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Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #780 on: February 05, 2020, 10:23:40 AM »
CAL setting the record straight https://m.facebook.com/pg/CarolAnnLeeAuthor/posts/?ref=page_internal&mt_nav=0

Separating fact from fiction


Thanks for that, Nicholas.

I had previously read that CAL and JB exchanged only about 5 or 6 letters. That's obviously not true then!

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Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #781 on: February 05, 2020, 12:55:51 PM »
Bamber's Fanny Club fantasy and CAL's copious collection...

Fanny club s right!

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Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #782 on: February 05, 2020, 08:02:58 PM »
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There is evidence to suggest the police having been in conversation with Sheila Caffell ‘Firearms team are in conversation with someone from inside the farm’. It has been suggested this

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...is referring to Jeremy Bamber, but he was referred to by his name or 'the son' and not as an unknown person. Nor was he 'inside the farm'. In all instances ‘inside the farm’ was repeatedly used by the police to mean ‘inside the farmhouse
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Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #783 on: February 06, 2020, 12:38:25 PM »
Lookout claims: 

There is a media company who have studied the Bamber case and who are also adamant that JB is innocent and who are presently an interested party. We'll see what transpires.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,6321.msg477066.html#msg477066

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Having studied this case I truly cannot believe he is still in prison Robin Garbutt is the victim here!! Missing clump of hair from evidence, the man was a scapegoat pure and simple

https://mobile.twitter.com/media_porch/status/1222948613271232519

Black porch media productions claim on their website;

‘We research and produce documentaries, screen plays and films. We are currently working to produce a documentary to expose the failings of the British Justice System in regard to a terrible miscarriage of justice against ...
https://backporchmediaprod.wixsite.com/website

Black porch media productions claim here https://www.starnow.co.uk/backporchmediaproductions there are a ‘growing production compamy’

To date they have produced - nothing

Nothing to see here I’m afraid Lookout, just your imagination.

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Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #784 on: February 06, 2020, 04:17:16 PM »
A pity. Thought some old buddies were saying 'hi'.

He’s tweeted an article from 2003 regarding Ray Gilbert https://mobile.twitter.com/michael47478285/status/1225017729511579648

In October 2016 a news article reported on Ray Gilbert’s release from prison after 36 years.

Maybe he thinks it will give Bamber supporters ‘hope’ ?

Rather alarmingly the same article reported,

There were fears that both men may come into contact with each other at a National Miscarriage of Justice Day meeting at John Moores University on Saturday.

The ECHO understands that Gilbert wanted to attend the meeting but has been advised not to by campaigners, who fear any flashpoints could potentially land him back in jail.

Mr Kamara, however, is attending the event. He told the ECHO: “I am coming up to talk to people and help other people on how to fight their case.”

One of the city’s most contentious murders, Gilbert, 56, penned a confession on paper during questioning and pleaded guilty in court - but has since protested his innocence over the 19-wound attack.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/murderer-ray-gilbert-released-prison-11989227

Copper who investigated controversial John Suffield bookies murder reveals behaviour of killer Raymond Gilbert
“NEW details have emerged of the controversial conviction of a killer who knifed a Liverpool bookie to death.

“Now, the investigating police officer has come forward to the ECHO.
John Wright, from the then Serious Crime Squad’s explained how:
The suspect demonstrated how he repeatedly stabbed John by grabbing the interviewing police officer.
Gilbert, on the spur of the moment, penned a confession on paper during questioning.
His first account of the incident was so “detailed, plausible, and fitting the circumstances” that he had to be present at the murder.
Gilbert’s co-accused John Kamara was freed in 2000 after his conviction was ruled unsafe and quashed by the Court of Appeal.
His colleague remains in jail as, although he has served his minimum 15-year tariff, his refusal to admit the crime means he cannot be considered for release by The Parole Board.
Mr Wright, now retired, told the ECHO: “Originally, a bus passenger saw Gilbert going into the bookies and drew a picture of him and Kamara.
“Me and my colleague Ray Prentice (detective sergeant) showed it round the office and they immediately recognised them, as they were always round that area, and known criminals.
“When we went to arrest him (Gilbert) his girlfriend answered and straightaway said: ‘I know what it’s about, he was with me.’
“In interview, when we asked Gilbert, ‘how did you stab Suffield?’, he stood me up, put his hands round my neck and showed how he cut his mouth and face.
“You could tell he was there when it happened. It was very scary.”
During questioning, Mr Wright explained how Gilbert wrote a confession: “I couldn’t believe what he was saying. I was looking at Ray and thinking, ‘God....’ He didn’t want a solicitor, he was cock-a-hoop.
“Gilbert wrote it in his own handwriting. He wasn’t the brightest in the box, but he wasn’t thick. It was a horrible murder, one of the worst I’d worked on.”
Justice campaigner Bruce Kent, supporting Gilbert’s case, has dismissed a further letter written by the killer in which he apparently ‘confessed’.
That read: “I punched him twice in the face. I then produced a knife and said, ‘If I have to resort to use this to get the answer about where the bread is, I will, but I don’t want to.’
“We took him into the back room and pushed him on to a chair…I asked Suffield how to get open the other part of the safe. He was trying to mumble but I couldn’t hear what he was saying… I was angry and lost my temper…”
That statement was written after Gilbert’s conviction, in an apparent bid to clear his co-accused Kamara.
Mr Kent, speaking of the confession in police interview, said: “This was signed after two days and nights of frequent interrogation by police officers with no one else present – permissible in 1981 but not today.
“There was no other evidence whatsoever connecting Gilbert to the murder – weapon, bloodstains, fingerprints or witness identification.
In the middle of that interrogation he was told that his alibi (his girlfriend) had changed her story. She had, under police pressure.”
He added: “Any policeman is bound to defend his position to the hilt.
“The confession made with police made no reference to the inner safe which is crucial. I don’t think Raymond Gilbert is a saint, but he’s not a murderer.”
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/copper-who-investigated-controversial-john-3352034

