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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #450 on: May 05, 2018, 02:16:25 PM »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #451 on: May 05, 2018, 03:14:36 PM »
Daisy if you decide to complete the above form re the J B Campaign Ltd company you could simply copy and paste your first few posts on this forum

You stated:
"I have read both this and the blue forum for sometime and with the utmost respect, many of those on both forums have formed opinions on Jeremy as regards his innocence/guilt and what type of person he is.  Many have never written, spoken to or met him.  This is why I have decided to share with you the friendship I have had with Jeremy for almost three years.  He was, I thought one of my dearest and closest friends but I seriously misjudged this man.  This will probably be a long post so I will do it in chunks so you don't get bored!
I started writing to Jeremy sometime ago after reading new information about the case and feeling that all didn't seem right.  I live not far from Essex so have always read about his case in the local papers.  I very soon became involved in the Campaign and typed some of the documents for his last CCRC submissions.  I have also done all I can to ask those in power to listen and have written to my MP,  the Prime Minister,the MOJ, the Home Secretary, CPS, IPCC etc.  I have had conversations with officials at the CCRC and also exchanged emails and spoken on the phone to Professional Standards at Essex Police. I also phoned some of the scientists who examined the sound moderator who were very pleasant towards me but adament they had come to the right conclusion. The Campaign Team told me that I was getting more results and responses than themselves.  When the Campaign mysteriously closed down for a while, I never heard from them again and my emails went unanswered. 

Jeremy and I spoke on the phone two or three times a week and I sent him a generous monthly allowance.  We shared our hopes and dreams and I always told him he was an extended part of my family.  I just wanted him to feel that he belonged and I told him I would always support him no matter what.  He always told me I was one of his closest friends and one of the only people he could trust.  When I went on holiday, he made me promise to email him, he always phoned me on Christmas day and I truly believed our friendship was genuine.  I continued to do whatever I could to help him, even tracking down a retired senior Essex Police Officer for his help which he initially said he would do, then asked me never to contact him again!  Jeremy has sent me many documents which have never been in the public domain but I can say that none of them absolutely proved his innocence. There is one though, which indicates that there MAY have been life inside the house while Jeremy was outside but that needs investigating further.
Jeremy is witty, makes me laugh and usually cheeful in spite of the conditions he lives under.  I discovered though that he has a dark side.  He was often very evasive when I asked him questions about the case and if I ever disagreed with a piece of evidence or events, he would turn on me and shout and swear.  He told me lots of lies and in the end I took everything he said with a pinch of salt.  On my birthday last year, he sent me a lovely card telling me what a special friend I was and he promised to be with me to celebrate in 2014.  Then things changed drasticall between us. . . . . . . .

In September he phoned me and said he and the Campaign Team wanted me to pay for the new forensics tests.  He demanded I send him £4,000.  Before answering "no" I asked him who the scientists were as I wanted to check out their credentials.  He told me to mind my own business and just pay up.  He said if I didn't have the funds available then I should take out a bank loan.  He was very threatening and abusive.  When I started getting upset he shouted at me "stop playing the F*****ng victim."  I was so worried and concerned, I phoned the prison and discussed this call.  For anyone out there who thinks I may be telling lies, the prison confirmed that this call was recorded and retained so I have the proof.
I had already arranged a visit for October and went as planned and intended to discuss this matter with him.  He was quite unpleasant and told me he had never liked me and would never want me as a friend, along with other very hurtful remarks.  He told me himself that he had sacked Simon McKay.  I tried to talk some sense into him but he said "everyone plays to my tune or I dispose of them".   That appears to have been a lie as Simon claims to still be working for him.  I now realise I was there purely for the money.  I didn't turn up for the afternoon visit.
Back home, I wrote to Jeremy telling him how devastated I was that our friendship was a complete farce on his behalf and I was heartbroken that I was forced to walk away from him.  I have given him three months to reply and all I wanted was an apology and an explanation as to why he had lied to me for three years, pretending he was my friend.  This is why I have decided to tell my story as I don't want anyone else to be hurt by Jeremy.  I feel so guilty abandoning him but what choice did I have?  Andrea and Goatboy have got it absolutely spot on when they say Jeremy uses and abuses friends and then tosses them aside.  I feel desperately sorry for him.

