The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?

[Nicholas]

So that's what happened to Simon McKay.  Mark Newby is in for a shock when Bamber kicks him into touch when he's of no further use...

Doubt Mark Newby will be shocked when Bamber ‘kicks him into touch’ suspect most solicitors see this sort of behaviour as part & parcel of the work they do.

[Nicholas]

Jeremy Bamber to Daisy, ‘everyone plays to my tune or I dispose of them’

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3187.msg119162#msg119162

Julie Mugford’s interview is worth listening to again @ around 16.30 below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k96gmbXLoMw

She states,

‘He used to say things to shock people”

[Nicholas]

Julie Mugford’s interview is worth listening to again @ around 16.30 below

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k96gmbXLoMw

When asked why she didn’t go to the police before, she appears to me to be describing a state of cognitive dissonance

[Nicholas]

When asked why she didn’t go to the police before, she appears to me to be describing a state of cognitive dissonance

This is supported by the fact she stated @ around 24.17

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k96gmbXLoMw

when asked if she still had feelings for Bamber,

‘I feel something for him but I just think he’s a very sad man’

[Nicholas]

Don’t you think Mark Newby is already part of the ‘cult’ that is the ‘wrongful conviction arena?’

https://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/21e7258c-2461-4a1f-af60-bbfb885de507

Remember this from Simon McKay http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=305.0

[Nicholas]

Bamber supporter Mark Williams Thomas’s contribution https://www.williams-thomas.co.uk/uploads/images/Bamber-Innocent-or-Guilty.pdf

Excerpts (by Mark Williams Thomas):
“It is however this simple narrative that undermines the whole case, when carefully analysed and considered against what is known now. The Judge, quite correctly, stated that the murders were either carried out by Sheila Cafell or Jeremy, thereby ruling out a third-party involvement.
Given the brutal and frantic nature of the murders at the farm house it would be fair to assess that the killings took place when the killer was in some kind of frenzied or psychotic state. So, what was the mental background of the two suspects? Jeremy had no history of psychosis or mental illness, no drug or alcohol dependence, in fact Jeremy’s mental health both then and now is considered stable and balanced.

“However, when one asks the question, based solely on personalities and mental state, who had the present behaviour capable of carrying out this massacre, the answer for all to see is a simple one, it has to be Sheila.

“Photographs are vital in this case. In court the evidence given was that there was no blood on the soles of Sheila’s feet, but this was not the case. From the photographs I have in my possession blood spatter is evident on her left foot,
 which would be entirely consistent with her having trodden in blood. This would suggest that a murder had been committed whilst she was alive and wandering around

[Vertigo Swirl]

Bamber supporter Mark Williams Thomas’s contribution https://www.williams-thomas.co.uk/uploads/images/Bamber-Innocent-or-Guilty.pdf

Excerpts (by Mark Williams Thomas):
“It is however this simple narrative that undermines the whole case, when carefully analysed and considered against what is known now. The Judge, quite correctly, stated that the murders were either carried out by Sheila Cafell or Jeremy, thereby ruling out a third-party involvement.
Given the brutal and frantic nature of the murders at the farm house it would be fair to assess that the killings took place when the killer was in some kind of frenzied or psychotic state. So, what was the mental background of the two suspects? Jeremy had no history of psychosis or mental illness, no drug or alcohol dependence, in fact Jeremy’s mental health both then and now is considered stable and balanced.

“However, when one asks the question, based solely on personalities and mental state, who had the present behaviour capable of carrying out this massacre, the answer for all to see is a simple one, it has to be Sheila.

“Photographs are vital in this case. In court the evidence given was that there was no blood on the soles of Sheila’s feet, but this was not the case. From the photographs I have in my possession blood spatter is evident on her left foot,
 which would be entirely consistent with her having trodden in blood. This would suggest that a murder had been committed whilst she was alive and wandering around

Surely forensic examination of the bullets can tell whether or not the bullets used on Sheila went through a silencer or not?

[Holly Goodhead]

Surely forensic examination of the bullets can tell whether or not the bullets used on Sheila went through a silencer or not?

You would think so but much of the ballistics was handled by a Malcolm Fletcher who worked for a Home Office lab (prosecution) who told the court at trial his relevant experience included "A small amount of experience with an air rifle as a small boy". 

In theory the defense should be in a position to carry out further forensic tests on the bullets but all trial exhibits excluding the rifle and silencer, were destroyed many moons ago.

[Caroline]

Surely forensic examination of the bullets can tell whether or not the bullets used on Sheila went through a silencer or not?

Apparently, a suppressor doesn't mark the bullet.

