The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?

[Nicholas]

Mat maybe you or the person who got the fundraising event shut down should reach out to the Essex Chief Constable
https://www.ceoemail.com/s.php?id=ceo-75257 re the "death threats?"

Someone needs to stand up for the rights of Bamber's surviving victims

I'm sure Mr Kavanagh will receive any correspondence re the above like a breath of fresh air especially after this BS https://www.change.org/p/rt-hon-amber-rudd-mp-home-secretary-essex-police-release-all-documents-withheld-under-pii-to-jeremy-bamber-s-legal-defence/u/20235986

and this https://www.change.org/p/rt-hon-amber-rudd-mp-home-secretary-essex-police-release-all-documents-withheld-under-pii-to-jeremy-bamber-s-legal-defence/u/20235986





"Police have accused a multiple murderer of "circumnavigating the formal process" of appeal by using the media and websites to fight his conviction.
Jeremy Bamber, 55, is serving a whole life term for killing five members of his family in Essex in 1985.
His supporters are calling for evidence to be disclosed and wrote to MPs who in turn have written to Essex Police.
A reply from the chief constable's office has outlined the reasons why the force will not reopen his case.
In the reply, Insp Matt Cornish, Staff Officer to Essex Police's chief constable, makes reference to findings by the Court of Appeal and the Criminal Cases Review Commission in Bamber's case, which found no new evidence or proof the trial's fairness had been affected.
Insp Cornish said Bamber was "well aware of the legal processes that he should follow to seek a review of his convictions".
"His attempt at circumnavigating the formal process using the media and websites is ill-conceived," the letter continued. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-35932802


I would suggest the police message from Essex police was not only to Jeremy Bamber but to the J B Campaign Ltd company and all others who were involved.

[Nicholas]

I'm sure Mr Kavanagh will receive any correspondence re the above like a breath of fresh air especially after this BS https://www.change.org/p/rt-hon-amber-rudd-mp-home-secretary-essex-police-release-all-documents-withheld-under-pii-to-jeremy-bamber-s-legal-defence/u/20235986

and this https://www.change.org/p/rt-hon-amber-rudd-mp-home-secretary-essex-police-release-all-documents-withheld-under-pii-to-jeremy-bamber-s-legal-defence/u/20235986





"Police have accused a multiple murderer of "circumnavigating the formal process" of appeal by using the media and websites to fight his conviction.
Jeremy Bamber, 55, is serving a whole life term for killing five members of his family in Essex in 1985.
His supporters are calling for evidence to be disclosed and wrote to MPs who in turn have written to Essex Police.
A reply from the chief constable's office has outlined the reasons why the force will not reopen his case.
In the reply, Insp Matt Cornish, Staff Officer to Essex Police's chief constable, makes reference to findings by the Court of Appeal and the Criminal Cases Review Commission in Bamber's case, which found no new evidence or proof the trial's fairness had been affected.
Insp Cornish said Bamber was "well aware of the legal processes that he should follow to seek a review of his convictions".
"His attempt at circumnavigating the formal process using the media and websites is ill-conceived," the letter continued. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-35932802


I would suggest the police message from Essex police was not only to Jeremy Bamber but to the J B Campaign Ltd company and all others who were involved.

It's down to Jeremy Bamber to reign in his supporters, after all without his public and private machinations there would be no campaign of his false claims of innocence.

IMO he is indirectly responsible for the "threats to kill" his surviving victims. It will be interesting to learn how Nigel is linked to Bamber and if they are in direct contact - or have been at one time or another.

This is something the police can investigate and get to the bottom of.

[ActualMat]

Mat maybe you or the person who got the fundraising event shut down should reach out to the Essex Chief Constable
https://www.ceoemail.com/s.php?id=ceo-75257 re the "death threats?"

Someone needs to stand up for the rights of Bamber's surviving victims

I will look into it this week, I think there is a chance that the press may be interested in it and the bonus that it is on a forum paid for by someone who works with Bambers defence team and has made questionable comments about the case in the past will further their interest. There's a lot to put together to submit it to the press to get their interest.

I agree with standing up for the Bamber relatives as they are victims too.

I do think that Essex police would be interested in the death threats but not the chief, emailing him (Or his secetary I guess) and asking them who best to email/phone about such threats would be the way to go with that.

[Nicholas]

I agree with standing up for the Bamber relatives as they are victims too.

I do think that Essex police would be interested in the death threats but not the chief, emailing him (Or his secetary I guess) and asking them who best to email/phone about such threats would be the way to go with that.

Julie Mugford was also threatened.

I've already drafted an email just need screen shots of the death threats, then I'm ready to send it.

