The Jeremy Supporters : Help, Hindrance or Harmful?

[Caroline]

We know the blood/silencer is the key evidence.  If it wasn't it wouldn't have been referred to Coa in 2002 on the back of this.

The case whole 2002 appeal is utter tosh.  Never mind third time lucky!

So get on with it!

[Nicholas]

“He looked at me and he said: “We’re letting you out.’ I went, ‘Great.’ He said , “That Julie’s full of shit.’ Those were his words: ‘That Julie’s full of shit. And off I went. In my own mind I knew she was angry about things. And I actually thought I would be able to go and see her and say to her: ‘What’s that all about? I’m sorry. I didn’t realise my behaviour would so upset you that you’d be [prepared] to lie.” And I genuinely thought I was going to go and see her, after getting out of the police station. She was put in police protective custody from then on.”[/i]
(Courtesy of Carol Ann Lee’s book ~ ‘The Murders at White House Farm’)
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Rj14BwAAQBAJ&pg=PA317&lpg=PA317&dq=the+sun+anji+greaves+jeremy+bamber&source=bl&ots=h8PnNHTkTl&sig=ACfU3U1NpuMY9WW_GJ0UKEtiEAeZmVwONg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwics4rWi4LpAhWEoFwKHYIID8oQ6AEwBHoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=the%20sun%20anji%20greaves%20jeremy%20bamber&f=false

This is yet more of Bamber’s BS - bet this conversation with Taff Jones never even took place

He started ‘seeing’ Anji 2 days after the funerals so what would he be going to see JM about?

Plus he’d told Anji he’d “been getting fed up with Julie and asked me how to tell her it was finished”

According to CAL’s book, Virginia Greaves witness statement is dated 12th September 1985 - did the police ever take a statement from Anji Greaves ?

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=zV3WCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA453&lpg=PA453&dq=jeremy+bamber+virginia+greaves&source=bl&ots=jQHZR0FbA0&sig=ACfU3U0t2lPEsQhSp3hq2fbvUjZh6y2BPw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi75pDLrIfpAhUTV8AKHUTrA-84ChDoATAAegQIBhAB#v=onepage&q=jeremy%20bamber%20virginia%20greaves&f=false

[ISpyWithMyEye]

This is yet more of Bamber’s BS - bet this conversation with Taff Jones never even took place

He started ‘seeing’ Anji 2 days after the funerals so what would he be going to see JM about?

Plus he’d told Anji he’d “been getting fed up with Julie and asked me how to tell her it was finished”

 Pathological liar

[Nicholas]

Pathological liar

Tell tail sign of a coward, cheat, master manipulator & predator

“To draw you closer, narcissists & psychopaths create an aura of desirability—of being wanted and courted by many. It will become a point of vanity for you to be the preferred object of their attention, to win them away from a crowd of admirers. They manufacture the illusion of popularity by surrounding themselves with members of the opposite sex: friends, former lovers, and your eventual replacement. Then, they create triangles that stimulate rivalry and raise their perceived value. (Adapted from “The Art of Seduction” by Robert Greene).

A note before I continue: people fall in and out of love. People find new love, before and after relationships come to an end. People cheat on one another. This section is not about these everyday occurrences—no matter how heartbreaking and unfair they might be. Instead, I will be describing a very specific set of patterns and behaviors that psychopaths utilize in order to torture and control their targets.

Psychopaths, like most predators, seek power and control.
https://www.psychopathfree.com/articles/torture-by-triangulation.134/

[ISpyWithMyEye]

The conviction will not be overturned on a technicality but on a mountain of fresh forensic evidence.

JB's MoJ is no different from other high profile and long running MOJ's all of which contain similar features.

JB's case has dragged on for longer because unlike other MOJ's who benefitted from continuous and reliable support from family members, JB has had all manner of misfits dipping in and out from complete cranks to a bogus lawyer.

