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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #945 on: April 20, 2020, 11:44:00 AM »

In fairness, the truth is he had a few close friends in prison.  He was not disliked as much as you state, in fact, when friends of his were on visits I'd be introduced to them and their visitors. 
Jeremy had a close knit around him and many believed
he was innocent.  He has also lost some good friends in there during his imprisonment and there is definitely a side to Jeremy you have not seen.

We have

You haven’t
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Offline The General

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #946 on: April 20, 2020, 11:45:38 AM »
What were his ‘friends’ convicted of ? Were they serial killers, rapists, murderers or terrorists ?
Well they're not going to be in for pinching strawberries or throwing stones at swans.
What's your point?
Subject Matter Expert - Hobos.

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #947 on: April 20, 2020, 12:00:47 PM »

In fairness, the truth is he had a few close friends in prison.  He was not disliked as much as you state, in fact, when friends of his were on visits I'd be introduced to them and their visitors. 
Jeremy had a close knit around him and many believed
he was innocent.  He has also lost some good friends in there during his imprisonment and there is definitely a side to Jeremy you have not seen.


I heard that when prisoners have visitors they’re watched by guards and have to remain seated (they’re not even allowed to go to the loo) and they and their visitors aren’t allowed to mix/speak with fellow inmates. You make it sound like it was an informal social gathering of friends...
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #948 on: April 20, 2020, 12:06:27 PM »
Well they're not going to be in for pinching strawberries or throwing stones at swans.
What's your point?

Who did Bamber introduce Aunt Agatha to, Robert Maudsley?

Robert Maudsley, known as ‘Hannibal the Cannibal’ or the ‘Brain Eater’ https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1234599/white-house-farm-murders-jeremy-bamber-prison-itv-drama-true-crime-spt

What prison did she visit him in?

Was Bamber ‘friendly’ with David Harker, Ian Huntley, Sidney Cooke?

Harker killed and dismembered mother-of-four Julie Paterson, and admitted eating parts of her flesh with pasta. In 1999 he was sentenced to a minimum of 14 years in prison after admitting manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility. Alan Taylor, the partner of Harker’s victim later committed murder saying he wanted to be jailed at Wakefield so he could attack Harker.

Nicknamed Hissing Sid, Cooke is a notorious paedophile who is serving two life sentences for a campaign of sexual abuse against two young boys. He’d previously been jailed for the manslaughter of 14-year-old Jason Swift. It’s been reported that in Wakefield prison he’s befriended a fellow inmate known as Britain’s Joseph Fritzl.

https://www.lifedeathprizes.com/real-life-crime/monster-mansion-hm-prison-wakefield-uks-notorious-jail-64494

« Last Edit: April 20, 2020, 12:17:42 PM by Nicholas »
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #949 on: April 20, 2020, 12:08:55 PM »


I genuinely beg to differ!

If there was a cover up, which I believe, emphatically, these are concerns that the police would address.

It's all heresay. There is no evidence whatsoever and therefore is 'not beyond reasonable doubt!'


Why would the police do a cover up?

If any of the officers saw a person at the window why would they deny it? What would be the point? They weren’t at that stage disbelieving Jeremy.

They established it was just shadows caused by a trick of the light, and never even said they saw a FIGURE; they thought they saw “movement” which turned out to be reflection from the moon shining through the windows and tress which altered depending on how they tilted their heads when they looked up.

I’m not commenting on this point anymore, as it’s been established what it was, and it’s becoming tedious...
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #950 on: April 20, 2020, 12:20:11 PM »

In fairness, the truth is he had a few close friends in prison.  He was not disliked as much as you state, in fact, when friends of his were on visits I'd be introduced to them and their visitors. 
Jeremy had a close knit around him and many believed
he was innocent.  He has also lost some good friends in there during his imprisonment and there is definitely a side to Jeremy you have not seen.

Why do you refer to them as friends Aunt Agatha ?

What did you know about these friends of Bamber’s?

Who were they, what were they in prison for?

What friends has he lost? And do you mean they died?

Who were/are they?
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #951 on: April 20, 2020, 12:30:06 PM »
The reality of the truth Aunt Agatha is you’re still wearing those rose tinted glasses

The reality is you don’t know these ‘friends’ anymore than you think you know me or anyone else on this forum
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #952 on: April 20, 2020, 12:49:11 PM »
Help, harm or hindrance or something else?

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Johncrilly
@Johncrill1
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I'm undecided so would simply ask for all evidence on the table.
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 Priti Patel MP, Home Secretary: Essex police, release ALL withheld documents to Jeremy Bamber’s legal defence team with immediate effect... - Sign the Petition! http://chng.it/Wnn4ZXYc via
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London Bridge attack: Reformed prisoner who fought knifeman 'prepared to die
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50744983

Johncrilly
@Johncrill1
Sad to say, I had the ccrc look at my case with negative results. Only to go on and eventually have my murder conviction quashed by appeal court!?? Just saying!??