[puglove]

I will look into it this week, I think there is a chance that the press may be interested in it and the bonus that it is on a forum paid for by someone who works with Bambers defence team and has made questionable comments about the case in the past will further their interest. There's a lot to put together to submit it to the press to get their interest.

I agree with standing up for the Bamber relatives as they are victims too.

I do think that Essex police would be interested in the death threats but not the chief, emailing him (Or his secetary I guess) and asking them who best to email/phone about such threats would be the way to go with that.

Maybe the first point of interest would be Nigel's death threats (and insults) to the existing family, then pull in Mike, who's a one-man cross between Walter Mitty, The League of Gentlemen and Nightmare Neighbour Next Door, then post some of Gladys' ravings (especially Gav!!), and round it off with a wander down "Erinaceous Fairy Tale" lane. If anyone out there still remembers Bamber, they deserve to know the calibre of his supporters.

[Nicholas]

I will look into it this week, I think there is a chance that the press may be interested in it and the bonus that it is on a forum paid for by someone who works with Bambers defence team and has made questionable comments about the case in the past will further their interest. There's a lot to put together to submit it to the press to get their interest.

I agree with standing up for the Bamber relatives as they are victims too.

I do think that Essex police would be interested in the death threats but not the chief, emailing him (Or his secetary I guess) and asking them who best to email/phone about such threats would be the way to go with that.

I'd have thought the press would be interested in the death threats, especially with the knowledge the owner of the forum is himself a convicted criminal.

The publisher of the death threats is of course a supporter of Bamber. That in itself would be enough IMO.

Plus, Bamber made threats to kill his family prior to the actual murders. It all links in.

The police are cracking down on this type of social media behaviour and have made examples of many individuals.

[Nicholas]

Maybe the first point of interest would be Nigel's death threats (and insults) to the existing family, then pull in Mike, who's a one-man cross between Walter Mitty, The League of Gentlemen and Nightmare Neighbour Next Door, then post some of Gladys' ravings (especially Gav!!), and round it off with a wander down "Erinaceous Fairy Tale" lane. If anyone out there still remembers Bamber, they deserve to know the calibre of his supporters.

This won't have been forgotten http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3472521/Mass-murder-Jeremy-Bamber-sends-supporter-read-bizarre-rant-grave-parents-killed-blaming-sister-murdered-mass-killing.html

And there's this:

"There was a very odd case in March 1994 when an alleged burglar, Michael Teskowski,claimed that while in prison he had provided confidential information that two men called Gricewith and Guest had killed Sgt. Speed with a gun which originallycamefromseniorWestYorkshire officers. In Court, Teskowski handed a sealed envelope to the presiding Judge in his case revealing the hiding place of the weapon used to gun down Sgt. Speed. He further alleged Guest's trial was 'scrapped because of acover-up by the WestYorkshire serious crime squad. A disinformer? Yes, but why bother with something so ludicrous. (YP,4.3.94.)
http://www.8bitmode.com/rogerdog/lobster/lobster29.pdf (Page 25 right hand side column)

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/killed-going-to-help-a-colleague-1-2533715

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=423.0

[puglove]

This won't have been forgotten http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3472521/Mass-murder-Jeremy-Bamber-sends-supporter-read-bizarre-rant-grave-parents-killed-blaming-sister-murdered-mass-killing.html

And there's this:

"There was a very odd case in March 1994 when an alleged burglar, Michael Teskowski,claimed that while in prison he had provided confidential information that two men called Gricewith and Guest had killed Sgt. Speed with a gun which originallycamefromseniorWestYorkshire officers. In Court, Teskowski handed a sealed envelope to the presiding Judge in his case revealing the hiding place of the weapon used to gun down Sgt. Speed. He further alleged Guest's trial was 'scrapped because of acover-up by the WestYorkshire serious crime squad. A disinformer? Yes, but why bother with something so ludicrous. (YP,4.3.94.)
http://www.8bitmode.com/rogerdog/lobster/lobster29.pdf (Page 25 right hand side column)

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/killed-going-to-help-a-colleague-1-2533715

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=423.0

Isn't it odd that everything and everyone that Bamber is associated with either is, or becomes, deeply dodgy? People (like MWT) start with good intentions, then back off like scalded cats. When they realise that Bamber is as guilty as surely as the swallows come back in the spring.

Thank goodness that Bamber will die in prison. He stole the lives of two lovely boys who were full of hope and promise. No amount of misguided bleatings by a fat old blonde bird who should know better  will negate that. 

[Nicholas]

https://www.gov.uk/complain-about-a-limited-company

Corporate abuse
Complain to the Insolvency Service if you have good reason to suspect an active company of corporate abuse, for example:

causing significant harm to customers or suppliers
dishonest or unethical activity (like not using company assets properly)
fraud, scams or breaking the law in another way
If you think the company might be committing serious and complex fraud, check if you should report it to the Serious Fraud Office.


