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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1155 on: April 27, 2020, 05:01:48 AM »
No idea but if his you would hope they would talk him out of it.

But Holly, you said further up:



“Yes if I was part of the CT I would want everything done very differently.  I immediately came to loggerheads with a senior member over the graveside reading and decided I could not and would not become part of it.”


So which of those quotes are the truth?


If you immediately came to loggerheads with a senior member over the graveside reading, surely they’d have discussed with you whether it was his idea or theirs...you’d have known whose idea it was, Holly.
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1156 on: April 27, 2020, 05:06:08 AM »
It seems to me the CT are controlling personalities and can't bear the idea of sharing the glory when this MOJ is finally overturned.

I don't mind admitting that you Holly are the most intelligent JB supporter I have come across and I respect your deep understanding and research of the case, but I have to say, there isn't a lot of competition for you!

JB should have begged you to lead the team rather than let them become the laughing stock they really are.

CS,

I think you meant to write “IFthis MOJ is overturned “

Not “WHEN”

You’re sounding like you think it will be...I can assure you it won’t ever be overturned.
« Last Edit: April 27, 2020, 03:09:44 PM by Ispywithmybigeye »
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1157 on: April 27, 2020, 05:18:33 AM »
Indeed, what I meant regarding the CT need for control was really a transparent need to be JBs favourite which would give them motive to oust any competition for that position.


Hahaha!

And I get jumped on for calling this sad bunch desperate! &%54%

Blow me, vying to be the favourite of a club devoted to a 60-year-old psychopathic mass murderer...bet they don’t put that on their CV🤣



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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1158 on: April 27, 2020, 05:37:00 AM »
I have the same opinion of the Bamberettes as you call them although I refer to them more unkindly as mind controlled cult members, but it's important to delineate the CT from those that mindlessly repeat their nonsense.

The CT itself is something of an enigma, are they serious in their beliefs or do they deliberately spread long debunked misinformation because they know it will attract unquestioning new recruits?

Can you imagine them working for years, baking cakes and spouting lies about CAL and then allowing someone intelligent such as Holly to come along and crack the case? ( assuming the case can be cracked )



Holly’s been trying to crack it since 2014 (maybe longer) and still hasn’t even made a dent...


But there’s no dent to make as he’s guilty as sin. His psychiatrist said that when he was on remand and diagnosed him as a psychopath
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1159 on: April 27, 2020, 05:50:51 AM »
Sister rivalry?   Charles Marsden in his w/s said Jeremy mentioned that Virginia was going to move into Sheila's old flat with him and that, supposedly, was the subject of her phone call which inflamed Julie.


The whole lot of them sound like a disgusting bunch of vultures


Poor Sheila dead in the ground, and the two sisters — one wanting to move in on her flat — and the other one, thinking she’s got a catch now he’s come into money

Wonder what happened to those two?

I saw one photo of Angie walking along and she looked hard as nails...

How old would they be now? Pushing 60 or even 70....I think they were a good few years older than him.

Strange how he fancied slightly older women....

And young men too...
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1160 on: April 27, 2020, 06:01:52 AM »
How much do you think the SB is worth now?

Yes have seen their BS on the cab rank rule too - ‘In practice, the rule has been watered down since its inception’  *&^^& ergo it’s a fallacy

The fundamental principle that a barrister, like a cabbie, has to take the first “fare” that arrives. The obvious rationale being to ensure that no-one simply cherrypicks the plum cases (to mangle a fruit metaphor), and to maintain the cherished independence of the bar.
https://thesecretbarrister.com/glossary/


That isn’t correct, Nicholas — that info you’ve got is wrong.

Barristers certainly can and do indeed refuse to represent people; they’ll often give an excuse as to why, but they do. I know that for a fact.

I also know that no highly regarded barrister would touch JB’s case with a barge pole. Never.
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1161 on: April 27, 2020, 07:03:07 AM »
Lots of good questions Nicholas,

What happened for BC to resurface and turn on his old mate apart from another 2 minutes of fame and a modest cheque from a journalist?

The subject we all want him to shed light on is the attempt to sell Sheila's dignity to the NOTW and his part in it.

Was BC more involved or suspicious than he is prepared to let on?



I read that Brett Collins ceased contact with JB when he was convicted


I don’t see him as “turning on his old mate” — he admitted he had doubts at the very beginning, but said he didn’t/couldn’t believe JB had murdered them as he didn’t want to think it was true. Once the truth came out after he was found guilty that was the end as far as Brett was concerned. But we only have his word for that: he’s hardly going to admit he knew Jeremy planned to kill them.

