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Offline John

Why do some think Vincent Tabak innocent?
« on: April 11, 2017, 02:22:18 PM »
We have now had several threads exploring the conviction of Vincent Tabak so for the small minority who speculate that he is innocent here is an opportunity to provide your evidence.

Why do you believe Vincent Tabak is innocent?

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« Last Edit: June 07, 2018, 08:43:50 AM by Angelo222 »
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Offline AerialHunter

Re: Why do some think Vincent Tabak innocent?
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2017, 04:39:06 PM »
Why do I think Vincent Tabak is innocent?

It is first necessary to account properly for Tabaks submission of a plea of Manslaughter. Having reviewed much material over the last two days it strikes me that few involved in the investigation questioned their own motives for pursuing Tabak and even those whose job it is to consider the actions of such individuals, such as Chief Constables, Magistrates, High Court Judges et al failed to review the circumstances and got swept along with the furore, not wishing to be left out of something lucrative, in both a financial manner as well as in a career enhancing one.

Tabak strikes me as a highly intelligent, overly considerate man who intended to marry his first girlfriend. He had enough about him not to toy with peoples emotions, realising the devastating effects bringing unsatisfactory relationships to a close might have on someone who hadn't realised they weren't up to expectations and had, up to the point when he met the entirely delightful Ms Morson, refrained from acting in anything like a caddish manner.

The, now rather preposterous, suggestion that he would murder his attractive young neighbour by manual strangulation, place her in the boot of his car and drive it to ASDA so he could, without showing any signs of stress, ring his girlfriend then nip off to to the woods to dump the body, is standing like a carving in cottage cheese. You need to be an utter psychopath to act like that, more of that later.

Tabaks dilemma, however, is his recent announcement to his family of his intentions to marry, which met with considered approval are now slightly tainted by a rather unexpected dissection of his laptop porn store, and the rather credible evidence that he had engaged a more than willing tart for an appropriate (perhaps rather overgenerous) sum whilst several thousand miles away from where it could do any harm. The prospect of being taken away from this sudden overwhelming horror and not having to face up to his entire family as well as his devoted fiancé, not to mention the unbearable taunts he would have suffered in the workplace, was probably the lesser of the two evils. His perception of going out of the way for a few years must have been an overwhelmingly attractive solution.

Then we turn to the rather excitable female DC, who, acting as she was on an incredibly valuable, and conveniently anonymous tip off from a female caller decides to arrest anyone within stones throwing distance, knowing full well, as do all police officers, that people who dont know the facts can't defend themselves very well. They came an absolute cropper with the excellent Mr Jeffries, thinking as they did that he was an ineffectual idiot with a bad hairdo. They thought they had an easy victim here, the press portrayed him as the sort of bloke that looked the type, nothing like quality journalism is there? Still, next time somethings up I sure the Feds will oblige with a quick call to the press office, quid pro quo. I would have loved to have watched the inquiry team crumble at the tongue lashing delivered with the eloquence only English Teachers are able to master, beautiful.

Now back to our central inquiry, which Avon & Somerset Constabulary have attempted to suppress, unsuccessfully we might add, in case they were wondering!!

The manner of Yeates death, the abduction, multiple injuries, body dumped by the side of a road in and area known to our primary suspect, all point to back to Avon's bogey man. Oddly enough, if you can afford the time and have the inclination, you will see repeated occasions when the police respond, investigate, find nothing then for some reason miraculously decide to take another look and find everything they missed the first time. More than a curiosity, believe me. This points to someone knowing how to trigger a response from the police and a willingness to plant evidence either to incriminate others or to deflect the police inquiry, and he's good, he is really, really good at this. And he should be.

One of our usual lines is to identify the person in the immediate vicinty who he intended to drag into a police inquiry as a means of retaliation aginst them, the police then simply do his bidding and revenge, as they say, is sweet.

We have agreed between ourselves to include Yeates death in our overall picture as the timing is significant to us more than anything. As I said initially, we overlooked the case because of Tabak's confession, but we are not mindless subordinates with egos easily inflated by the praise of superiors appointed by the simple function of time served.