Daisy the way those representing the J B Campaign ltd behaved towards you is and was appalling and bordering on the criminal. I really think you should report what happened to you to the insolvency service.

Who's to say they haven't done this to someone else but they've been too afraid to speak out?
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #452 on: May 05, 2018, 03:25:13 PM »
Maybe "Maria" is/was an alter ego of one of the hardcore supporters? Poppy Miller maybe? Who knows?

Appears fake to me http://tweettunnel.com/mariaperez672 Dynamomagician?

https://mobile.twitter.com/MariaPerez672

Why would Jeremy Bamber say to Daisy,  Maria Perez was visiting him?  @)(++(*


They were part of the CT and Maria states on her twitter account that she is Jeremy’s girlfriend mariaperez672.  Then suddenly they both disappeared from the scene. I am not on FB or other social media so cannot find them. I just wondered if they may be able to tell us what went wrong. They were avid supporters and according to Jeremy visited him regularly.

Do you have written evidence of this Daisy or did he tell you on a prison visit/or during a telephone conversation?
« Last Edit: May 05, 2018, 03:43:35 PM by Stephanie »
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Offline Angelo222

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #453 on: May 05, 2018, 03:43:13 PM »
Btw Jackiepreece does send her threats to the prison, I have the evidence in Simon Hall's prison security files.

Maybe these factors are taken into consideration by the prison authorities and why Jeremy Bamber will never be released from prison or ever get another appeal.

If Jeremy Bamber can exert this kind of power and control over his supporters, imagine what he did to Julie Mugford  *&^^&

In my opinion Julie is lucky she is not serving a sentence with him.  Had she not come clean about what she knew and cooperated fully with the police from the beginning she might well have been seen as an accomplice since she too was involved in the shenanigans at Osea Caravan Park.  I think she was extremely lucky to get off Scot free.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #454 on: May 05, 2018, 03:47:01 PM »
In my opinion Julie is lucky she is not serving a sentence with him.  Had she not come clean about what she knew and cooperated fully with the police from the beginning she might well have been seen as an accomplice since she too was involved in the shenanigans at Osea Caravan Park.  I think she was extremely lucky to get off Scot free.

I agree Holly, it would have been so much easier for them to have gone with the four murders and a suicide instead of the five murders scenario.  It would have saved the taxpayer a fortune too.

Essex Police did a good job with DS Stan Jones being very much the kingpin in nailing Jeremy Bamber.  Bamber's cockness was his undoing, on the day of the murders he dropped his guard with Julie Mugford and fortunately Jones was quick to notice it.

You can hardly say she got off scott free. She's been vilified for decades and left the country to start a new life and may have been forced to do so. None of us know the exact details.

Julie Mugford was in a psychologically abusive relationship. If it weren't for her evidence there is a possibility Bamber may have walked free.

Psychopaths like Bamber exert control and power over their victims.

Furthermore, her last public interview claimed she had lived with the guilt of not knowing if she'd have come forward earlier the murders may have been avoided. That, I imagine, is a heavy burden for anyone with a conscience to carry around.

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Offline Daisy

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #455 on: May 05, 2018, 05:52:23 PM »
Appears fake to me http://tweettunnel.com/mariaperez672 Dynamomagician?

https://mobile.twitter.com/MariaPerez672

Why would Jeremy Bamber say to Daisy,  Maria Perez was visiting him?  @)(++(*

Do you have written evidence of this Daisy or did he tell you on a prison visit/or during a telephone conversation?

We were friends so spoke about our lives. Jeremy told me about Maria as she also did work for him. She visited as I did. When she left the CT they paid tribute to her and Tom for all the work they had done for Jeremy. Jeremy was very fond of Tom and his wife so something must have gone terribly wrong for Tom to have deserted him.

