The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?

[Nicholas]

Here we go...


Emilia di Girolamo
@EmiliaDG
I have exchanged hundreds of letters and phone calls with Jeremy Bamber over the last ten years and am currently the only member of the media allowed to visit him. I have seen the new evidence and forensics reports and they are incredibly compelling
https://mobile.twitter.com/EmiliaDG/status/1214826947953516546

Emilia di Girolamo
@EmiliaDG
Writing True Crime you have the most enormous responsibility, to the victims, the surviving family and even the accused. It can be overwhelming. But I cannot imagine why any writer or producer would ever turn down new evidence. #WhiteHouseFarm
Jeremy Bamber begs ITV to postpone White House Farm after claiming ‘new evidence proves he didn’t...
LAWYERS for Jeremy Bamber begged ITV bosses to postpone a new show about the White House Farm killings because they claim new evidence proves he didn’t murder his family. The convicted murderer, 58…
thesun.co.uk
https://mobile.twitter.com/EmiliaDG/status/1214826759058862080

[Nicholas]

Bamber campaign calls on ITV to pull ‘dangerous drama’ by Jon Robins 9th Jan 2020

Supporters for the convicted killer Jeremy Bamber attempted to postpone the airing of a new drama based on the notorious case. As reported last month his legal team have issued judicial review proceedings against the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) over a failure to disclose evidence -see here.

They claim that the evidence could undermine Bamber’s 1986 conviction for the murders of his adoptive parents, sister and her six-year-old twin sons, thus rendering his whole life sentence a miscarriage of justice.

The first episode of the six-part ITV drama White House Farm aired last night. The Jeremy Bamber campaign accused the broadcaster of treating the tragedy ‘a money pot… reaping in millions of pounds from a family tragedy that is still unresolved.’

The actor who plays Bamber, Freddie Fox spoke told the Radio Times he decide not meet the prisoner who is serving a whole life tariff. ‘It was probably not the right decision for me [to contact Bamber] because the Jeremy Bamber I’m playing is a combination of the Jeremy Bamber that I’ve created as an actor, in my imagination, and factual, assiduous factual research. And he’s a different man now, it’s 35 years on, and he maintains his innocence.’

According to Bamber’s lawyer, Mark Newby said that they were concerned that that the drama would ‘place a fictional narrative in the public domain at a time when we have a looming High Court Challenge against the CPS’.

‘But more importantly we’re looking after that to get this case back before the Court of Appeal. Programmes such as this don’t just get aired and disappear they stay in the mind of the public and are available online. The actor playing Bamber in interviews refers to creating him from his imagination yet there is a danger the general public will assimilate the real Jeremy Bamber as being this actor.’

He points out that ITV declined any contact with the campaign adding: ‘It is just a dangerous drama to broadcast at this time which is why we invited them just to delay it, whilst matters proceed before the High Court.’
https://www.thejusticegap.com/bamber-campaign-calls-on-itv-to-pull-dangerous-drama/

[Nicholas]

Bamber campaign calls on ITV to pull ‘dangerous drama’ by Jon Robins 9th Jan 2020

Supporters for the convicted killer Jeremy Bamber attempted to postpone the airing of a new drama based on the notorious case. As reported last month his legal team have issued judicial review proceedings against the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) over a failure to disclose evidence -see here.

They claim that the evidence could undermine Bamber’s 1986 conviction for the murders of his adoptive parents, sister and her six-year-old twin sons, thus rendering his whole life sentence a miscarriage of justice.

The first episode of the six-part ITV drama White House Farm aired last night. The Jeremy Bamber campaign accused the broadcaster of treating the tragedy ‘a money pot… reaping in millions of pounds from a family tragedy that is still unresolved.’

The actor who plays Bamber, Freddie Fox spoke told the Radio Times he decide not meet the prisoner who is serving a whole life tariff. ‘It was probably not the right decision for me [to contact Bamber] because the Jeremy Bamber I’m playing is a combination of the Jeremy Bamber that I’ve created as an actor, in my imagination, and factual, assiduous factual research. And he’s a different man now, it’s 35 years on, and he maintains his innocence.’

