The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?

[Nicholas]

You can see why the defence didn't call these women as witnesses - Arlidge would have had a field day in cross exam, exposing more of Bambers dishonest nature and habit of treating people like objects, discarding them when they are no longer useful.

“She even dressed in small lacy tops and briefs to please him before they made love”

Anji claimed to be ”an old friend of Bamber’s though not an old lover”

When and where did they meet and how does her sister Virginia come into the equation ?

Am still not convinced it was Virginia who phoned Bamber at SC flat

[Nicholas]

Who was the ‘close friend’ that claimed to the Suns Kieron Saunders, the day after the Murders (8th Aug 1985), SC ’had been taking methadone, a heroin substitute’?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7143593/jeremy-bamber/

Bamber !?!

 

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Can you provide evidence of what you are saying? You have no idea of the men and women who are friendly with Jeremy for various reasons. It is wrong of you to make assumptions and post as fact. One female who is extremely close to Jeremy is the film maker Emilia di Girolamo. She visits him regularly. She is neither old, frumpy or lacking a man in her life and is an intelligent professional lady. There are many others like her and also intelligent men who are his friends. None of us know for sure if Jeremy is a murderer because we weren’t there on the night. Only Jeremy knows the truth. I wonder whether the extreme hatred you spout out is because you have something lacking in YOUR life!  The truth will come out eventually when all undisclosed documents are released.

Daisy,

I have seen many of Jeremy’s supporters on Twitter; not just the rubbish they spout and how unintelligent they come across, but also their pictures —  and videos too. And yes, they are as I described.

You, Daisy, you’re in your 70s, and yet Jeremy abused you to your FACE and spat “I never liked you anyway!”  And here you are sticking up for him! He abused you when you refused to take a loan out for him, and I actually felt sorry for you..but now you’ve “turned” I can only think you’re not in your right mind.

I don’t believe for a moment that Jeremy has normal friends; influential friends; respectable friends. He lies to everyone, and makes up fairy stories to try and impress. He’s bamboozled you, despite having abused you...so what’s YOUR problem?

It’s laughable for you to say nine of us know if he’s a murderer: Daisy, dear, he was found GUILTY of mass murder 35 years ago. Does that not register with you? All, and I mean ALL his supporters (you included) harp on about these mysterious “undisclosed documents”, and the reason for that is none of has ONE shred of evidence to even suggest he couldn’t have murdered his family. So you’ve created a fairytale that doesn’t exist. A giant figment of all your imaginations, started by him. If there were “undisclosed documents” Jeremy Bamber wouldn’t even KNOW about them. He’s made this up as a last resort. He knows the police can’t produce any, because they don’t exist. And you gullible lot BELIEVE his BS.

Tell me, WHAT actually could these documents show? Because everyone knows what happened that night; everyone knows the police went to WHF. Over 50 police officers witnessed events, so what do you suppose they’re all hiding?😳

You’re correct about one thing, though: Jeremy Bamber does indeed know what happened in the early hours when he murdered them all and fired bullets into those two little boys faces and heads.  He just won’t admit it, that’s all.

Too right he’s hated, not just by me, but everyone who knows what he did. The inmates hate him too; that’s why he was attacked. For you to suggest I have something lacking because I find a mass murderer evil, vile and sickening shows how warped you must be. I certainly am not lacking, on any level, quite the opposite in fact — but if I was lacking in any way I wouldn’t dedicate my time to a twisted psychopath who’s killed five members of his family and will spend the rest of his days locked in a jail — I’d improve my life and mix with normal people, not jailbirds who wanted to use me and try and grab money off me.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

You said Mark Cropper ‘did a disappearing act’ ?

Did Sarah Hanover disappear with him?

Isn’t it strange how Jem’s campaign team has such a fast turnover...

Proof that even the deluded can come to their senses😌

[ISpyWithMyEye]

It's always a source of puzzlement when you perceive someone is obviously deluded and hold bizarre opinions, grasping the totally wrong end of the stick.

Oh, the irony...and you’re too daft to even see it 

Apologies if I hit a nerve, General...I hope you’re feeling better

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Found this

Monday, 24 January 2011
"I am proud that all of us work collectively and with unity in one direction"
"It is not easy working and campaigning for someone for almost 26 long years and I wanted to say a very special thank you to those people who have made a huge effort and a very big difference to me over the years these include: Scott Lomax, Mike Teskowski and Tracy Brazier, and in more recent years Tracy Williams, Mark Cropper, Sarah Hanover and other campaigners both old and new who wish to remain nameless but have done so much for me.

I am also aware that it is a heavy burden of responsibility for anyone to carry over a long period and there are a large number of paper documents dispersed across many different counties. This brought the need for an electronic document management system which is primarily for use by my lawyers. The Mark and Sarah are the administrators of this document share have kindly offered their services free of charge to implement a system which would cost thousands and it has been done in a relatively short space of time. They do not carry out research in a way that other campaigners do and their role is purely administrative.