Incidentally, he didn’t approach the press for “fame” — it’s hardly fame being associated with a mass murderer. The press approached him, and he obliged. Obviously, money would have been an incentive, but as it was so long after the murders he wouldn’t have been paid much — Jeremy was old news even THEN.

I don’t know if  Brett was involved or knew more than he let on, though I don’t think the Greaves sisters did. Goodness, if Jeremy ran around telling all and sundry what he’d done, he’d have been insane. However, I certainly think Brett is an extremely unpalatable man. To go into WHF snooping around, arranging auctioneers to buy antiques, driving Nevill’s car, wearing one of Nevill’s dressing gowns, taking charge at the funeral, organising things that had nothing to do with him...and that’s without the trip to Amsterdam, holiday to St Tropez...he certainly enjoyed his share of the pickings.

Sleeping in Sheila’s flat, laying on one of the twins beds...then the NOTW photos of Sheila  he tried to hawk with Jeremy...he’s a pig of a man and a disgrace.  He certainly didn’t seem disturbed by Jeremy’s behaviour after the murders, when everyone else was...

This is just a hunch, and may just be coincidental. But Brett went to Greece when Jeremy murdered everyone, and whilst some may say that was fortunate for him, something about it makes me feel uneasy. It was kind of “too convenient “. But that could just be me...

I know when antipodeans travel to Europe they often fly direct to London as a base, and especially if they have family here, and then they do Europe travelling from country to country. They rarely come to London, stay just a few weeks, then jet off to Greece. They “do” Europe by starting off at, say, Paris and work their way east seeing as many places as possible, until returning to London. It costs far less money as they’re not backtracking and they see much more too.

I just wonder if Brett gave Jeremy some kind of advice? He did go to WHF and meet the family, so he knew the layout etc..

Something,..just something...flags up to me.

He claims he saw the WHF headlines in a newspaper when he was strolling along some shops in Greece, and as you know, the newspapers arrived one day later back then. I’m not sure when he phoned Jeremy after reading it, but something doesn’t feel right to me. Few young men are interested in reading foreign newspapers when they’re on holiday (he’s a Kiwi, remember) and shops abroad usually stack just a few (comparatively) all folded over hiding the headlines. I just think something’s fishy...but I could be wrong.

I strongly suspect he and Jeremy planned to move to Australia together...and when Brett knew Jeremy would most likely be found guilty he cleared off and got away. If he was involved we’ll never know...
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1162 on: April 27, 2020, 07:27:52 AM »
Julie can't really do anything else. After all these years, she can hardly say her statement was not the whole truth. She would be in a LOT of trouble.

But then again, perhaps she did tell the whole truth.


Well, when Julie was cross-examined in the first court case, about a YEAR after making many, many statements — she never deviated ONCE from what she’d already told the police. Remember, she was cross-examined by the one of the top QC’s in the UK, who are trained to trip people up. And Julie was naive too...so she was at a disadvantage. Yet the defence  never once caught her out in a lie.

Fast forward 16 years later to 2002 and Julie Mugford flew from Canada to give evidence again at the Court of Appeal. She certainly had no qualms in doing so. In the event she wasn’t called, but I guarantee she’d still remember every evil detail of what he did. How can you forget a thing like that?!

It will never get to court again, I know that, I really do. But IF it could get appeal again Julie would once again be called, and she’d come over and tell the Court exactly what she told them in 1986.

But seriously, it’s silly to even consider. As far as the CPS and Courts are concerned they’re sick to the back teeth of his failed attempts at making up weak stories to try and wriggle out of jail. It will never happen. And that’s a fact.
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Offline APRIL

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1163 on: April 27, 2020, 07:44:05 AM »
Anji Greaves apparently started seeing Bamber 2 days after the funerals - so that”s 18th Aug 1985

She told the Sun ‘he called on her at her Kensington flat’

She stated,

We were just sat on the sofa watching videos and he made a pass. He put his arm round me and we kissed.
He told me he had been getting fed up with Julie and asked me how to tell her they were finished. He said he really wanted to get married.. ” 29th Oct 1986

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/10683033/jeremy-bamber-white-house-farm-sheila-caffell/


If he started "seeing" her two days after the funerals, by turning up at her flat, it's fairly certain that he must have already known her.

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1164 on: April 27, 2020, 09:10:20 AM »

If he started "seeing" her two days after the funerals, by turning up at her flat, it's fairly certain that he must have already known her.