According to Bamber’s lawyer, Mark Newby said that they were concerned that that the drama would ‘place a fictional narrative in the public domain at a time when we have a looming High Court Challenge against the CPS’.

‘But more importantly we’re looking after that to get this case back before the Court of Appeal. Programmes such as this don’t just get aired and disappear they stay in the mind of the public and are available online. The actor playing Bamber in interviews refers to creating him from his imagination yet there is a danger the general public will assimilate the real Jeremy Bamber as being this actor.’

He points out that ITV declined any contact with the campaign adding: ‘It is just a dangerous drama to broadcast at this time which is why we invited them just to delay it, whilst matters proceed before the High Court.’
https://www.thejusticegap.com/bamber-campaign-calls-on-itv-to-pull-dangerous-drama/

Cognitive dissonance is quite apparent.

First off a ‘fictional narrative’ has been in the public domain since day dot, put there by ‘puppet master’ Jeremy Bamber.

And what have Mark Newby and Bamber supporters used if not their imagination to buy into his narrative?

Being a psychopath (As confirmed by a psychiatrist for his defence team pre trial) Jeremy Bamber would have honed his acting skills over the years in order to fake a range of emotions.

[Nicholas]

According to Bamber’s lawyer, Mark Newby said that they were concerned that that the drama would ‘place a fictional narrative in the public domain at a time when we have a looming High Court Challenge against the CPS’.

I don’t believe Mark Newby is suffering from cognitive dissonance nor do I believe he believes in Bamber’s claims of innocence.

He chose to represent Jeremy Bamber and could have declined the request but I think the alleged disclosure issues in this case maybe behind Mark Newbys involvement, especially in light of Kevin Nunns rejection by the Supreme Court. https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2012-0175-judgment.pdf

National Training Conference on Investigating Miscarriages of Justice 2018
"Mark Newby, solicitor advocate, possibly the UK's foremost criminal appeal lawyer and a long term active supporter of innocence projects MJRCs, will talk about his recent successes and the technicalities of putting together an appeal case.
http://events.manchester.ac.uk/event/event:v7f-jdftuiyz-ea4yoz/national-training-conference-on-investigating-miscarriages-of-justice-2018

Tactics or technicalities won’t overturn Jeremy Bambers murder convictions

Referring to ITV’s White House Farm as a ‘dangerous drama’ shows a clear lack of comprehension for psychopathic individuals like Jeremy Bamber and no amount of reverse psychology or any type of persuasive technique will make an iota of difference to those of us who recognise this mass murderer for what he is

[Nicholas]

Roch Reply #957 on: Today at 11:26 AM
Well RJ, I may change my mind and watch it. But I think as the episodes go on, it's got to look more like he did it. If this were not the case, and they wanted to be more neutral, they would have cooperated with the defence. I should add, I feel heartfelt sorry for Colin. He believes what he believes. But I think that while he already knew Jeremy was no angel, he has been sold a perpetrator by the police and relatives. If it was ever proven in a court of law that it could not have been JB, how will Colin cope?
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10009.msg469353.html#msg469353


Foolish and disrespectful of Roch (And/or others) to suggest Colin Caffell doesn’t have a mind of his own and hasn’t looked at all possibilities 

[Myster]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Michelle_Diskin/status/1215030357348757504
The AGA cooker was cream-coloured not red, and it didn't have any scratches on it!!!

So much for Michelle Bates pointing out inaccuracies!

[Caroline]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Michelle_Diskin/status/1215030357348757504
The AGA cooker was cream-coloured not red, and it didn't have any scratches on it!!!

So much for Michelle Bates pointing out inaccuracies!

 

[Nicholas]

Roch Reply #957 on: Today at 11:26 AM
Well RJ, I may change my mind and watch it. But I think as the episodes go on, it's got to look more like he did it. If this were not the case, and they wanted to be more neutral, they would have cooperated with the defence. I should add, I feel heartfelt sorry for Colin. He believes what he believes. But I think that while he already knew Jeremy was no angel, he has been sold a perpetrator by the police and relatives. If it was ever proven in a court of law that it could not have been JB, how will Colin cope?
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10009.msg469353.html#msg469353


Foolish and disrespectful of Roch (And/or others) to suggest Colin Caffell doesn’t have a mind of his own and hasn’t looked at all possibilities 

Would be interested to hear how Roch and other Bamber supporters think it would ever be possible to prove ‘in a court of law that it could not have been JB’

For a start, the court of appeal look at whether or not a conviction is safe in law not at actual factual guilt or innocence.

