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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1170 on: April 27, 2020, 09:46:44 AM »
Oh, Bamber was a charmer alright!  Rumpy-pumpie in the sky with a total stranger and poor Anji Greaves inconsolable when she learned he'd been convicted...

From "The Murders at White House Farm" by Carol Ann Lee...

Anji Greaves had waited for the verdict in a hotel not far from Chelmsford with two friends and a journalist. Her room was decorated with ‘Welcome Home, Jeremy!’ banners, and she wore her glitziest outfit, with a bag packed; the journalist intended to write Jeremy’s story when he was acquitted and then hustle the couple off on holiday. But when the television news delivered the outcome, Anji walked out in a daze, narrowly avoiding being run over. She told the journalist: ‘I feel so much loyalty for Jeremy but I do not know if I can bring myself to go on visiting now. It could be a life sentence for both of us.’

Is this letter to Aunt Agatha or Anji ?
« Last Edit: April 27, 2020, 10:05:04 AM by Nicholas »
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Offline Common sense

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1171 on: April 27, 2020, 09:51:17 AM »
CS,

I think you meant to write “IFthis MOJ is overturned “

Not “WHEN”

You’re sounding like you think it will be...I can assure you it won’t ever be overturned.

Sarcasm doesn't translate well to the written word. I was channelling the mind of a Bamberette, some of whom really are convinced that the authorities all "know" he is innocent and once they expose the biggest, most complex conspiracy in history, millions of people will take to the streets and "they" will have no choice but to free him

The only way the conviction will be overturned is on a technicality and I would say the chances of that are nil if the latest conspiracy fantasies are the best he can do.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1172 on: April 27, 2020, 10:08:25 AM »
Sarcasm doesn't translate well to the written word. I was channelling the mind of a Bamberette, some of whom really are convinced that the authorities all "know" he is innocent and once they expose the biggest, most complex conspiracy in history, millions of people will take to the streets and "they" will have no choice but to free him

The only way the conviction will be overturned is on a technicality and I would say the chances of that are nil if the latest conspiracy fantasies are the best he can do.

The conviction will not be overturned on a technicality but on a mountain of fresh forensic evidence.

JB's MoJ is no different from other high profile and long running MOJ's all of which contain similar features.

JB's case has dragged on for longer because unlike other MOJ's who benefitted from continuous and reliable support from family members, JB has had all manner of misfits dipping in and out from complete cranks to a bogus lawyer.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Common sense

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1173 on: April 27, 2020, 10:32:13 AM »
The conviction will not be overturned on a technicality but on a mountain of fresh forensic evidence.

JB's MoJ is no different from other high profile and long running MOJ's all of which contain similar features.

JB's case has dragged on for longer because unlike other MOJ's who benefitted from continuous and reliable support from family members, JB has had all manner of misfits dipping in and out from complete cranks to a bogus lawyer.

I admire your confidence Holly but I can't even see a molehill of fresh evidence ever being built, never mind the mountain required.

The case is not comparable to other (actual) MOJs at all. There has never been a case in history where the police knew the perp but decided to expose their own incompetence and fit up a completely innocent man instead.

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Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1174 on: April 27, 2020, 10:38:27 AM »
The conviction will not be overturned on a technicality but on a mountain of fresh forensic evidence.

JB's MoJ is no different from other high profile and long running MOJ's all of which contain similar features.

JB's case has dragged on for longer because unlike other MOJ's who benefitted from continuous and reliable support from family members, JB has had all manner of misfits dipping in and out from complete cranks to a bogus lawyer.

Rightly or wrongly, however one looks at it, family support is something that (IMO), Jeremy is never going to have. I cant comment on the "supporters" to which you refer, as I know little about them. This, I know, is off topic, but there is an American case with a number of similarities, that of Dr Jeffrey MacDonald. He has done even more years than Jeremy.

Offline Common sense

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1175 on: April 27, 2020, 10:51:27 AM »
Rightly or wrongly, however one looks at it, family support is something that (IMO), Jeremy is never going to have. I cant comment on the "supporters" to which you refer, as I know little about them. This, I know, is off topic, but there is an American case with a number of similarities, that of Dr Jeffrey MacDonald. He has done even more years than Jeremy.

The supporters referred to are those that seem to think the CT has some credibility and repeat their call log conspiracy rubbish. 

The MacDonald case is very similar in that it polarises people. The confessions and recanted confessions of the girl in the floppy hat give his supporters some basis for believing he is innocent, but the forensic evidence, with the holes in the fabric matching his wifes stab wounds and his lack of grief after his wife and children were supposedly murdered give the guilters a strong case.
[ I should warn anyone that googles the case that there are grisly CS photos, including some of the children]

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1176 on: April 27, 2020, 11:11:28 AM »
JB has had all manner of misfits dipping in and out from complete cranks to a bogus lawyer.