The CT team used the word ‘seeing’ April as in, ‘another girl he’d been seeing called Virginia Greaves’ - it’s confusing  *&^^&

“Wednesday 4 September 1985 – Jeremy took Julie to a café close to Sheila’s apartment shortly before 4pm and gave her a cheque for £400 to pay for a holiday with Liz Rimmington[6]. He then discussed their relationship, and after his arrest Julie banked this cheque along with another from Jeremy. On returning to Sheila’s apartment, Jeremy received a telephone call from another girl he’d been seeing called Virginia Greaves. In fury, Julie ran into the bedroom, picked up a wooden Chinese trick box that belonged to Jeremy and threw it into a mirror, smashing it into pieces. Brett Collins also witnessed this from the next room in the apartment.
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https://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/julie-mugford-volunteer-witness

And this 7th Jan 2020 article appears to have mistakenly posted a photo of Anji Greaves

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10115673/who-was-sheila-caffell-mental-health-children/
« Last Edit: April 27, 2020, 09:15:55 AM by Nicholas »
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1165 on: April 27, 2020, 09:16:44 AM »
The CT team used the word ‘seeing’ April as in

This 7th Jan 2020 article appears to have mistakenly posted a photo of Anji Greaves ?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10115673/who-was-sheila-caffell-mental-health-children/


I’m not sure what you’re getting at — are you suggesting Angi is April or Aunt Agatha?

Jesus...Im losing the plot! 8()-000( ^*&& $6(&
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Offline Common sense

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1166 on: April 27, 2020, 09:39:51 AM »


Holly’s been trying to crack it since 2014 (maybe longer) and still hasn’t even made a dent...


But there’s no dent to make as he’s guilty as sin. His psychiatrist said that when he was on remand and diagnosed him as a psychopath

As much as I disagree with her conclusions, Holly does at least approach the case from a serious angle and is prepared to argue her version of events, unlike the CT who are just plain mad and operating a cult.  I respect Holly for that.

I share her disdain for Bambers poor understanding of his own case and the CT whose various members have allowed him to not just muddy his own waters but take a great big steaming dump in them.

From what I can gather, what she is trying to do is undermine the blood/silencer evidence which, if it's possible, would be enough on it's own to render the conviction unsafe and the CoA would order a retrial. This is basically trying to overturn the conviction on a technicality and goes nowhere near proving him innocent which IMO, can't be done. There is too much evidence against him.

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1167 on: April 27, 2020, 09:42:51 AM »
This is what he appears to have written to CAL

“Jeremy states that after he was led down to his cell for the night , DCI Taff Jones paid him a visit:

He looked at me and he said: “We’re letting you out.’ I went, ‘Great.’ He said , “That Julie’s full of shit.’ Those were his words: ‘That Julie’s full of shit. And off I went. In my own mind I knew she was angry about things. And I actually thought I would be able to go and see her and say to her: ‘What’s that all about? I’m sorry. I didn’t realise my behaviour would so upset you that you’d be [prepared] to lie.” And I genuinely thought I was going to go and see her, after getting out of the police station. She was put in police protective custody from then on.”

(Courtesy of Carol Ann Lee’s book ~ ‘The Murders at White House Farm’)
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Rj14BwAAQBAJ&pg=PA317&lpg=PA317&dq=the+sun+anji+greaves+jeremy+bamber&source=bl&ots=h8PnNHTkTl&sig=ACfU3U1NpuMY9WW_GJ0UKEtiEAeZmVwONg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwics4rWi4LpAhWEoFwKHYIID8oQ6AEwBHoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=the%20sun%20anji%20greaves%20jeremy%20bamber&f=false

This is yet more of Bamber’s BS - bet this conversation with Taff Jones never even took place

He started ‘seeing’ Anji 2 days after the funerals so what would he be going to see JM about?

Plus he’d told Anji he’d “been getting fed up with Julie and asked me how to tell her it was finished

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Offline APRIL

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1168 on: April 27, 2020, 09:45:21 AM »
The CT team used the word ‘seeing’ April as in, ‘another girl he’d been seeing called Virginia Greaves’ - it’s confusing  *&^^&

And this 7th Jan 2020 article appears to have mistakenly posted a photo of Anji Greaves

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10115673/who-was-sheila-caffell-mental-health-children/


Do you think "seeing" is a modest translation of s----ing?

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1169 on: April 27, 2020, 09:46:03 AM »

Do you think "seeing" is a modest translation of s----ing?

You’ll need to fill in the blanks for me April
Who wants to take on this great massive lie?” Writer Martin Preib on the tsunami of innocence fraud sweeping our nation