One thing to conclude, I find it hard to decide what i consider more inappropriate, Tabaks dalliance with a paid professional or the Chief Constable of Avon and Somersets summarial dismissal for his own inappropriate behaviour, worth a read.

This for us is only embryonic at present, but it's above the horizon.

AH
There is none so noble or in receipt of his fellows unbridled adulation as that police officer who willingly deceives to protect one of his own kind and, by virtue of birthright, extends that privilege to his family.

Offline Leonora

Re: Why do some think Vincent Tabak innocent?
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2017, 08:55:52 PM »
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Tabaks dilemma, however, is his recent announcement to his family of his intentions to marry, which met with considered approval are now slightly tainted by a rather unexpected dissection of his laptop porn store, and the rather credible evidence that he had engaged a more than willing tart for an appropriate (perhaps rather overgenerous) sum whilst several thousand miles away from where it could do any harm...
I take one small but important issue with this post - namely, that although you and everyone else who has followed the case believes in the "laptop porn store" and in at least one "more than willing tart" - the news media behaved reprehensibly in failing to explain that both of these allegations were hearsay, made by lawyers in court enjoying immunity against prosecution for slander. They would not be hearsay if the names of the witnesses and their willingness to testify under oath had been stated by the prosecutor and reported by the media. As this was not done, we on this forum should treat the allegations as hearsay, not as facts established by investigation and proven in court.

I speculate that the police may have repeated the same allegations to his girlfriend before she visited him early on during his period on remand, in order to alienate her from him. As she was apparently not suspected of any crime, the police's lying to her would not have violated any laws.
« Last Edit: April 11, 2017, 09:02:24 PM by Leonora »

Offline John

Re: Why do some think Vincent Tabak innocent?
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2017, 12:07:02 AM »
So other than speculations, wild theories and personal opinions is there anything which points to innocence?
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Offline AerialHunter

Re: Why do some think Vincent Tabak innocent?
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2017, 07:22:00 AM »
At the moment everything is speculative, but, that doesn't mean one should ignore the opinions of people who spend time thinking about these issues. My angle is that Yeates was targeted to create a situation that others would be dragged into, that's what I am looking for but I'm not going to ignore others, they might just just be holding the lighter that will show us where the gas leak is. Avon have long known they have a loon out there, but they were absolutely clueless before they went into denial.
There is none so noble or in receipt of his fellows unbridled adulation as that police officer who willingly deceives to protect one of his own kind and, by virtue of birthright, extends that privilege to his family.

Offline Leonora

Re: Why do some think Vincent Tabak innocent?
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2017, 07:55:14 AM »
So other than speculations, wild theories and personal opinions is there anything which points to innocence?
Each and every one of "The hundred questions" in itself points, not only to innocence, but also to an unreal arraignment in which so many of the participants behave out of character that I sometimes ask myself if Joanna Yeates herself really died or really existed.

If the case against Vincent Tabak were as prosaic and sound as you keep on reiterating, John, there would have been no need for the Prosecution, the Judge and the Defence to collaborate in the subterfuge with manifestly imaginary "bad character" evidence to manipulate the press into deceiving the public (including those who had sat on the jury) into believing that Vincent Tabak's secret life had been sufficiently different from other people's to explain away the out-of-character behaviour on which the jury had convicted him.

This collaborative subterfuge is not just evidence of innocence by itself, but also proves that the subsequent conviction for possession of illegal images of child abuse was itself a subterfuge intended to deceive the public, since these images could have been drawn to the jury's attention, had they really been found, as  legitimate evidence of the defendant's bad character. Each of the Hundred Points reinforces the others like the corbelled stones of a cathedral.

Offline Leonora

Re: Why do some think Vincent Tabak innocent?
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2017, 08:01:40 AM »
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My angle is that Yeates was targeted to create a situation that others would be dragged into, that's what I am looking for...
That would certainly explain the extraordinarily high level of media attention her disappearance attracted, compared to other persons who went missing about the same time.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/the-week-four-people-vanished-ndash-and-only-one-made-the-news-2186297.html?origin=internalSearch

Offline Nine

Re: Why do some think Vincent Tabak innocent?
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2017, 11:20:01 AM »
AerialHunter....

