence of staff anyway.

In his early twenties, Alim still looked boyish - fragile - slight.  His controlled food intake and exercise regime meant that he walked miles daily so was outside the community setting for many hours at a time.  I'd rather not read case-notes extensively unless of course I need to know of any risks, preferring the person to confide in me if and when they want to though I knew Alim had been abused repeatedly by a paedophile ring before he came to England.  We would often spend our allocated sessions in silence which became easier for me with more practice and I could relax and ‘be’ not ‘do’, more recently known as ‘mindfulness’.  Never-the-less I felt I was letting Alim down, maybe he needed someone more skilled, more experienced than myself?  He offered no response when I told him I was leaving and did not attend my leaving ‘do’.  Several weeks later I received an envelope with a post-mark I recognised.  Inside, a silk painting had been stuck to a piece of folded card with the words, ‘Thank you, I will miss you.’  Inside they continued, ‘I was always too frightened to get close to anyone….but I really love you…’  Still brings a lump to my throat.

It was not all success, there was the time when a community member threw a coke bottle at me because I had stood in front of the TV and learning the invaluable lesson of never telling anyone to ‘calm down’ after being drenched with a mug of tea, fortunately only luke warm.

I have developed further ‘tools’ for clients who find it difficult to verbally express their feelings, either due to never being allowed a ‘voice’ or for those who struggle to find the ‘right’ words.  Always their choice of course; we have worked with drawings, dreams, toys, buttons, clothing, stress bucket!

Working with clients is a two way thing.  Not in the counselling sense of ‘projection’ or ‘transference’, more in that if we aim to be really present with our client, we learn things about ourselves also.  Two people may appear to be sitting in silence but there is often cacophony in the room.  It was partly experience gained in that therapeutic community that set me on the path of alternate ways of working.  Although Carl Rogers is always associated with the client centred model, in my opinion, congruence and unconditional, positive regard is essential in all therapeutic relationships and may provide a conducive environment for the deepest revelations.

Leah:
We worked together in my role as Family Group Conference Facilitator Mental Health.  Leah had attempted suicide several times.  An intelligent woman who had been teaching in Higher Education until she became unwell.

Leah had developed compulsive disorders and was also becoming violent towards her husband.  My role was to meet with her and help her plan her ‘conference’.  I would then contact the family members and friends she had invited and meet with them if they wanted to be involved.

Family Group Conferencing is an invaluable service.  Provides opportunity - and permission - for all participants to put a face to a name, share feelings, suggestions and agree boundaries; providing a framework of security around the service user.  The process also gives opportunity to air the myths around mental illness; for example, ‘suicide attempts or self harm are merely cries for help’.

It was once thought to be the case that if a sufferer speaks about suicide then they would not carry out the act but that is a false theory.  Through my experience I am persuaded that the majority of those who suffer in this way do not want to die, they just cannot carry on living.  Often these very intelligent, gifted sufferers have formed their own diagnosis, prognosis and course of treatment and appear to have made the decision to end their life with a 'sound mind’.  Hard to understand, it almost appears to be a different aspect of mental illness - possibly requiring an independent or additional diagnosis but…I am not a clinician.

I was speaking with a company director about my work and he said that even though he is on the board of a mental health committee, he actually finds the topic frightening.  I suspect that most people who work outside the field only consider severe conditions, such as psychosis and schizophrenia as mental illness, when in reality, addiction to alcohol, shopping, food, social media, are also examples of symptoms of mental health imbalance to a greater or lesser degree.

Regardless of background, status, age or gender, mental health is a common denominator and statistics show mental ill health as a growing problem, with anxiety and depression reported as the most prevalent condition.  At a time when funding is being cut from many services this can be a challenge, however promoting mental health awareness does not need to be costly and I feel it is time to add ‘mental health awareness and well-being’ to the school curriculum and encourage larger companies to include mental health awareness in their induction process.

Hopefully adopting these practises will assist with normalising the topic, allowing discussion to be frank and feel less threatening and preventing feelings of isolation

IMHO Poppy Ann Miller should be reported to the appropriate authorities. She should not be working with vulnerable individuals.

https://eput.nhs.uk/contact-us/complaints/

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2517.msg77472.html#msg77472

https://mobile.twitter.com/PoppyMeze/status/187487774943887362

Although blogs are removed the footprint will remain http://poppymeze.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/jeremy-bamber-anthony-pargeter.html

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=4094.0