Offline APRIL

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #456 on: May 05, 2018, 06:24:37 PM »
We were friends so spoke about our lives. Jeremy told me about Maria as she also did work for him. She visited as I did. When she left the CT they paid tribute to her and Tom for all the work they had done for Jeremy. Jeremy was very fond of Tom and his wife so something must have gone terribly wrong for Tom to have deserted him.

Am I reading you correctly, Daisy? Earlier you said Maria made known that she was Jeremy's girlfriend on her Twitter account. It reads as if Tom -whoever he is- is Maria's husband. If such is the case might it -"something must have gone horribly wrong for Tom to have deserted him (Jeremy)"- have to do with that Tom disapproved of his wife making a public announcement that she was Jeremy's girlfriend?

Offline Daisy

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #457 on: May 05, 2018, 06:53:07 PM »
Am I reading you correctly, Daisy? Earlier you said Maria made known that she was Jeremy's girlfriend on her Twitter account. It reads as if Tom -whoever he is- is Maria's husband. If such is the case might it -"something must have gone horribly wrong for Tom to have deserted him (Jeremy)"- have to do with that Tom disapproved of his wife making a public announcement that she was Jeremy's girlfriend?

No sorry you have misunderstood me. They are separate people. Maria is a young woman and Tom is a man in his sixties. He and his wife visited Jeremy a lot and he typed a lot of documents for the campaign.

Offline APRIL

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #458 on: May 05, 2018, 07:06:36 PM »
No sorry you have misunderstood me. They are separate people. Maria is a young woman and Tom is a man in his sixties. He and his wife visited Jeremy a lot and he typed a lot of documents for the campaign.


Thanks for clarifying, Daisy. I could have been responsible for starting a rumour!!! @)(++(*

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #459 on: May 05, 2018, 07:17:46 PM »
We were friends so spoke about our lives. Jeremy told me about Maria as she also did work for him. She visited as I did. When she left the CT they paid tribute to her and Tom for all the work they had done for Jeremy. Jeremy was very fond of Tom and his wife so something must have gone terribly wrong for Tom to have deserted him.

Was Maria Jeremy's girlfriend or have I misunderstood?

"Fond of life and living for the moment. Promotes all causes. Lives with Barney and Smudge and is one very happy lady with Jeremy.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MariaPerez672

Wonder why Jackiepreece didn't know about this?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #460 on: May 05, 2018, 07:26:56 PM »
We were friends so spoke about our lives. Jeremy told me about Maria as she also did work for him. She visited as I did. When she left the CT they paid tribute to her and Tom for all the work they had done for Jeremy. Jeremy was very fond of Tom and his wife so something must have gone terribly wrong for Tom to have deserted him.

Jeremy was most likely fond of the pocket money Tom and his wife were bunging his way. Jeremy isn't capable of attaching to someone through feelings; he regards people as fuel sources. Though he may talk a good talk. Psychopaths are convincing.

So Tom and his wife did a runner it seems. Good for them. I hope they are keeping well and well away from Bamber!



"Psychopaths are prone to interact through manipulation and to use others for their sole benefit, even if this creates pain and devastation for the target. Extending love and care to them will not impact the expression of pathology from the psychopathic partner.

The vast symptoms of this condition include traits such as:

lack of or minimal empathy

callousness

manipulation

pathological lying

charm

a tendency toward boredom

arrogance

blame shifting

dominance

aggression

impulsivity

In companies, individuals with psychopathy can orchestrate the loss of jobs, turn people against each other, or divide a team. Within intimate relationships, they can leave partners and family members struggling with the impact of trauma, betrayal, and abuse, potentially lasting years after they are gone.

Aside from problems such as minimal empathy, antagonism, manipulation, and anger, 6 additional factors that hinder safe relationships with a psychopath:

Minimal capacity to bond.
At the beginning of their intimate relationships, they are typically excited and stimulated by their new partner. This state can easily be mistaken as bonding and deep caring for their mate. However, this tends to be the dopamine-driven stage of romantic love that can feel like addictive attraction. Once that fades, so does their interest. It is often at this point that they display disdain for their partner.
 