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Erica Geen
@GeenErica
Today is a day I dread every year the anniversary of our sons wrongful conviction now into his 15th year. This is how I will remember Ben today fun loving son before all our lives as a family were ripped apart. #MiscarriageOfJustice


Johncrilly
@Johncrill1
Met Jeremy myself as just another prisoner in denial and pleading my innocence too. Here's hoping you get the chance like me to PROVE your innocence. @righttoafairtrial 
@theruleoflaw
???
https://mobile.twitter.com/Johncrill1
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #953 on: April 20, 2020, 01:29:02 PM »

I heard that when prisoners have visitors they’re watched by guards and have to remain seated (they’re not even allowed to go to the loo) and they and their visitors aren’t allowed to mix/speak with fellow inmates. You make it sound like it was an informal social gathering of friends...

Given the fact she won’t say who these ‘friends’ were/are we can only assume she’s minimising her prison visits with Bamber, and other Cat A prisoners, and referring to them like they are just everyday normal social gatherings in order to justify in her mind these visits were normal; they are anything but ‘normal’
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #954 on: April 20, 2020, 01:43:32 PM »
Help, harm or hindrance or something else?

Jan Cunliffe @JENGbAHeart exclamation Retweeted
Johncrilly
@Johncrill1
Apr 16
I'm undecided so would simply ask for all evidence on the table.
@justice
 Priti Patel MP, Home Secretary: Essex police, release ALL withheld documents to Jeremy Bamber’s legal defence team with immediate effect... - Sign the Petition! http://chng.it/Wnn4ZXYc via
@UKChange


London Bridge attack: Reformed prisoner who fought knifeman 'prepared to die
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50744983

Johncrilly
@Johncrill1
Sad to say, I had the ccrc look at my case with negative results. Only to go on and eventually have my murder conviction quashed by appeal court!?? Just saying!??

Johncrilly Retweeted
Erica Geen
@GeenErica
Today is a day I dread every year the anniversary of our sons wrongful conviction now into his 15th year. This is how I will remember Ben today fun loving son before all our lives as a family were ripped apart. #MiscarriageOfJustice


Johncrilly
@Johncrill1
Met Jeremy myself as just another prisoner in denial and pleading my innocence too. Here's hoping you get the chance like me to PROVE your innocence. @righttoafairtrial 
@theruleoflaw
???
https://mobile.twitter.com/Johncrill1

Did anyone see John Crilly on TV alongside Janet Cunliffe when she was referred to as his ‘case worker’ ?

Gloria Morrison set up a fundraiser here https://www.gofundme.com/f/JChrilly called ‘A True Hero supported by @JENGbA’

Mick Geen donated £10
JC is a true hero and a shining example to us all

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=458.msg498505#msg498505

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=89.msg575541#msg575541

Dr Andrew Green
We have asked Gloria and Janet to change the date of their meetings so that INNOCENT members can attend meetings of both organisations if they wish, and do not feel forced into choosing one organisation over another. But they have flatly refused to change their meetings to different dates.
We have been saddened by the discovery that this is a deliberately hostile act. We would like to ignore this childish behaviour and we hope that all INNOCENT members will do so.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=458.msg11027#msg11027

I have emails from Andrew Green somewhere

28th Septempber 2010
"I hope you appreciate that Michael Naughton from the Bristol Innocence Project will be speaking at the meeting, and that it is an open, public meeting, with a large number of people present. Details available at http://www.unitedagainstinjustice.org.uk/MOJ%2010%20day/2010flyer.html
I don't want to take sides in any dispute that doesn't concern me directly, but you do seem to have alienated a lot of people who would otherwise be willing to give support to Simon, simply because they want to see an innocent person exonerated. I don't want trouble at our meeting any more than you do, so we'll do all we can to avoid it.
Andrew
INNOCENT
challenging miscarriages of justice since 1993
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #955 on: April 20, 2020, 01:58:40 PM »
Did anyone see John Crilly on TV alongside Janet Cunliffe when she was referred to as his ‘case worker’ ?

https://www.itv.com/goodmorningbritain/news/london-bridge-hero-haunted-by-terror-attack
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #956 on: April 20, 2020, 02:21:24 PM »
The only person who claimed to have seen the movement initially was PC Myall.  He alerted PS Bews and JB who were altogether.  PS Bews tried to eliminate the so-called movement by moving back and forth and was able to.  On this basis it was written off as a trick of the light.  I don't think it was even mentioned at trial.   Why didn't JB mention it to anyone pre and during trial?

Yes Crispy was running around.  When the police firearms unit entered Crispy was placed in a wardrobe to preserve the soc which was a bit daft when you consider how long he had been in there. 

But it does show the police didn't accept what they were told by JB at face value otherwise they would have left Crispy to his own devices and not been concerned with protecting soc.

Are you by any chance feeding into Aunt Agatha’s ‘idealisations’ behind the scenes Holly ?

and do you remember stating this?