What separates you from them Holly?
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1177 on: April 27, 2020, 11:30:08 AM »
I admire your confidence Holly but I can't even see a molehill of fresh evidence ever being built, never mind the mountain required.

The case is not comparable to other (actual) MOJs at all. There has never been a case in history where the police knew the perp but decided to expose their own incompetence and fit up a completely innocent man instead.

I don't think the police did know the perp. It is the only peacetime mass shooting unwitnessed by independent alive others.  The mistake everyone made imo was not getting experts in from outside UK who deal with gun crime and mass shootings routinely.

When UK Gov opened investigation into Bloody Sunday it instructed Dr Vincent Di Maio who is a US based  internationally renowned expert in the pathology of gunshot wounds.  Why did UK Gov look to US and not instruct the likes of UK based Malcolm Fletcher?

Dr Vincent Di Maio was involved in the JFK reconstruction I uploaded and I've relied heavily on his forensic textbook for my research into JB's case:

https://books.google.com/books/about/Gunshot_Wounds.html?id=VbrDbbHAflsC
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Common sense

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1178 on: April 27, 2020, 12:29:45 PM »
I don't think the police did know the perp. It is the only peacetime mass shooting unwitnessed by independent alive others.  The mistake everyone made imo was not getting experts in from outside UK who deal with gun crime and mass shootings routinely.

When UK Gov opened investigation into Bloody Sunday it instructed Dr Vincent Di Maio who is a US based  internationally renowned expert in the pathology of gunshot wounds.  Why did UK Gov look to US and not instruct the likes of UK based Malcolm Fletcher?

Dr Vincent Di Maio was involved in the JFK reconstruction I uploaded and I've relied heavily on his forensic textbook for my research into JB's case:

https://books.google.com/books/about/Gunshot_Wounds.html?id=VbrDbbHAflsC

We can all agree that the investigation was a complete shambles from the beginning but the inquest recorded it as murder-suicide and Taff was convinced that it was.  No one (except the relatives) would have batted an eyelid if JB had inherited the lot and sailed off to quickly spend it all on cocaine and Bollinger and neither would there have been two inquiries into the EP that they invited on themselves by changing course and exposing their own bungling but the fact is, they were lead eventually by the evidence. 

If they had treated JB as a possible suspect from the beginning as they would today, the case would have long faded in the memory.

I can't agree that MF was not up to the job, he had 13 years experience and could draw on any other published expert opinion to back up his own. He was honest enough to say that the phenomenon of back spatter was not fully understood at that time - he didn't mean not fully understood by just himself but by anyone in the field at that time.  Do you really think he went to the Old Bailey armed with only his own opinion and hunches  ( and not just on the back spatter) ?

I'll have a look at Dr Di Maio in a bit but I can't see how a JFK style reconstruction would have helped,  we know roughly where the killer was in WHF as evidenced by the casings etc, it tells us nothing about who the killer was, just as if there had been two people in the book depository in Dallas, all we would know is roughly where the bullets came from.

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1179 on: April 27, 2020, 01:09:24 PM »
As much as I disagree with her conclusions, Holly does at least approach the case from a serious angle and is prepared to argue her version of events, unlike the CT who are just plain mad and operating a cult.  I respect Holly for that.

I share her disdain for Bambers poor understanding of his own case and the CT whose various members have allowed him to not just muddy his own waters but take a great big steaming dump in them.

From what I can gather, what she is trying to do is undermine the blood/silencer evidence which, if it's possible, would be enough on it's own to render the conviction unsafe and the CoA would order a retrial. This is basically trying to overturn the conviction on a technicality and goes nowhere near proving him innocent which IMO, can't be done. There is too much evidence against him.


CS, there was more than enough overwhelming evidence against JB without the silencer.  Jeremy’s QC, who was one of the top in the UK, was unable to explain how Sheila’s blood came to be in the silencer. Blood spatter gives distinct patterns, and as no-one knew Sheila’s blood group; no-one knew her blood was even inside the silencer until forensics examined it microscopically; no-one knew the pattern back spatter makes; no-one knew how to make that same pattern even if they did know the pattern; then how could Sheila’s blood have ended up in a dried flake on the eighth baffle?

Taking it a step further, how could anyone have got a sample of Sheila’s wet blood when she’d been dead for weeks? We’ve established it couldn’t have been menstrual blood, so explain how Sheila’s blood was found in a dried flake on the eight baffle when the forensic scientists took it apart?

