The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?

[Holly Goodhead]

Holly, I'm not stating it can help, I'm only questioning you about what he saw and heard that night and was recorded.

So again, correct me if I'm wrong, these things did not occur just because a copper stated his own opinion ... With no evidence to prove it, just a view.
In addition, if a cover up had taken place, those two statements recorded by Jeremy would have to be discounted, without question... As it would always remain an alibi with supporting evidence.

What about the dog running around?

The only person who claimed to have seen the movement initially was PC Myall.  He alerted PS Bews and JB who were altogether.  PS Bews tried to eliminate the so-called movement by moving back and forth and was able to.  On this basis it was written off as a trick of the light.  I don't think it was even mentioned at trial.   Why didn't JB mention it to anyone pre and during trial?

Yes Crispy was running around.  When the police firearms unit entered Crispy was placed in a wardrobe to preserve the soc which was a bit daft when you consider how long he had been in there. 

But it does show the police didn't accept what they were told by JB at face value otherwise they would have left Crispy to his own devices and not been concerned with protecting soc.

[Vertigo Swirl]

So Crispy could have disturbed the crime scene before it was photographed?   I just read the bit where Bamber suggested the dog could have pulled the trigger on Sheila too. 

[Myster]

Yes that's fair enough but it's not an alibi as it can't be proved what or who it was. 

The police officers, PS Bews and PC Myall, observed what they thought was movement (PC Myall actually) but when they repositioned themselves they explained it as a trick of the light ie a moon shadow reflecting on the window.  No one will ever know what or who it was.  But one thing is for sure it isn't an alibi and for JB to come out and say otherwise 35 years later just makes him look weak and guilty.  It's the reason Brett Collins has turned on JB.  BC knows JB didn't have an alibi.

More revelations from the Antipodes...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/119648317/so-my-best-friend-turned-out-to-be-a-mass-murderer

[Nicholas]

The only person who claimed to have seen the movement initially was PC Myall.  He alerted PS Bews and JB who were altogether.  PS Bews tried to eliminate the so-called movement by moving back and forth and was able to.  On this basis it was written off as a trick of the light.  I don't think it was even mentioned at trial.   Why didn't JB mention it to anyone pre and during trial?

Yes Crispy was running around.  When the police firearms unit entered Crispy was placed in a wardrobe to preserve the soc which was a bit daft when you consider how long he had been in there. 

But it does show the police didn't accept what they were told by JB at face value otherwise they would have left Crispy to his own devices and not been concerned with protecting soc.

You don’t know what Crispy was doing - you’re speculating

However keeping Crispy alive until 2 days after he murdered could have been part of Bamber’s plan?

What excuse did he give you Aunt Agatha for putting Cripsy down when he did?

This is what the vet stated;

The Vet’s W/S:
Robert McTaggart Hill, w/s, 14 October 1985; vet with Neill & Scott, Maldon.

Jeremy Bamber called him on 8 August and he went to Bourtree:

‘On my arrival Mr Jeremy Bamber told me that he wished me to put down the Shih Tzu dog that had belonged to Mrs Bamber, his mother. He said that the dog was very attached to his mother, and since her death, he thought that the dog should not go to another home. He also said that the dog had turned a bit nasty since the killings at WHF and it was a bit snappy. I also spoke with Mr Jeremy Bamber about finding a new home for another dog from WHF, this was a black Labrador gun dog. He seemed concerned that the dog should be found another home on a farm but if that didn’t work out that dog should also be put down. Through the vet’s practise another home was found for this dog at Corporation Farm at Maldon and we housed the dog on Friday, 9 August 1985… Mr J Bamber brought the dog to the surgery on that afternoon. On the occasions I saw Jeremy Bamber, he seemed upset when I saw him on 8.8.85 but he seemed to be more composed on 9.8.85 when I saw him in Maldon at the surgery. On the latter occasion he explained that he was on tranquillisers. I knew nothing of Jeremy Bamber or his family prior to 8.8.85.’

Keeping Crispy alive inside the house could enable him to attempt to confuse/trick the police outside about hearing noises inside etc..

[ISpyWithMyEye]

So psychopaths are good at hiding their true nature, but Jeremy Bamber wasn't?

One of the main traits of the psychopathic brain type is manipulation; they are much better at it than the general population.
https://www.quora.com/Why-do-psychopaths-think-theyre-successfully-fooling-people-in-their-minds

G-Unit, you’re searching sites such as Quora to try and help you argue your point, but Quora is simply a message board that anyone at all can post on, so you could be reading a load of rubbish.

GENERALLY, psychopaths are manipulative, and Bamber is — just look at how many people he’s bamboozled — most of whom eventually see through him. But if you wanted to put his manipulation skills on a scale, along with his IQ, considering he’s a psychopath who are usually clever, cunning and bright, Jeremy would be right at the bottom of that scale.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

If it was SC at the window and she shot herself shortly afterwards then I doubt any noticeable difference in decomposition would be noticeable over such s short time period.  But the point is to come out after 35 years and claim to have an alibi just makes you look weak and guilty.  He surely must discuss these things with those around him and its a pity they don't talk him out of it.

No-one saw Sheila at the window, though — and no-one heard a gunshot, which they wold have done.

Hadd Sheila gone berserk, as Jeremy falsely claimed, Sheila would have probably shot herself for them all to see. Why would she care if she’d gone crazy?

But the REAL TRUTH is, there was no-one at the window.