Jeremy Bamber has no family because he killed them all

[Nicholas]

Tell tail sign of a coward, cheat, master manipulator & predator

“To draw you closer, narcissists & psychopaths create an aura of desirability—of being wanted and courted by many. It will become a point of vanity for you to be the preferred object of their attention, to win them away from a crowd of admirers. They manufacture the illusion of popularity by surrounding themselves with members of the opposite sex: friends, former lovers, and your eventual replacement. Then, they create triangles that stimulate rivalry and raise their perceived value. (Adapted from “The Art of Seduction” by Robert Greene).

A note before I continue: people fall in and out of love. People find new love, before and after relationships come to an end. People cheat on one another. This section is not about these everyday occurrences—no matter how heartbreaking and unfair they might be. Instead, I will be describing a very specific set of patterns and behaviors that psychopaths utilize in order to torture and control their targets.

Psychopaths, like most predators, seek power and control.
https://www.psychopathfree.com/articles/torture-by-triangulation.134/

Bamber’s control over his ‘targets’ is self evident

[Nicholas]

Anji Greaves apparently started seeing Bamber 2 days after the funerals - so that”s 18th Aug 1985

She told the Sun ‘he called on her at her Kensington flat’

She stated,

“We were just sat on the sofa watching videos and he made a pass. He put his arm round me and we kissed.
He told me he had been getting fed up with Julie and asked me how to tell her they were finished. He said he really wanted to get married.. ” 29th Oct 1986
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/10683033/jeremy-bamber-white-house-farm-sheila-caffell/

Appears Bamber was by this point devaluing Anji Greaves

“then the more destructive envy comes out and they start devaluing you. This is when the emotional abuse and “gaslighting” will start, where they slowly start to erode your sense of perception and reality.

https://www.psychopathfree.com/articles/torture-by-triangulation.134/

[Nicholas]

Appears Bamber was by this point devaluing Anji Greaves

“then the more destructive envy comes out and they start devaluing you. This is when the emotional abuse and “gaslighting” will start, where they slowly start to erode your sense of perception and reality.

And without doubt this is what happened to AG

‘They will start to chip away with comments to undermine you and will claim things happened or were said when they didn’t and vice versa. They are eroding your identity and self esteem and attempting to destroy the qualities in you that they realize they can’t have.

Their behaviour will become ever more outrageous as they continue to chip away at your boundaries psychologically and the final discard comes when they have completely worn down their target psychologically, at which point they get bored and move onto someone else.

And many others including AA

[Nicholas]

Oh, the irony...and you’re too daft to even see it 

Apologies if I hit a nerve, General...I hope you’re feeling better

So it appears is Mark Newby

Mark Newby said:

“The evidence strongly suggests the chain of events could not have been what the prosecution alleged.”

“The phone call information is consistent with what Jeremy Bamber always said. It is part of a package of evidence that should lead to a positive review for Jeremy.

“It’s fair to say when we go back to the CCRC we will have a pretty strong package which we hope they will refer to the Court of Appeal. We hope we will get it across the line.

“If we do, it is probably this country’s greatest ever miscarriage of justice.”

[ISpyWithMyEye]

So it appears is Mark Newby

Mark Newby said:

“The evidence strongly suggests the chain of events could not have been what the prosecution alleged.”

“The phone call information is consistent with what Jeremy Bamber always said. It is part of a package of evidence that should lead to a positive review for Jeremy.

“It’s fair to say when we go back to the CCRC we will have a pretty strong package which we hope they will refer to the Court of Appeal. We hope we will get it across the line.

“If we do, it is probably this country’s greatest ever miscarriage of justice.”



Well, that’s promising...


Check the words:

SUGGESTS

SHOULD lead

PRETTY strong

We HOPE

We HOPE (2)

IF we do



He sounds very optimistic -— not 

[Nicholas]

Mark Newby said:

“The evidence strongly suggests the chain of events could not have been what the prosecution alleged.”

“The phone call information is consistent with what Jeremy Bamber always said. It is part of a package of evidence that should lead to a positive review for Jeremy.