Dysfunctional relationship cycle.
They often demonstrate a predictable cyclical style of intimate relationships that are common for those with cluster B personality disorders. They idealize, devalue, and then discard their partners, with no concern for the pain they leave behind. Given that they never had a bond with their mate in the first place, walking away from the relationship causes them little to no discomfort. Many are happy to move along to the next target, particularly if they left their former mate in the "loser" position.
 
Inability to offer a genuine apology.
Psychopathy is a disorder that hampers the ability to feel guilt and remorse. Due to faulty brain functions, there is a tendency to engage in immoral behavior. When they hurt someone or cause damage, they usually will not offer an apology. If what appears to be an apology is offered, it is rarely beyond words and tends to include an element of distancing and minimizing (“I made a mistake”). The feelings of guilt and remorse are missing because these emotional states are not within their capacity. Therefore, the typical contrition that would naturally follow when one has caused harm to another will be absent. Their stance is typically, "Move on," "Let it go," "You're too sensitive," or, "Why are you still talking about that—it's in the past!"
 
Presence of high narcissism.
For those with primary psychopathy, it is in their nature to have an incredibly inflated, grandiose sense of self. They do not need or care about the approval of others. Any desire they have for control or worship is associated with feelings of superiority, not insecurity. Unfortunately, for the individual with psychopathy, there tends to be no genuine interest in friendships.
 
Everyone is assigned a role and has a use: "You're my object."
They have a strong need for power and control and often place others in the role of "loser," even those who demonstrate loyalty, trust and love toward them. Psychopathic individuals usually have a "use" for those they keep close. They consider some people puppets, who will defend them, agree with them, or sacrifice their reputation to protect them. It is often their preference to have numerous puppets. For many with psychopathy, this role is also assigned to their intimate partner. Read more here: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/neurosagacity/201506/6-obstacles-relationship-psychopath
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #461 on: May 05, 2018, 07:48:30 PM »
We were friends so spoke about our lives. Jeremy told me about Maria as she also did work for him. She visited as I did. When she left the CT they paid tribute to her and Tom for all the work they had done for Jeremy. Jeremy was very fond of Tom and his wife so something must have gone terribly wrong for Tom to have deserted him.

How did the campaign pay tribute to these people? Via private email or something?

I'm still not convinced Maria existed Daisy. But if I'm wrong then fair enough.
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Angelo222

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #462 on: May 05, 2018, 07:55:31 PM »
We were friends so spoke about our lives. Jeremy told me about Maria as she also did work for him. She visited as I did. When she left the CT they paid tribute to her and Tom for all the work they had done for Jeremy. Jeremy was very fond of Tom and his wife so something must have gone terribly wrong for Tom to have deserted him.

Seems to happen all the time and even with lawyers.  After a while the real Jeremy Bamber comes through and that is why people give up.  Some even change their mind about his guilt.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #463 on: May 05, 2018, 08:43:03 PM »
We were friends so spoke about our lives. Jeremy told me about Maria as she also did work for him. She visited as I did. When she left the CT they paid tribute to her and Tom for all the work they had done for Jeremy. Jeremy was very fond of Tom and his wife so something must have gone terribly wrong for Tom to have deserted him.

I can't help but sense you have Bamber on a pedastal Daisy. Forgive me if I'm wrong but why say "Tom to have deserted him" like Tom did something wrong?

It makes more sense to me that Bamber treated Tom amd his wife badly, the same as he did you and 101 other people.

Bamber has a track record for dumping people as Amgelo222 has pointed out.

What work was this Maria Perez meant to have done for Bamber? Did anyone actually meet her? Where did she come from? I'm still not convinced.. Were they boyfriend and girlfriend?
« Last Edit: May 05, 2018, 08:45:46 PM by Stephanie »
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Offline Daisy

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #464 on: May 05, 2018, 09:14:45 PM »
An announcement was made on the  OS thanking them. Maria and Tom regularly tweeted about the case. Jeremy talked about Tom a lot and was very fond of him. Maybe someone turned Jeremy against Tom as just before Tom walked away he kept tweeting remarks like “never trust anyone “ and similar remarks. His account was suspended. He was clearly very angry about something. Maria is also vey real and Jackie knew all about her as did many others. She was very much involved in the campaign.