I know I would feel devastated if proved wrong re JB or he admitted to being responsible.”


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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #957 on: April 20, 2020, 02:30:03 PM »
Johncrilly
@Johncrill1
Sad to say, I had the ccrc look at my case with negative results. Only to go on and eventually have my murder conviction quashed by appeal court!?? Just saying!??

Jan Cunliffe @JENGbAHeart exclamation
@Jliffe
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@Johncrill1
Exactly and I wonder how many more have and will continue to be failed by this miserable excuse of a justice system. Let’s remember a miscarriage is an accident but an abortion is done intentionally. These are ABORTIONS of justice and that’s what we need to start calling them


 *&^^&

John Crilly -'I had a bad life, I've changed': https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/how-london-bridge-killer-freed-17373720

John Crilly: ‘I’m out – but everyone else is still suffering’
Excerpt:
“John Crilly was sentenced to life for the murder of a pensioner and robbery with a minimum term of 19 years; last week he pleaded guilty to manslaughter. He has already served 13 years and so was released from prison.

How does it feel to be the first post-Jogee appeal?  ‘Of all the cases I have known and heard about, I felt that I wasn’t the worthy one,’ he tells me. Crilly, who is close to completing a law degree, has written about the unfairness of the common law doctrine of joint enterprise and supports JENGbA in their campaign. ‘There are a lot of people more innocent than me who should be getting out as well. It is bitter sweet.’

Crilly, a heroin addict with a long history of previous convictions prior to being sent down for murder, compares his present state of mind to ‘survivor’s guilt’. ‘I’m out but everyone is still suffering. It’s just horrendous. As far as I am concerned the issue has always bigger than me. It’s about the principles.’
https://www.thejusticegap.com/john-crilly-im-out-but-everyone-else-is-still-suffering/

Mr Maduemezia's family said in a statement to the BBC:
“This incident had a devastating effect on the family who took a number of years to come to terms with their father's death.
You can then imagine their anger and disappointment when they were informed by the police that Mr Crilly had launched a second appeal against his conviction (his first in 2007 failed). His appeal was granted at the High Court.
"It was sickening to hear that he was walking away without completing his sentence for his part in the murder of our father.
"These High Court rulings which lean too favourably towards the offenders and virtually casting aside the opinions, consideration and feelings of victims and their families, help to corrode and undermine public confidence in the justice system.
"We are led to understand that Crilly has turned his life around whilst in prison and has even acquired a law degree. At least he is alive. We wish him well but also wish that our father were alive and free to live his life.
"Despite these disappointments, the family has decided to move on. We are thankful to be public and fully appreciate their support throughout this ordeal."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43840635

Mr Justice William Davis said:
“What you did was very serious. You went into the home of what turned out to be a 71-year-old man.
“Having got in there and discovered he was there, you didn’t retreat.
“You and your fellow offender set about ransacking the house and when he was the subject of violence by Flynn, you nonetheless continued with your enterprise.”
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/robber-who-away-mobile-phone-14538267
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #958 on: April 20, 2020, 03:18:53 PM »
Johncrilly
@Johncrill1
Met Jeremy myself as just another prisoner in denial and pleading my innocence too. Here's hoping you get the chance like me to PROVE your innocence. @righttoafairtrial 
@theruleoflaw
???

https://mobile.twitter.com/Johncrill1

Johncrilly
@Johncrill1
So, I'm intrigued to know if people now have understanding that a prisoners incarceration is not diluted by television or XBOX. NOTHING! Detracts from no family contact or touch. Does it? They do suffer, especially if innocent.
@JENGBA @Jliffe


Is John Crilly suggesting he and Bamber are innocent?

He sounds like another Kevin Craigie
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #959 on: April 20, 2020, 08:15:48 PM »
Are you by any chance feeding into Aunt Agathas ‘idealisations’ behind the scenes Holly ?

and do you remember stating this?

I know I would feel devastated if proved wrong re JB or he admitted to being responsible.”


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Wow, to say you’d feel DEVASTATED if Jeremy admitted he was responsible sounds like you’re emotionally involved , Holly!

It also sounds like you’ve got “other” reasons to be defending him for so many years. I don’t know how often you’ve visited him — which are brief one-hour visits under scrutiny from guards, so hardly normal — but even if he writes to you daily; calls you on the phone; you don’t TRULY know him. So if he did eventually admit to the murders he’s been found guilty of, why would you feel devastated when he’s just a contact of yours?

Quickly going on to this you wrote:


“But it does show the police didn't accept what they were told by JB at face value otherwise they would have left Crispy to his own devices and not been concerned with protecting soc.”


When the police raided WHF they didn’t know what to expect. When they found Crispy cowering under the bed, their immediate action was to contain him for obvious reasons. Do you seriously think they’d not have regardless of what they thought of JB? It’s STANDARD procedure, and he’d have been the last thing on the police officers minds when they kept Crispy out the way of dead bodies!

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