"In September he phoned me and said he and the Campaign Team wanted me to pay for the new forensics tests.  He demanded I send him £4,000.  Before answering "no" I asked him who the scientists were as I wanted to check out their credentials.  He told me to mind my own business and just pay up.  He said if I didn't have the funds available then I should take out a bank loan.  He was very threatening and abusive.  When I started getting upset he shouted at me "stop playing the F*****ng victim."  I was so worried and concerned, I phoned the prison and discussed this call.  For anyone out there who thinks I may be telling lies, the prison confirmed that this call was recorded and retained so I have the proof.
I had already arranged a visit for October and went as planned and intended to discuss this matter with him.  He was quite unpleasant and told me he had never liked me and would never want me as a friend, along with other very hurtful remarks.  He told me himself that he had sacked Simon McKay.  I tried to talk some sense into him but he said "everyone plays to my tune or I dispose of them".   That appears to have been a lie as Simon claims to still be working for him.  I now realise I was there purely for the money.  I didn't turn up for the afternoon visit.
Back home, I wrote to Jeremy telling him how devastated I was that our friendship was a complete farce on his behalf and I was heartbroken that I was forced to walk away from him.  I have given him three months to reply and all I wanted was an apology and an explanation as to why he had lied to me for three years, pretending he was my friend.  This is why I have decided to tell my story as I don't want anyone else to be hurt by Jeremy.  I feel so guilty abandoning him but what choice did I have?  Andrea and Goatboy have got it absolutely spot on when they say Jeremy uses and abuses friends and then tosses them aside.  I feel desperately sorry for him.

[APRIL]

This won't have been forgotten http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3472521/Mass-murder-Jeremy-Bamber-sends-supporter-read-bizarre-rant-grave-parents-killed-blaming-sister-murdered-mass-killing.html

And there's this:

"There was a very odd case in March 1994 when an alleged burglar, Michael Teskowski,claimed that while in prison he had provided confidential information that two men called Gricewith and Guest had killed Sgt. Speed with a gun which originallycamefromseniorWestYorkshire officers. In Court, Teskowski handed a sealed envelope to the presiding Judge in his case revealing the hiding place of the weapon used to gun down Sgt. Speed. He further alleged Guest's trial was 'scrapped because of acover-up by the WestYorkshire serious crime squad. A disinformer? Yes, but why bother with something so ludicrous. (YP,4.3.94.)
http://www.8bitmode.com/rogerdog/lobster/lobster29.pdf (Page 25 right hand side column)

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/killed-going-to-help-a-colleague-1-2533715

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=423.0

Don't forget he also claims to know where Madeleine Macann is buried.

[Daisy]

https://www.gov.uk/complain-about-a-limited-company

Corporate abuse
Complain to the Insolvency Service if you have good reason to suspect an active company of corporate abuse, for example:

causing significant harm to customers or suppliers
dishonest or unethical activity (like not using company assets properly)
fraud, scams or breaking the law in another way
If you think the company might be committing serious and complex fraud, check if you should report it to the Serious Fraud Office.


"In September he phoned me and said he and the Campaign Team wanted me to pay for the new forensics tests.  He demanded I send him £4,000.  Before answering "no" I asked him who the scientists were as I wanted to check out their credentials.  He told me to mind my own business and just pay up.  He said if I didn't have the funds available then I should take out a bank loan.  He was very threatening and abusive.  When I started getting upset he shouted at me "stop playing the F*****ng victim."  I was so worried and concerned, I phoned the prison and discussed this call.  For anyone out there who thinks I may be telling lies, the prison confirmed that this call was recorded and retained so I have the proof.
I had already arranged a visit for October and went as planned and intended to discuss this matter with him.  He was quite unpleasant and told me he had never liked me and would never want me as a friend, along with other very hurtful remarks.  He told me himself that he had sacked Simon McKay.  I tried to talk some sense into him but he said "everyone plays to my tune or I dispose of them".   That appears to have been a lie as Simon claims to still be working for him.  I now realise I was there purely for the money.  I didn't turn up for the afternoon visit.
Back home, I wrote to Jeremy telling him how devastated I was that our friendship was a complete farce on his behalf and I was heartbroken that I was forced to walk away from him.  I have given him three months to reply and all I wanted was an apology and an explanation as to why he had lied to me for three years, pretending he was my friend.  This is why I have decided to tell my story as I don't want anyone else to be hurt by Jeremy.  I feel so guilty abandoning him but what choice did I have?  Andrea and Goatboy have got it absolutely spot on when they say Jeremy uses and abuses friends and then tosses them aside.  I feel desperately sorry for him.