The glaringly obvious question is why the Police needed Dr Vincent Tabak flat vacated??

From the morning police were alterted to Joanna Yeates disappearance to the arrest of Dr Vincent Tabak, Flat 2 was virtually unoccupied.. Also Flat 1....

What happened in Flat 2... now I don't mean murder or bodies hidden...

23rd December 2010 (could have been day before)... Dr Vincent Tabak and Tanja Morson go to Cambridge for a few days...

This then bring them from Cambridge to Holland which they are their until the 3rd January 2011 if memory serves me correct....

They basically then move out to Aberdeen Road......

Now I know Dr Vincent Tabak said it was because of the police activity... but that really shouldn't have been an issue.. I believe the police made it impossible for them to stay... The question is WHY?????

The Police had access to Flat 2 before Dr Vincent Tabak was arrested.... WHY????  why did they access flat 2 before his arrest????

 What did flat 2 look like once the police finished??? we don't know... Dr Vincent Tabak and Tanja Morson never went back there....Apart from to collect a few things....

Don't people find it most unusual that the Police needed Dr VincentTabak and Tanja Morson to vacate their home....

If there was a murder next door to me I might be worried but i wouldn't leave my home....
The more I think about it the weirder it is.. Nobody leaves there home and moves elsewhere when there has been a murder next door...  Or in the flats they live in.... There would have needed to be a bomb or chemicals there for that to happen....

So why make it so they move out?????

If you look at the pictures of the outside between flat 1 and 2 there are various paving slabs that have been removed and replaced.... why??? 

Dr Vincent Tabak hadn't moved paving slabs to hide the pizza they say he took....

What reason did they need to erect scaffolding and cover with tarpaulin???

There is something about Flat 2 being empty... there's a  NEED for it.... I just don't know what it is????

This is another area that the Defence neglected to cover....

Remember the lady from the CPS said they planned Dr Vincent Tabak's arrest... So what else did they plan???

I think the early investigation and news coverage need a look at again... To see how long it takes the forensics to go in and out of Joanna Yeates flat... And why they needed the whole of the ground floor of the building vacant????

How many days in total were both flat 1 and flat 2 empty??????

 Interesting...

Offline John

Re: Why do some think Vincent Tabak innocent?
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2017, 11:38:38 AM »
It was a week before Joanna's body was discovered so police were obliged to look into all possible scenarios.  That is why they needed space around flats 1 and 2 to conduct their investigations unhindered.  If you look at it from the killers point of view too, he would not want to be around the police for obvious reasons thus why he stayed elsewhere.

A point which I noticed while reading the press report was that Vincent Tabak was charged with failing to surrender himself, can anyone elaborate on this?
« Last Edit: April 16, 2017, 08:47:47 PM by John »
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Offline Nine

Re: Why do some think Vincent Tabak innocent?
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2017, 11:49:52 AM »
It was a week before Joanna's body was discovered so police were obliged to look into all possible scenarios.  That is why they needed space around flats 1 and 2 to conduct their investigations unhindered.  If you look at it from the killers point of view too, he would not want to be around the police for obvious reasons thus why he stayed elsewhere.

A point which I noticed while reading the press report was that Vincent Tabak was charged with failing to surrender himself, can anyone elaborate on this?

How was he charged with failing to surrender????/ They arrested him at his home in Aberdeen Road he came quietly and was in a state of shock!!!!

Offline Nine

Re: Why do some think Vincent Tabak innocent?
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2017, 11:53:00 AM »
It was a week before Joanna's body was discovered so police were obliged to look into all possible scenarios.  That is why they needed space around flats 1 and 2 to conduct their investigations unhindered.  If you look at it from the killers point of view too, he would not want to be around the police for obvious reasons thus why he stayed elsewhere.

A point which I noticed while reading the press report was that Vincent Tabak was charged with failing to surrender himself, can anyone elaborate on this?

But even if Dr Vincent Tabak moved out ... they shouldn't have had access to his flat!!!!