R. v. John Kamara [2000] EWCA Crim 37
http://netk.net.au/UK/Kamara.asp

In their ‘Cases and Reports’ section ‘Progressing Prisoners Maintaining Innocence’ alongside Mark Alexander here http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=98.0 they’ve included,

Raymond Gilbert
‘Convicted of murder in Liverpool in December 1981, Ray was given a 15 year tariff but served 36 years in prison. He was finally released in 2017.  He attributes the many years in prison after his tariff (minimum term) had ended to the fact that he maintained his innocence throughout.  If he had pretended to be guilty he could have been released many years earlier.
http://www.prisonersmaintaininginnocence.org.uk/cases-and-reports/
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Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #785 on: February 15, 2020, 12:47:55 AM »
“Author Scott Lomax, who wrote Jeremy Bamber: Evil, Almost Beyond Belief? spoke exclusively to Express.co.uk about Bamber and his personality.

Lomax described him as an “intelligent man” who was “very charming” and “comes across as very confident.”

He added: “He has always struck me as someone who is putting on a brave face.”

Lomax explained: “I have met Jeremy Bamber several times in prison. I have also spoken to him on the phone countless times and exchanged around 200 letters with him, since March 2003.

“I first met him at Full Sutton a Prison in October 2004. He is an intelligent man who describes himself as an ‘old pro’ in terms of campaigning.

“He is a very charming man who comes across as very confident but he has always struck me as someone who is putting on a brave face.

“It has always been apparent to me that he is very concerned about pleasing other people, including his supporters. From what I understand from those who knew him before his arrest, he has always been like this and has been too trusting of people who have then let him down.
https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1240858/White-House-Farm-where-is-Jeremy-Bamber-today-prison-life-sentence-ITV-series?video=
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Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #786 on: February 15, 2020, 09:07:51 AM »
So he can curse in cursive after all!...

JB recently said he only wrote to CAL six times

I know he’s a pathological liar, but surely he must realise how wails you he can get tripped up?

Is he unintelligent for a psychopath?

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Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #787 on: February 15, 2020, 10:34:45 AM »
JB recently said he only wrote to CAL six times

I know he’s a pathological liar, but surely he must realise how wails you he can get tripped up?

Is he unintelligent for a psychopath?

Where has he said how many times he wrote to CAL?

I exchanged about 20 pieces of correspondence with him over about 6 years.  The longest was about 8 pages in   capitals and the shortest were notes, again in capitals, on small cards.  I formed the opinion he had no idea about the aspects of the case I was interested in. 

How have you arrived at the decision he's a pathological liar and psychopath?



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Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #788 on: February 15, 2020, 01:26:32 PM »
JB recently said he only wrote to CAL six times

I know he’s a pathological liar, but surely he must realise how wails you he can get tripped up?

Is he unintelligent for a psychopath?

The CT have claimed this but if Bamber fed them that info, the recent pictures published by CAL prove he's a liar.

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Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #789 on: February 15, 2020, 02:04:17 PM »
The CT have claimed this but if Bamber fed them that info, the recent pictures published by CAL prove he's a liar.

And notice how journalists, especially those within the ‘wrongful conviction’ arena and the like, have chosen to turn a blind eye to this fact
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Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #790 on: February 18, 2020, 06:32:40 PM »
Where has he said how many times he wrote to CAL?

I exchanged about 20 pieces of correspondence with him over about 6 years.  The longest was about 8 pages in   capitals and the shortest were notes, again in capitals, on small cards.  I formed the opinion he had no idea about the aspects of the case I was interested in. 

How have you arrived at the decision he's a pathological liar and psychopath?

I’ll find it for you...I like to help :)

He said he’d only written 5 or 5 times to Carol Ann Lee

She posted screenshots of all the letters and envelopes she received from him, which came to hundreds, maybe thousands

Shall post it soon

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Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #792 on: February 20, 2020, 07:46:49 PM »

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Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #793 on: February 20, 2020, 08:32:00 PM »
Hender certainly likes washing his dirty underpants in public.  Yet more crap...

https://davidhender.life/2020/02/08/jeremy-bamber-the-gross-injustice-of-his-conviction-due-to-the-inept-and-corrupt-essex-police/

Wouldn't be surprised in the least if this originated in HMP Full Sutton.
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Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #794 on: February 20, 2020, 09:56:48 PM »
A nice little earner...

https://davidhender.life/2020/02/19/i-am-not-the-only-one-to-be-stitched-up-by-the-police-jeremy-bamber-has-too-updated/

Actually, EP didn't dispute that there was an interview, not that there is a suicide note.

"Daily Star Online contacted both Essex Police and the Metropolitan Police about the existence of this interview and it was not disputed."

By the sound of it, they didn't confirm it either!