I also wanted Mark & Sarah to web publish the latest evidence presented from my CCRC application on the internet in a user friendly format. They have to work within the restrictions and confines of the law as do my legal team, they cannot link to other web sites which do not meet legal obligations.

My apologies if anyone has been confused by disclaimers recently made on this or any other site which was an oversight on my part and not anyone else. Mark and Sarah strictly adhered to my requests at all times. They do not make decisions on my behalf but are merely the facilitators of the administrative actions I would carry out myself had I not been imprisoned.

Thank you to all of you for your concerns and kindness in recent days and I am proud that all of us work collectively and with unity in one direction - towards my freedom and good news on 31st January."
Posted by Jeremy Bamber at Monday, January 24, 2011
https://jeremybamber.blogspot.com/2011/01/i-am-proud-that-all-of-us-work_2026.html

He omitted something there:

“Had I not been imprisoned”

He forgot to add “Had I not been imprisoned for shooting dead my mother, father, sister and two six-year-old nephews”

Tut-tut.

Still not meticulous I see.


Meanwhile, nine years later...

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Hi Caroline  my post was a response to Ispy who said that all women who support Jeremy are desperate sad individuals. I was just demonstrating that this isn’t true. By the way Ispy obviously includes you as one of those people. How does that make you feel as you used to support Jeremy? I am still waiting for evidence to back up those sweeping statements. If we don’t stop wild assumptions being presented as facts then we lose track of the actual facts.

Excuse me???!!!!!

What the hell are you talking about?!!!

I have NEVER been a supporter of that evil murderer!!!

You must be ill if you think that!

How dare you suggest such a thing!


I’m inclined to reveal who I am, and you’d be shocked, I can tell you.

I’m the polar opposite of that sick twisted bunch of matronly dears, and I’m no pushover, either!

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Well, I don't share Spy's view on that - which I am sure you realise. I have been called desperate and sad as someone who now thinks he's guilty so you can't win. I've never been call sad or desparate by anyone who actually knows me - bloody minded maybe but never sad or desparate  - Anyway, hope you're keeping well 

Caroline, I’ve never called you sad or desperate, and you know that.

But don’t tell me you don’t think the majority of his few supporters are just that, because I’ve seen them, read whatever written, seen their videos...and they all come across as desperate, lacking, gullible, unintelligent, deluded and unattractive. That may sound harsh but it’s a fact.

It isn’t just me who can see that, either....look at how The Sun ridicules them.

Look at how they were annihilated on Twitter before scurrying off and hiding...they're an embarrassment. And let’s face it, what sort of woman would be drawn to a mass murderer who’s serving Life in prison? They hardly have normal expectations for the future...

[ISpyWithMyEye]

And the Home Secretary would have access to ALL of Bamber’s reports - including the ones he doesn’t want his campaigners & supporters to see

Well, it would be interesting to see what he’s hiding, eh?

If they’re glowing reports he’d be showing them everywhere wouldn’t he?

Perhaps his team can encourage him to publish them

It will help his case, surely?😌

[ISpyWithMyEye]

The following was ‘Originally published in the Guardian on 29 October 1986’

“Jeremy Bamber, the farmer's son who boasted that he could commit the perfect crime, was gaoled for 25 years yesterday after he was found guilty of murdering five members of his family.

Bamber, aged 25, shot and killed his adoptive parents, Neville and June Bamber, both aged 61, his sister, Sheila Caffell, aged 27, and her six-year-old twin boys, Daniel and Nicholas, at their farmhouse in Tolleshunt D'Arcy, Essex, in August last year in the hope of becoming the sole beneficiary of the family's £436,000 estate.

Bamber staged the massacre in such a way as to raise suspicions that his 27-year-old mentally ill sister had carried out the killings and then turned the gun on herself.

However, after considering the evidence for 9 ½ hours, the jury of seven men and five women at Chelmsford crown court brought in 10-2 majority verdicts against him yesterday on all five counts of murder.

Bamber, who had denied the charges and who had remained impassive throughout the 18-day trial.

Sentencing him, Mr Justice Drake told Bamber that his conduct in planning and carrying out the killing of five members of his family was "evil almost beyond belief".

"It shows that you, young man though you are, have a warped, callous and evil mind concealed behind an outwardly presentable, civilised manner."

The judge said that Bamber's action in killing his mother, father and sister had been dreadful enough. But he went on: "You fired shot after shot into them and also into the two little boys aged six who you murdered in cold blood while they were asleep in their beds.

"I believe that you did so partly out of greed because, although you were a well-off young man for your age, you were impatient for more money.

"You wanted to be master of your own life and to enjoy an inheritance much of which would have come to you anyway in the fullness of time."

In recommending that Bamber serve a minimum of 25 years in prison, Mr Justice Drake said he had to consider when it would be safe to release into society a person who had planned and killed five members of his family.

The police initially believed that Sheila Caffell had indeed carried out the killings and then committed suicide. Before carrying out the murders, Bamber told his girlfriend, Julie Mugford, that he had devised "the perfect murder" in which his sister would be the scapegoat.

