The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?

[Caroline]

Mike O’Brien on Bamber,

“He stood out for me, and he seemed lost just like I once was when I first went to prison”

https://www.essexlive.news/news/essex-news/ex-prisoner-who-time-jeremy-544177

A man for all seasons.

[Nicholas]

Anyone know about this case from 2011 - it mentions another case of a Michael O’Brien not to be confused with the one above 

He murdered his enemies. Now from his cell, Colin Gunn is murdering British justice by insisting on his 'human rights' by Steve Bird
“Last week, the Prisons and Probation Ombudsman kow-towed to his demands to have official records of his behaviour in jail given to him without sensitive details being censored.
Among the details to be handed to him from now on are the names of staff who have logged comments on his behaviour.
And at one point he was even allowed to contact friends and family from his cell through Facebook. All of which serves as an added insult to the relatives of those he killed or who endured his mafia‑style beatings.
Javed Khan, the chief executive of Victim Support, speaks for those still protected by police in case of revenge attacks by Gunn’s hoodlums.
‘Given that people have lost their lives and liberty because of Colin Gunn’s crimes, it is disgraceful and an offence to his victims and their families that he is exploiting legal loopholes to advance his own freedom and rights,’ he says.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2072945/He-murdered-enemies-Now-cell-hes-murdering-British-justice-insisting-human-rights.html

Nottingham ganglord Colin Gunn loses human rights case 2014
“In May 2013, he was transferred from HMP Frankland in County Durham to what was described by a national newspaper as a "Silence of the Lambs"-style cell.
The court heard Gunn had arranged for an inmate to pass a note to a prison officer on which was written the address of the officer's disabled brother, telling him, "Well, you now work for me and Colin Gunn".
Gunn's barrister, Philip Rule, argued that the four months in top security unlawfully interfered with his ability to receive visitors and therefore his right to respect for private and family life under the European Convention on Human Rights.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-27331112

Barrister Philip Rule explains the importance of appealing
https://insidetime.org/appeal-against-unlawful-ipp-succeeds-eight-years-after-imposition/


Was Bamber ever kept in the ‘silence of lambs’ style cell during his time at Frankland?

[ISpyWithMyEye]

So everything you say about him is mere speculation based on no evidence at all.

The difference between you and me, G-Unit, is I'm basing my opinions on the FACTS I’ve read about him, including him being found Guilty on five counts of murder, two failed appeals; one failed appeal at the Human Rights Court; his previous conviction for burglary & theft; him growing and dealing in drugs; his callous behaviour after the deaths; how he sold off valuables which weren’t yet his; how he tried to sell Sheila’s nude photos for £20k to The Sun, not considering the humiliation & betrayal when she’d only been dead over a week — effectively “dancing on her grave” after he’d killed her; killing off June’s dog; partying, holidaying, laughing, gorging on expensive meals, downing Champagne when his family had only been dead just days —  and all those who knew him well and said what a horrible cold calculating character he had.


Your views aren’t based on any of those irrefutable FACTS: your views are based on fairytales, dreams, and lies you want to believe so your bubble of fantasy isn’t burst

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Don’t suppose she’s thought about it or considered it’s possible significance ?

Can’t say I blame her, imagining a grown adult like Bamber (with no mental health issues remember) someone you ‘care about’ covering themselves and the walls in excrement isn’t a very nice thought nor is it pleasant to witness and then to have to imagine someone else, a complete stranger having to clean up after him?

Wonder if whoever cleaned up after him were physically sick afterwards?

I wonder if he washed that pony tail before giving it to Agatha?

Was it even his?

It’s a very strange story as I’ve been reliable informed that inmates can’t give visitors gifts, nor send them...maybe he’s into smuggling now.

Back to him smearing his faeces on walls and his naked body; did he say what he was protesting at? He isn’t a political prisoner. So what was his beef?

I suspect he just enjoyed it, and got a sadistic kick out of knowing the prison staff had to be subjected to the stench and sight of what he rubbed all over the walls and his body, and knowing they’d have to wear PPE to clean it all up.

[Nicholas]

I wonder if he washed that pony tail before giving it to Agatha?

Was it even his?

It’s a very strange story as I’ve been reliable informed that inmates can’t give visitors gifts, nor send them...maybe he’s into smuggling now.