And given the volume of freudian slips and contradictions made by Jeremy Bamber over the years I fail to see how anything he has to say would stand up to scrutiny.

There’s been no new objective evidence for over 3 decades; the public have only ever witnessed Bamber chancing his luck and nothing appears to have changed - other than his legal team.

[Nicholas]

Empowering the Innocent (ETI)
@EmpowerInnocent
All people are asking for is for the full disclosure of everything and all evidence and exhibits to allow a thorough investigation (akin to a public enquiry) into #JeremyBamber claim of innocence to try to determine its truthfulness or otherwise. Why is this such a problem?

Michael Naughton appears to be calling for a public enquiry in the Bamber case yet buried his head in the sand over Simon Halls case (After his guilt was exposed)



William Beck
@WullieBeck
Jan 9
Replying to
@EmpowerInnocent
Why was the rifle removed before photos were taken.
Was it because it did not show any silencer attached ?

And seems William Beck is unaware the silencer was found under the stairs

[Nicholas]

I don’t believe Mark Newby is suffering from cognitive dissonance nor do I believe he believes in Bamber’s claims of innocence.

He chose to represent Jeremy Bamber and could have declined the request but I think the alleged disclosure issues in this case maybe behind Mark Newbys involvement, especially in light of Kevin Nunns rejection by the Supreme Court. https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2012-0175-judgment.pdf

Tactics or technicalities won’t overturn Jeremy Bambers murder convictions

Referring to ITV’s White House Farm as a ‘dangerous drama’ shows a clear lack of comprehension for psychopathic individuals like Jeremy Bamber and no amount of reverse psychology or any type of persuasive technique will make an iota of difference to those of us who recognise this mass murderer for what he is

Jeremy Bamber to Daisy, ‘everyone plays to my tune or I dispose of them’

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3187.msg119162#msg119162

[Nicholas]

Jeremy Bamber to Daisy, ‘everyone plays to my tune or I dispose of them’

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3187.msg119162#msg119162

“Although it can be obvious to those around them, people in cults often don’t realize what they have become a part of. Psychologist Dr. Margaret Thaler Singer spent most of her career studying the psychology of cults and brainwashing. She found that most people enter a cult willingly, without realizing the power it is bound to have over them. Singer theorizes that this is partly because some people are more willing to see the perceived benefits than they are the potential dangers. She also mentions that many people assume cults are only religious, though in truth, cults can also be political groups, lifestyle groups, or business groups.
https://www.onlinepsychologydegree.info/what-to-know-about-the-psychology-of-cults/

[Myster]

So that's what happened to Simon McKay.  Mark Newby is in for a shock when Bamber kicks him into touch when he's of no further use...

[APRIL]

“Although it can be obvious to those around them, people in cults often don’t realize what they have become a part of. Psychologist Dr. Margaret Thaler Singer spent most of her career studying the psychology of cults and brainwashing. She found that most people enter a cult willingly, without realizing the power it is bound to have over them. Singer theorizes that this is partly because some people are more willing to see the perceived benefits than they are the potential dangers. She also mentions that many people assume cults are only religious, though in truth, cults can also be political groups, lifestyle groups, or business groups...................................
https://www.onlinepsychologydegree.info/what-to-know-about-the-psychology-of-cults/

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[Nicholas]

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’Cults maintain their power by promoting an “us vs. them” mentality.

‘Cults prove powerful because they are able to successfully isolate members from their former, non-cult lives. One of the ways cult leaders achieve this is to convince their followers that they are superior to those not in the cult. This “us vs. them” mentality ultimately leads to cult members isolating themselves socially from friends and family. They replace those relationships with new ones inside the cult

[Nicholas]

So that's what happened to Simon McKay.  Mark Newby is in for a shock when Bamber kicks him into touch when he's of no further use...

Don’t you think Mark Newby is already part of the ‘cult’ that is the ‘wrongful conviction arena?’

https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/21e7258c-2461-4a1f-af60-bbfb885de507