[Myster]

You would think so but much of the ballistics was handled by a Malcolm Fletcher who worked for a Home Office lab (prosecution) who told the court at trial his relevant experience included "A small amount of experience with an air rifle as a small boy". 

In theory the defense should be in a position to carry out further forensic tests on the bullets but all trial exhibits excluding the rifle and silencer, were destroyed many moons ago.

Here we go again!... pull your perennial canard out of the hat.  Malcolm Fletcher had a damn sight more experience of arms and ammunition than you.

[Holly Goodhead]

Here we go again!... pull your perennial canard out of the hat.  Malcolm Fletcher had a damn sight more experience of arms and ammunition than you.

But unlike MF I wasn't considered an 'expert' at JB's trial providing judge and jury with misleading info.

[Holly Goodhead]

Apparently, a suppressor doesn't mark the bullet.

I think it mostly does but in this case apparently not!  We will never know since all exhibits have been destroyed against all protocols.

[Myster]

Bamber supporter Mark Williams Thomas’s contribution https://www.williams-thomas.co.uk/uploads/images/Bamber-Innocent-or-Guilty.pdf

Excerpts (by Mark Williams Thomas):
“It is however this simple narrative that undermines the whole case, when carefully analysed and considered against what is known now. The Judge, quite correctly, stated that the murders were either carried out by Sheila Cafell or Jeremy, thereby ruling out a third-party involvement.
Given the brutal and frantic nature of the murders at the farm house it would be fair to assess that the killings took place when the killer was in some kind of frenzied or psychotic state. So, what was the mental background of the two suspects? Jeremy had no history of psychosis or mental illness, no drug or alcohol dependence, in fact Jeremy’s mental health both then and now is considered stable and balanced.

“However, when one asks the question, based solely on personalities and mental state, who had the present behaviour capable of carrying out this massacre, the answer for all to see is a simple one, it has to be Sheila.

“Photographs are vital in this case. In court the evidence given was that there was no blood on the soles of Sheila’s feet, but this was not the case. From the photographs I have in my possession blood spatter is evident on her left foot,
 which would be entirely consistent with her having trodden in blood. This would suggest that a murder had been committed whilst she was alive and wandering around

Utterly incredible and astonishing!   How can this self-styled "detective" get facts of this case so wrong?!

From the belief that Nevill had been shot six times in the head, when he had received only four bullets there, as well as two to his jaw, one to his left shoulder and one to his left arm... to the utterly ludicrous assertion that Detective Superintendent Mike Ainsley thought Sheila Caffell was the culprit, whereas in fact he was a leader of the team which actually nailed and jailed Bamber!

[Snowgirl]

Utterly incredible and astonishing!   How can this self-styled "detective" get facts of this case so wrong?!

From the belief that Nevill had been shot six times in the head, when he had received only four bullets there, as well as two to his jaw, one to his left shoulder and one to his left arm... to the utterly ludicrous assertion that Detective Superintendent Mike Ainsley thought Sheila Caffell was the culprit, whereas in fact he was a leader of the team which actually nailed and jailed Bamber!

He’s got more than this wrong in fact .Recently said a CCTV camera would have caught Madeleine McCann’s abductor if it hadn’t been switched off.  In fact the tape had been wiped   by the time detectives got to it .



McCann’

[Nicholas]

He’s got more than this wrong in fact .Recently said a CCTV camera would have caught Madeleine McCann’s abductor if it hadn’t been switched off.  In fact the tape had been wiped   by the time detectives got to it .



McCann’

Re Mark Williams Thomas

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6033123/Documentary-maker-offered-sell-names-DJ-Jonathan-Kings-child-sex-abuse-victims.html

‘A former police officer in the Jonathan King case who is now a TV documentary reporter offered to sell the names of the pop mogul’s victims, according to a judge.
…But yesterday his professional reputation was called into question after Judge Deborah Taylor delivered a withering assessment of his previous work for Surrey Police on the King case. before he left the force in October 2000 Mr Williams-Thomas was the detective who interviewed the first man to accuse King of sexual assault. He [i.e. Williams-Thomas] was subsequently accused – and acquitted – of blackmail in an unrelated case.
Yesterday the judge said:

‘During the investigation into that offence a document was found on his computer offering for sale names and introductions to victims of Mr King.’

…The judge added that it had been suggested

‘there was deliberate concealment of his previous prosecution and of the documents indicating attempts to gain financial advantage from selling details of Mr King’s case’.
https://barthsnotes.com/2018/08/09/jonathan-king-and-mark-williams-thomas-some-media-notes/