Back to him smearing his faeces on walls and his naked body; did he say what he was protesting at? He isn’t a political prisoner. So what was his beef?

I suspect he just enjoyed it, and got a sadistic kick out of knowing the prison staff had to be subjected to the stench and sight of what he rubbed all over the walls and his body, and knowing they’d have to wear PPE to clean it all up.

She’s not mentioned what it smelled like then or now - no idea - can only imagine 

Who knows?

Aunt Agathas not saying why he did what he did

His actions show he couldn’t care less about prison staff

‘Coprophilia also called scatophilia or scat is the paraphilia involving sexual arousal and pleasure from feces’
Although there may be no connection between coprophilia and sadomasochism (SM), the limited data on the former comes from studies of the latter.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprophilia

Wouldn’t be at all surprised to learn he smirks when he regales his supporters with his accounts of what he did though

[ISpyWithMyEye]

‘For as rigidly constricted as the narcissist’s character structure is, their fabricated, super-sized “false self” still requires the assistance of others to remain securely (though artificially) inflated.

That’s so, so true.

Bamber needs his supporters, but not for the reason they think. He knows he doesn’t have a hope in hell of ever being released, so he relies on his fawning supporters to entertain him. Besides alleviating his boredom and dull rigid routine, he gets little ego massages when he receives his “fan mail” and updates from his most devoted campaigners, who he really can’t stand but they feed his ego,  and beggars can’t be choosers...

He sets them tasks, and off they trot doing as they’re instructed. Then they report back, having printed off all the hard work they’ve done for him, all the long thought out letters they’ve sent to MP’s, police, lawyers etc; printing off all the online replies he’s received  to his social media accounts, blogs, campaign pages, everything that names HIM. He loves to see his name circulated, he loves the limelight, and must have felt flat when WhiteHouseFarm ended and people forgot all about him again and no longer mentioned him on Twitter.

Actually, what would really drive him to distraction is if no-one ever discussed him again.

[Nicholas]

“What, reading between the lines, this characterization reveals is that, if it’s to feel stable and secure, the narcissist’s self-aggrandizing sense of superiority depends on others’ constant confirmation. And this need to have their alleged five-star glory outwardly validated is precisely what makes them dependent on others, rendering them vulnerable to those who, calculatingly, would corroborate their “specialness”—but only to achieve their own ends. Moreover, many times these ends amount to nothing more than avenging themselves against the narcissist who, in the past, callously exploited them, and by doing so left them with powerful feelings of anger and resentment.

Having been taken advantage of and inhumanely objectified, these victims felt not only exploited but demeaned, insulted, even humiliated—and all because of the narcissist’s egregious lack of empathy. So, in the simplest of terms, the DSM’s terse overview of the most distinctive narcissistic qualities suggests the interpersonal dynamic that accounts for how the narcissist’s manipulations can lead to their victims’ retaliatory counter-manipulations.

It’s important to explain this phenomenon on the basis of what psychoanalytic theory labels “narcissistic supply”—that which all malignant narcissists must rely on to fill the gnawing vacuum residing deep inside themselves. Emotionally disconnected from others, narcissists cannot value anyone independently of how they might address the demands of their ego, which are insatiable. So they’re destined to pursue others, but only to the degree that they can “supply” the narcissist with the attention, affirmation, admiration, praise, and respect they crave. For only then can the narcissist keep safely buried whatever ancient doubts they still harbor about their fundamental worth.

The psychology of wickedness: psychopathy & sadism
http://drreidmeloy.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/1997_ThePsychologyof.pdf

[Nicholas]

In what year were Bamber’s ‘dirty protests’ and what has he told the CT & his supporters about them?

Would the professional and compassionate prison officers, who had to clean up after him, remember the dates ?

And how much ‘specialist personal protective equipment’ PPE is used up during the clean ups?

What has Bamber said about these protests and of the risks he put these officers under?

Does Aunt Agatha know?

Trudi Benjamin?

Anyone?

“Today is a day I dread every year the anniversary of our sons wrongful conviction now into his 15th year. This is how I will remember Ben today fun loving son before all our lives as a family were ripped apart. #MiscarriageOfJustice

Tru Benjamin
@tru68
Replying to @GeenErica
Hopefully another day nearer to justice.  Thinking of you all.