Offline AerialHunter

Re: Why do some think Vincent Tabak innocent?
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2017, 12:40:52 PM »
It is a simple, time saving policy of policing. Go for someone in the immediate vicinity and try and build a case against them. The reason behind this is that most people that murder are known to the victim. The police are only concerned with getting a result, if they can make something out of nothing, they win. They also know that many people on jury service have never been in a commanding position over other people's lives and use their only opportunity to display their sudden authority and go for a guilty verdict irrespective of the evidence. Often the people on juries with this attitude cause other jurors to withdraw. Police exploit this to their own advantage, as do the prosecuting team. The privileged position they have ruled on themselves is simply the best idea they've in absolutely ages, even better than the ruling that it is better to have an innocent man in jail than bring the system into disrepute, that gets them off the hook for the f*** ups, it's basically saying " Dont worry lads, if you get it wrong it's all part of the game, we'll cover your arses." Then they use a jury to make the final decision so they never put themselves on the hook, "The jury decided that, not us." is oft the cry. Then they prevent the jury from making their findings public. Then they come up with lots of obstructive rules to prevent the wrongly convicted from helping themselves and obstruct decent people like us from trying to establish the real truth.

There is none so noble or in receipt of his fellows unbridled adulation as that police officer who willingly deceives to protect one of his own kind and, by virtue of birthright, extends that privilege to his family.

Offline Leonora

Re: Why do some think Vincent Tabak innocent?
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2017, 09:27:22 PM »
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A point which I noticed while reading the press report was that Vincent Tabak was charged with failing to surrender himself, can anyone elaborate on this?
He was not CHARGED with failing to surrender HIMSELF: his bail was opposed on the grounds of "failing to surrender, and interfering with the course of justice". This was reported only in the Daily Star newspaper.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/173666/Joanna-Yeates-suspect-has-a-clean-rap-sheet

I assume it means: "failing to call the emergency services as soon as Joanna was injured and dead, and dumping the body somewhere where no one expected to find her."

Offline Nine

Re: Why do some think Vincent Tabak innocent?
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2017, 09:05:00 AM »
He was not CHARGED with failing to surrender HIMSELF: his bail was opposed on the grounds of "failing to surrender, and interfering with the course of justice". This was reported only in the Daily Star newspaper.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/173666/Joanna-Yeates-suspect-has-a-clean-rap-sheet

I assume it means: "failing to call the emergency services as soon as Joanna was injured and dead, and dumping the body somewhere where no one expected to find her."

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“The grounds for applying for a remand in custody are failing to surrender and interfering with the course of justice.’’


The grounds are ridiculous:...

(1): Failing to surrender relates to someone who is already on bail.....

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Failure to Surrender Law and Legal Definition. Failure to surrender is a crime where a person who has been released on bail as part of criminal proceedings fails without reasonable cause to surrender to custody.


(2):Interfering with the course of Justice... 

How does that apply...  It can only be proven at trial that he may or may not have interfered with the course of Justice...

As interferring with the course of Justice was never a charge, how can it interfer with bail conditions???



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Section 114 of the Coroners and Justice Act 2009 amends Schedule 1 to the Bail Act 1976. Section 114(2) provides that bail may not be granted to someone charged with murder unless the court is satisfied that there is no significant risk that, if released on bail, that person would commit an offence that would be likely to cause physical or mental injury to another person. In coming to that decision, the court must have regard to the nature and seriousness of the offence, the suspect's character and antecedents and his record in relation to previous grants of bail.


Dr Vincent Tabak was of Good Chatacter which the CPS will testify to.... he was not a risk or danger, therefore he SHOULD have been granted BAIL!!!!


He wasn't a flight risk as he would never have returned from Holland when he had been there over christmas...


Why didn't the defence make an application for bail there and then???



http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/a_to_c/bail/#a07

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/173666/Joanna-Yeates-suspect-has-a-clean-rap-sheet

Offline Nine

Re: Why do some think Vincent Tabak innocent?
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2017, 09:13:59 AM »
The main problem with The BAIL....  It was never applied for !!!!

Cook says he won't be applying for bail..... WHY????  No reason!!!