A month after the killings, Miss Mugford went to the police and told them that Bamber had confessed to her he was responsible.
https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2010/oct/29/archive-essex-family-murders-trial-1986

Bump

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Aunt Agatha why didn’t Bamber ever tell Brett Collins what he’s told you and others?



”But Brett today demolishes the idea that Bamber can prove he has an alibi which means he could not have been responsible for the massacre.

He insisted:

“He didn’t ever bring up someone being inside or being seen at the window when the police were there with him to me. It’s just bulls**t.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jeremy-bambers-best-pal-believed-21459285

Bumping this up

Sorry, I missed all these posts over the weekend, and some are too good not to bring up, Nicholas

I’ve also replied to Daisy, who I was kind to when I saw her first post where she said how vile JB had been to her, and now I’ve seen she’s accused ME of once being a supporter of his!! Jesus, I’d rather be riddled with Covid-19 than be anywhere NEAR that repugnant pulsating lump of moving evil.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

He didn't bring it up in any of his witness statements either, nor did he mention it when he was arrested - "You can't be serious, all three of us saw someone moving in the house, that's why we ran away"

He only mentioned it at the trial when he became desperate. It was either Rivlin or Lawson that suggested the phrase "a trick of the light" to PC Bews in cross exam. JB is still furious about it.

The CT and supporters still claim that they all saw "a figure" but all PC Myall saw was possible "movement" out the corner of his eye which they quickly dismissed.

The question I really want answering is this; Do the CT really believe the guff they post or are they deliberately committing innocence fraud?

Excellent point, CS.


Yes, WHY didn’t JB say to the police “What are you talking about?! We all saw Sheila walking inside!”

The reason he didn’t was that the officers who were there that night were LOOKING for movement, and in the moonlight, with a breeze blowing trees etc, shadows come and go, so when a shadow DID blow by they got jumpy, but just as quickly dismissed it as a trick of the light.

In fact, it was Jeremy himself who first started that trick. When the police were speaking to him with their backs to the the house, he said “Quick! I can see a movement!” He deliberately did that to make their imaginations race...its an old trick.

We all know Sheila was already dead at that time, as of course Jeremy did too.

Had he not known, his natural immediate reaction would have been to shout out “Sheila! What’s wrong!! What’s happening?!”

Why did he not ONCE call out to her? Try to appeal to her? Try to calm her down like he claimed Nevill wanted?

The most natural thing in the world if you’re in fear for your family’s safety is to try to calm them down; speak to them; try to diffuse the situation...

If someone is threatening to jump off a building you don’t have police and family members just staring up at them. In fact, the police bring in a close family member to try to talk them down. So why didn’t Jeremy try to appeal to Sheila?

It’s so obvious why....he knew she was dead, and the police didn’t ask him to talk to her because they never saw her moving about inside.

Sorry I’ve hijacked your post, CS...but in answer your question about his CT, I think some are just desperate deluded women, some are ex-cons who think they might get bunged some cash, and some are creaming off the cash he cons out of fools. They’re all a bunch of lowlifes in different forms. s..m attracts s..m.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

What's your definition of 'supporter'?

I believe JB to be at the very least a MoJ and in all probability innocent but to start beating the drum about the so-called 'trick of the light' as an alibi some 34 years later doesn't help his case at all.  Hence he was called out on it by BC.

If PS Bews, PC Myall or JB thought the 'trick of the light' was someone moving around inside then how come this isn't mentioned in their wit stats?  None of the officers who arrived later mention it either.

What are you on about?

The police dismissed it as a trick of the light in 1985!

It’s in their reports...read them.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

It seems to me the CT are controlling personalities and can't bear the idea of sharing the glory when this MOJ is finally overturned.

I don't mind admitting that you Holly are the most intelligent JB supporter I have come across and I respect your deep understanding and research of the case, but I have to say, there isn't a lot of competition for you!

JB should have begged you to lead the team rather than let them become the laughing stock they really are.

I agree with most of your posts, CS, but with respect you are very new here and haven’t had time to read much of Holly’s arguments.

I too first thought she was fairly intelligent, but then I quickly realised she knows far less than she pretends; she copies much of what she writes; she isn’t as knowledgeable as she likes to pretend; she exaggerates, gets things wrong, deliberately tries to confuse; and when she’s stumped for an answer to an awkward question she hides...sorry, but those aren’t the actions of someone who’s intelligent and quick off the mark. I’ve seen her arguments torn to shreds by truly intelligent, learned members...and she slinks away quietly, stumped for words.

She’s obsessed with JB, and since I caught her out replying under the username, General, which she blatantly denied doing despite it obviously being written by her, I simply don’t believe half of what she says.

[ISpyWithMyEye]

Thank you. 

Yes if I was part of the CT I would want everything done very differently.  I immediately came to loggerheads with a senior member over the graveside reading and decided I could not and would not become part of it.

But Holly, you said you haven’t heard from JB for two years

That disgraceful reading by Trudie Benjamin at the graveside of the Bambers’ was done recently: so how could that have made you have decide not to become part of the CT when you’ve had zero contact with Jeremy Bamber for over TWO years?

That doesn’t add up, does it?