R v Benjamin David Geen
https://bengeen.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/geen-judgment.pdf


“He was fond of self-aggrandisement," Mr Austin-Smith told the jury.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2006/feb/16/health.crime


“Detective Superintendent Andy Taylor, who led the murder investigation, said: "Ben Geen abused this position of trust.
"We may never know what motivated him to select and poison his victims.
"It is clear that he wanted to be the centre of attention and in order to fuel this desire, brought some of his patients to the brink of death and coldly murdered two of them."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4918462.stm

[ISpyWithMyEye]

“Today is a day I dread every year the anniversary of our sons wrongful conviction now into his 15th year. This is how I will remember Ben today fun loving son before all our lives as a family were ripped apart. #MiscarriageOfJustice

Tru Benjamin
@tru68
Replying to @GeenErica
Hopefully another day nearer to justice.  Thinking of you all.


R v Benjamin David Geen
https://bengeen.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/geen-judgment.pdf


“He was fond of self-aggrandisement," Mr Austin-Smith told the jury.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2006/feb/16/health.crime


“Detective Superintendent Andy Taylor, who led the murder investigation, said: "Ben Geen abused this position of trust.
"We may never know what motivated him to select and poison his victims.
"It is clear that he wanted to be the centre of attention and in order to fuel this desire, brought some of his patients to the brink of death and coldly murdered two of them."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4918462.stm

Sorry to go off topic, but is Ben the son of Trudie Benjamin?

[Nicholas]

Sorry to go off topic, but is Ben the son of Trudie Benjamin?

No it’s another case she supports

[ISpyWithMyEye]

No it’s another case she supports

Well, I quickly read some of Ben’s appeal hearing, and he’s clearly guilty.

Does Trudie have a habit of trying to get convicted mass murderers freed?

[Nicholas]

Well, I quickly read some of Ben’s appeal hearing, and he’s clearly guilty.

Does Trudie have a habit of trying to get convicted mass murderers freed?

Seems so

(Mr Justice Crane said Geen suffered no mental health problems but had “an abnormal attitude to human life” - Telegraph)

She tweets nonsense

Tru Benjamin Retweeted
Jeremy Bamber
@Bambertweets
It has been suggested #JeremyBamber deliberately removed the phone from the bedroom that his father slept in at #WhiteHouseFarm  so he could not call police when Jeremy allegedly broke into the house to kill the family.
This was a ridiculous suggestion.
https://jeremy-bamber.co.uk/telephones


Tru Benjamin Retweeted
Jeremy Bamber
@Bambertweets
21h
#WhiteHouseFarm
The prosecution would have you believe #JeremyBamber had the power to cause thunderstorms - a theory as unlikely as the one that he'd killed his own family, as this video on the telephones explains.
https://mobile.twitter.com/tru68/with_replies



Anyone know how Bamber’s JR had been paid for?

https://www.qualitysolicitors.com/jordans/news/2019/12/jeremy-bamber-judicial-review-against-the-crown-prosecution-service-statement

[G-Unit]

The difference between you and me, G-Unit, is I'm basing my opinions on the FACTS I’ve read about him, including him being found Guilty on five counts of murder, two failed appeals; one failed appeal at the Human Rights Court; his previous conviction for burglary & theft; him growing and dealing in drugs; his callous behaviour after the deaths; how he sold off valuables which weren’t yet his; how he tried to sell Sheila’s nude photos for £20k to The Sun, not considering the humiliation & betrayal when she’d only been dead over a week — effectively “dancing on her grave” after he’d killed her; killing off June’s dog; partying, holidaying, laughing, gorging on expensive meals, downing Champagne when his family had only been dead just days —  and all those who knew him well and said what a horrible cold calculating character he had.


Your views aren’t based on any of those irrefutable FACTS: your views are based on fairytales, dreams, and lies you want to believe so your bubble of fantasy isn’t burst

I though psychopaths wore a mask hiding their true nature? He wasn't a very good one then if he failed to fool all those who knew him.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I though psychopaths wore a mask hiding their true nature? He wasn't a very good one then if he failed to fool all those who knew him.

There’s no such thing as a good psychopath.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

I though psychopaths wore a mask hiding their true nature? He wasn't a very good one then if he failed to fool all those who knew him.

A “good” psychopath ?!

G-Unit, Jeremy Bamber is a psychopath — he’s just not a particularly bright one.

He can fool the gullible, though....