These demands were made to me before it became a limited company so it doesn’t apply. It was just a group of people running it from the IT company where they worked. Shortly after that Mark Cropper a key player quickly left the CT and completely disassociated himself from them.

[puglove]

Don't forget he also claims to know where Madeleine Macann is buried.

And Keith Bennett. AND his Border Collie is an oncologist.

[Nicholas]

These demands were made to me before it became a limited company so it doesn’t apply. It was just a group of people running it from the IT company where they worked. Shortly after that Mark Cropper a key player quickly left the CT and completely disassociated himself from them.

Yes, I'm aware of that Daisy.

I'm also aware that the Campaign Team act on the strict instructions of Jeremy Bamber, they are all under his control, as can be evidence by the following:


"I am proud that all of us work collectively and with unity in one direction"
"It is not easy working and campaigning for someone for almost 26 long years and I wanted to say a very special thank you to those people who have made a huge effort and a very big difference to me over the years these include: Scott Lomax, Mike Teskowski and Tracy Brazier, and in more recent years Tracy Williams, Mark Cropper, Sarah Hanover and other campaigners both old and new who wish to remain nameless but have done so much for me.

I am also aware that it is a heavy burden of responsibility for anyone to carry over a long period and there are a large number of paper documents dispersed across many different counties. This brought the need for an electronic document management system which is primarily for use by my lawyers. The Mark and Sarah are the administrators of this document share have kindly offered their services free of charge to implement a system which would cost thousands and it has been done in a relatively short space of time. They do not carry out research in a way that other campaigners do and their role is purely administrative.

I also wanted Mark & Sarah to web publish the latest evidence presented from my CCRC application on the internet in a user friendly format. They have to work within the restrictions and confines of the law as do my legal team, they cannot link to other web sites which do not meet legal obligations.

My apologies if anyone has been confused by disclaimers recently made on this or any other site which was an oversight on my part and not anyone else. Mark and Sarah strictly adhered to my requests at all times. They do not make decisions on my behalf but are merely the facilitators of the administrative actions I would carry out myself had I not been imprisoned.

Thank you to all of you for your concerns and kindness in recent days and I am proud that all of us work collectively and with unity in one direction - towards my freedom and good news on 31st January."
Posted by Jeremy Bamber at Monday, January 24, 2011 https://jeremybamber.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/i-am-proud-that-all-of-us-work_2026.html

[Nicholas]

These demands were made to me before it became a limited company so it doesn’t apply. It was just a group of people running it from the IT company where they worked. Shortly after that Mark Cropper a key player quickly left the CT and completely disassociated himself from them.

"These demands" show the true character of Jeremy Bamber, that was my point.

Amazing how many people have completely dissociated themselves from him.

[Nicholas]

Yes, I'm aware of that Daisy.

I'm also aware that the Campaign Team act on the strict instructions of Jeremy Bamber, they are all under his control, as can be evidence by the following:


"I am proud that all of us work collectively and with unity in one direction"
"It is not easy working and campaigning for someone for almost 26 long years and I wanted to say a very special thank you to those people who have made a huge effort and a very big difference to me over the years these include: Scott Lomax, Mike Teskowski and Tracy Brazier, and in more recent years Tracy Williams, Mark Cropper, Sarah Hanover and other campaigners both old and new who wish to remain nameless but have done so much for me.

I am also aware that it is a heavy burden of responsibility for anyone to carry over a long period and there are a large number of paper documents dispersed across many different counties. This brought the need for an electronic document management system which is primarily for use by my lawyers. The Mark and Sarah are the administrators of this document share have kindly offered their services free of charge to implement a system which would cost thousands and it has been done in a relatively short space of time. They do not carry out research in a way that other campaigners do and their role is purely administrative.

I also wanted Mark & Sarah to web publish the latest evidence presented from my CCRC application on the internet in a user friendly format. They have to work within the restrictions and confines of the law as do my legal team, they cannot link to other web sites which do not meet legal obligations.

My apologies if anyone has been confused by disclaimers recently made on this or any other site which was an oversight on my part and not anyone else. Mark and Sarah strictly adhered to my requests at all times. They do not make decisions on my behalf but are merely the facilitators of the administrative actions I would carry out myself had I not been imprisoned.

Thank you to all of you for your concerns and kindness in recent days and I am proud that all of us work collectively and with unity in one direction - towards my freedom and good news on 31st January."
Posted by Jeremy Bamber at Monday, January 24, 2011 https://jeremybamber.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/i-am-proud-that-all-of-us-work_2026.html

Bamber makes it clear he is the puppet master "Mark and Sarah strictly adhered to my requests at all times. They do not make decisions on my behalf but are merely the facilitators of the administrative actions I would carry out myself had I not been imprisoned."