The police said it was a trick of the light, and they even “made” the same shadowy illusion by tilting their heads as they looked at he window afterwards.

This nonsense has been repeated continuously for 30 years now! The police have STATED that they saw NO person at the window. Why keep repeating the same thing, again and again and again, when everyone knows Sheila was already dead?

 

[G-Unit]

G-Unit, you’re searching sites such as Quora to try and help you argue your point, but Quora is simply a message board that anyone at all can post on, so you could be reading a load of rubbish.

GENERALLY, psychopaths are manipulative, and Bamber is — just look at how many people he’s bamboozled — most of whom eventually see through him. But if you wanted to put his manipulation skills on a scale, along with his IQ, considering he’s a psychopath who are usually clever, cunning and bright, Jeremy would be right at the bottom of that scale.

So you're saying he isn't a typical psychopath. How do you know he is one then?

[Vertigo Swirl]

So you're saying he isn't a typical psychopath. How do you know he is one then?

According to the psychiatrist used by Jeremy’s own defence team the man is a psychopath.  Is that not enough for you?

[Aunt Agatha]

No-one saw Sheila at the window, though — and no-one heard a gunshot, which they wold have done.

Hadd Sheila gone berserk, as Jeremy falsely claimed, Sheila would have probably shot herself for them all to see. Why would she care if she’d gone crazy?

But the REAL TRUTH is, there was no-one at the window.

The police said it was a trick of the light, and they even “made” the same shadowy illusion by tilting their heads as they looked at he window afterwards.

This nonsense has been repeated continuously for 30 years now! The police have STATED that they saw NO person at the window. Why keep repeating the same thing, again and again and again, when everyone knows Sheila was already dead?

 

I genuinely beg to differ!

If there was a cover up, which I believe, emphatically, these are concerns that the police would address.

It's all heresay. There is no evidence whatsoever and therefore is 'not beyond reasonable doubt!'

[APRIL]

So you're saying he isn't a typical psychopath. How do you know he is one then?

Lack of empathy for starters.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

SL also muddies the water enormously in his book by going along with the defence strategy at trial which was to suggest SC used the silencer to murder the her parents and children and then returned it to the gun cupboard before shooting herself.  This scenario is based on the blood flake supposedly found inside the silencer originating from an intimate mix of June and NB's blood which is so far fetched its the stuff of lala land.

I belive JB has a poor understanding of his case because he's innocent and probably didn't take it seriously pre trial naively believing he would be found not guilty because he didn't commit what he was found guilty of.  Post trial he lacks the resources to manage his case properly eg no access to forensic textbooks, electronic data management systems and the Internet.  Psychologically its inevitable his long incarceration and fighting a 35 year battle he still hasn't won will have taken an enormous toll. He's also had all manner of people dipping in and out of his case including  cranks and bogus lawyers.

Oh please, Holly...

You cannot be serious?!


It wasn’t SL who, as you say, SUGGESTED the silencer was used — that was established in the trial!  SL HAD to put that in his book, because it was true.

You then go on to say “the blood flake was SUPPOSEDLY found...”...Holly, the blood flake WAS found in the silencer. The police know that. The court knows that. And YOU know that! EVERYONE knows that — including the forensic scientists who examined it!  You just don’t want to ADMIT it, because tests PROVED it was Sheila’s blood. And you know full well she couldn’t have put the silencer in the cupboard after SUPPOSEDLY shooting herself once.

My God! You go on, and on, and on...saying the same, tired old things ....why are you doing it? It’s been PROVEN that Jeremy Bamber is guilty, and there’s not one tiny thing in 35 years that’s ever SUGGESTED he may not have murdered them. Hw long do you NEED to accept his guilt?

And as for saying he has a poor understanding of the case, that’s hilarious! He plotted and planned those murders, even down to the fake phone call. When the police interviewed him under caution he was arrogant, grandiose, combative, and lied repeatedly? You’re trying to create a picture that he’s either simple, or so, so sweet, nice, angelic...he can’t understand any of the legal process. Yet he’s SUPPOSEDLY trawled through 4Million documents with a fine tooth comb, made numerous appeals, leave for appeals, recruited a team of people who he’s bamboozled, used, treated like dirt, dropped when he’s lost interest in them, and has been doing everything he can to twist, lie, exaggerate, distort the most ludicrous of tiny details in an attempt to worm his way out of prison, despite KNOWING he’s a cold-blooded murderer.

You need to take a step back...this isn’t healthy.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I’m simply aghast that the first thing Bamber did after being released from police questioning is go on holiday to the south of France without apparently a care in the world, knowing that he was chief suspect in his own family’s murders.  How could anyone contemplate such a thing if one was innocent?  One would surely be sick with stress and worry at the thought that the police were trying to frame you for murders you didn’t commit?

[APRIL]

I’m simply aghast that the first thing Bamber did after being released from police questioning is go on holiday to the south of France without apparently a care in the world, knowing that he was chief suspect in his own family’s murders.  How could anyone contemplate such a thing if one was innocent?  One would surely be sick with stress and worry at the thought that the police were trying to frame you for murders you didn’t commit?

Not if one is a psychopath.

[Myster]

The police smelled a rat, so he took the opportunity to have one last fling before he was caught in their trap.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Not if one is a psychopath.

My thoughts exactly. nThe more I discover about him the more utterly convinced I am of his guilt and the more I struggle to understand how anyone could believe otherwise.