One needs solid evidence from forensic experts to put forward a case that proves the original findings were wrong, and as it stands there’s nothing at all that suggests otherwise. Holly obviously has her reasons for being so eager to try and prove JB was innocent, and in some ways I admire her tenacity, but I’m sorry to say that I believe she has either been bamboozled by JB or she has some other motive. She isn’t an idiot, yet she accepts every word he says. How’s that? Nor do I believe for a second that Jeremy is some “slow” impressionable Twit who is being told what to say and do by his team. He’s been imprisoned for 35 years and has learned a heck of a lot in that time; that’s on top of him already having a sly, devious nature and being a manipulator. It’s himself who’s the architect of what’s happened — and he has to pay the price.

And just to reiterate what I said previously, even without the evidence of the silencer, all the overwhelming evidence from the witness, Julie, who told the court things about the murders only Jeremy could have known; the fact he lied repeatedly; the fact he knew how to break in and leave WHF house leaving it looking secure; the fact he lied about the phone calls and timings...proves without doubt that only he could have murdered his family.

Which makes trying to discredit the findings of the silencer a complete waste of time.
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Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1180 on: April 27, 2020, 01:18:37 PM »

If he started "seeing" her two days after the funerals, by turning up at her flat, it's fairly certain that he must have already known her.


More than likely, April — he was promiscuous, after all...

But really, who cares? What does it matter? Yes, it proves he was a deceptive, cheating s..m ball, but everyone knows that, anyway

I doubt Julie ever lost many sleepless nights over it...and everyone from that era has moved on with their lives...
Seeking Justice for June & Nevill Bamber, Sheila Caffell & her two six-year-old twin boys who were shot dead in their heads by Psychopath, JEREMY BAMBER who must NEVER be released.

Offline ISpyWithMyEye

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1181 on: April 27, 2020, 01:24:15 PM »
Sarcasm doesn't translate well to the written word. I was channelling the mind of a Bamberette, some of whom really are convinced that the authorities all "know" he is innocent and once they expose the biggest, most complex conspiracy in history, millions of people will take to the streets and "they" will have no choice but to free him

The only way the conviction will be overturned is on a technicality and I would say the chances of that are nil if the latest conspiracy fantasies are the best he can do.


His case is far too serious for him to be acquitted on a technicality

There’s stacks and stacks of evidence against him: one little technicality would be the equivalent of a pig’s burp — as his supporter, De’arth likes to quote 🐖🌬
Seeking Justice for June & Nevill Bamber, Sheila Caffell & her two six-year-old twin boys who were shot dead in their heads by Psychopath, JEREMY BAMBER who must NEVER be released.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1182 on: April 27, 2020, 01:39:39 PM »
As much as I disagree with her conclusions, Holly does at least approach the case from a serious angle and is prepared to argue her version of events, unlike the CT who are just plain mad and operating a cult.  I respect Holly for that.

I share her disdain for Bambers poor understanding of his own case and the CT whose various members have allowed him to not just muddy his own waters but take a great big steaming dump in them.

From what I can gather, what she is trying to do is undermine the blood/silencer evidence which, if it's possible, would be enough on it's own to render the conviction unsafe and the CoA would order a retrial. This is basically trying to overturn the conviction on a technicality and goes nowhere near proving him innocent which IMO, can't be done. There is too much evidence against him.

Undermining the blood/silencer evidence isn't a technicality.  It underpins the conviction.

I don't believe a retrial would be ordered. 

A reconstruction is important not just to support JB's case but from a VARK perspective too. 

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1183 on: April 27, 2020, 01:46:09 PM »

His case is far too serious for him to be acquitted on a technicality

There’s stacks and stacks of evidence against him: one little technicality would be the equivalent of a pig’s burp — as his supporter, De’arth likes to quote 🐖🌬

We know the blood/silencer is the key evidence.  If it wasn't it wouldn't have been referred to Coa in 2002 on the back of this.

The case whole 2002 appeal is utter tosh.  Never mind third time lucky!
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Caroline

Re: The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?
« Reply #1184 on: April 27, 2020, 01:47:33 PM »
Undermining the blood/silencer evidence isn't a technicality.  It underpins the conviction.

I don't believe a retrial would be ordered. 

A reconstruction is important not just to support JB's case but from a VARK perspective too.

Then you are completely wrong! I really hope that you are underway with all of this but I hope you haven't wasted too much money on. it. I can't see what is taking so long - it's been two years Holly and we have nothing but your claims to go on - not that I think you would be dishonest, David wasn't being dishonest in that he did have a report - it was no breakthrough though (as you know).