“It’s fair to say when we go back to the CCRC we will have a pretty strong package which we hope they will refer to the Court of Appeal. We hope we will get it across the line.

“If we do, it is probably this country’s greatest ever miscarriage of justice.”



Well, that’s promising...


Check the words:

SUGGESTS

SHOULD lead

PRETTY strong

We HOPE

We HOPE (2)

IF we do



He sounds very optimistic -— not 

See the Supreme Court ruling on Bamber’s full life term re HOPE

[Caroline]

Mark Newby said:

“The evidence strongly suggests the chain of events could not have been what the prosecution alleged.”

“The phone call information is consistent with what Jeremy Bamber always said. It is part of a package of evidence that should lead to a positive review for Jeremy.

Then why has Bamber changed his timings? A few years ago Jeremy was adamant that he called the police at 03:26, accusing West of altering the log from 03:26 to 03:36. I have the document that the CT formulated detaining how they believed West perjured himself over the logs. In their argument, EP were supposed to have changed the times to make it look as though Bamber had called Julie first and he was adamant he called police around 03:20 (at that point). Now he and they are arguing the that Bamber did indeed call West at 03:36 in order to bluff a call from Nevill. The CCRC aren't stupid!

[Common sense]

Then why has Bamber changed his timings? A few years ago Jeremy was adamant that he called the police at 03:26, accusing West of altering the log from 03:26 to 03:36. I have the document that the CT formulated detaining how they believed West perjured himself over the logs. In their argument, EP were supposed to have changed the times to make it look as though Bamber had called Julie first and he was adamant he called police around 03:20 (at that point). Now he and they are arguing the that Bamber did indeed call West at 03:36 in order to bluff a call from Nevill. The CCRC aren't stupid!

Lomax has Bamber phoning West at "just before 3.20" - and he is his official biographer.

I think the further new evidence is a log from Witham timed at 3.37 stating Bamber is still on the phone to West.

The idiot admitted calling Julie first!

I always thought that there was simply a mistake on one of the logs and that the court made an assumption in Bambers favour after hearing from West, settling on 3.26 but perhaps it was later, meaning he faffed around even longer after his father called sounding "terrified"

Oh for and upgraded BT exchange and proper phone records!

[Caroline]

Lomax has Bamber phoning West at "just before 3.20" - and he is his official biographer.

I think the further new evidence is a log from Witham timed at 3.37 stating Bamber is still on the phone to West.

The idiot admitted calling Julie first!

I always thought that there was simply a mistake on one of the logs and that the court made an assumption in Bambers favour after hearing from West, settling on 3.26 but perhaps it was later, meaning he faffed around even longer after his father called sounding "terrified"

Oh for and upgraded BT exchange and proper phone records!

Exactly but now he is arguing that he called at 03:36. After he found out I had changed my mind about his innocence, he wrote to me asking why. One of the reasons was his changing of the timings - when I mentioned this to him, he wrote back saying he hadn't changed them at all (I guess he thinks we are idiots and can't read or that he is so clever, we might not notice  ) - he followed the denial by telling me he had new logs, not the ones on the internet. I guess he forgot that he had previously sent me copies of the logs he had - they were the same as those on the internet 

[Common sense]

Exactly but now he is arguing that he called at 03:36. After he found out I had changed my mind about his innocence, he wrote to me asking why. One of the reasons was his changing of the timings - when I mentioned this to him, he wrote back saying he hadn't changed them at all (I guess he thinks we are idiots and can't read or that he is so clever, we might not notice  ) - he followed the denial by telling me he had new logs, not the ones on the internet. I guess he forgot that he had previously sent me copies of the logs he had - they were the same as those on the internet 

Good grief. 

He is just like a child caught with an empty cookie jar, he thinks because no one saw him actually eat the cookies he can just deny it and still have pudding!

The first item of evidence they are demanding on their pointless petition is the recordings of the "two" phone calls so voice analysis can prove JB didn't make them both! - They cannot be serious?