Scene Of Crime Reconstruction

[puglove]

Smears on the door?... haven't seen or read about those!

You can see them on the black and white image of June (sorry, I don't know how to access it).

[Myster]

You can see them on the black and white image of June (sorry, I don't know how to access it).

Must be on blue, as I've only seen the colour one, unless Holly knows anything different.

[John]

If this was true the CCRC would not have referred the case to the COA based on the blood flake and silencer.

The CCRC must consider whether on the balance of probabilities that a conviction might be unsafe.  That does not however imply necessarily that the convicted person is innocent.

[John]

Didn't Barry George and Sion Jenkins get murder convictions overturned ? There must be loads of less famous cases as well.

There is just too much incriminating evidence against Bamber, who is the only alive suspect. Despite 32 years of trying.

Barry George yes, however, the High Court ruled that there was no clear evidence of innocence so he was denied compo.  I believe the last jury failed to agree a verdict in the Jenkins trial and the CPS decided to call it a day, he too was denied compo for the same reason.

[John]

Is this the photo you are referring to Holly with the blood smears on the bottom of the door?

If you want to see it in black and white click on link.  http://i.imgur.com/qgFI40g.jpg




If anyone wants to see a wider shot of the victim click on the link below.

Warning!!  Explicit image.

http://i.imgur.com/RHTuZth.jpg

[Myster]

It was puglove, not Holly, who was referring to a black and white photo showing smears on the door, but I don't see any in that colour photo or on the larger one converted to greyscale with only the eiderdown and two casings near the cupboard

[Holly Goodhead]

The CCRC must consider whether on the balance of probabilities that a conviction might be unsafe.  That does not however imply necessarily that the convicted person is innocent.

In 2001/02 the CCRC referred to the CoA based on the blood/silencer evidence only.  My understanding is that once a case is referred to the CoA other points can be added that alone or collectively would not have been strong enough for a referral.  In JB's case if other strong evidence existed then why would the CCRC have referred?  Surely they could just dismiss anything that might undermine the blood/silencer and fall back on other strong evidence if any such evidence existed? 

[Holly Goodhead]

Barry George yes, however, the High Court ruled that there was no clear evidence of innocence so he was denied compo.  I believe the last jury failed to agree a verdict in the Jenkins trial and the CPS decided to call it a day, he too was denied compo for the same reason.

I don't know enough about these case to have any particular view on them, but it seems odd to me that the judicial system seems to be saying we're going to quash your conviction because it might be unsafe but you're not entitled to financial compensation for loss of liberty.  I thought convictions were quashed mainly on the basis of some new evidence coming to light that had jurors known about at trial might have altered their verdicts.  If so I am struggling to see why compensation should be denied  &%+((£

It appears Sam Hallam is fighting for compensation:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Hallam

I'm just not getting this.  Why are convictions being quashed if the courts are so uncertain to the extent compensation is denied? 

[Holly Goodhead]

Is this the photo you are referring to Holly with the blood smears on the bottom of the door?

If you want to see it in black and white click on link.  http://i.imgur.com/qgFI40g.jpg




If anyone wants to see a wider shot of the victim click on the link below.

Warning!!  Explicit image.

http://i.imgur.com/RHTuZth.jpg

Thanks John    I don't usually bother with the 'like' thing but I'm going to 'like' you for this 

As far as I can recall first time I've seen this image.  It will assist in understading DC Hammersley's trial testimony which explains in detail the location of casings June's side of the bed but is difficult to visualise without an image.

[Holly Goodhead]

It was puglove, not Holly, who was referring to a black and white photo showing smears on the door, but I don't see any in that colour photo or on the larger one converted to greyscale with only the eiderdown and two casings near the cupboard

I think I can see blood smears?  About a foot from the bottom of the door near the edge?  And in the panel and just below it?

[Myster]

I think I can see blood smears?  About a foot from the bottom of the door near the edge?  And in the panel and just below it?

Aaah yes, now I see very faint ones near the door edge and in the panel at the extreme right (unless it's a reflection).  So what does this mean... that June was lying down on her right side facing the door and then turned over onto her back by herself, or by the perp to deliver the final two head shots?

Also three casings, two together below the large cupboard and one on the eiderdown/duvet cover, but no others, so the remaining ones must be underneath both of them.

[Holly Goodhead]

Aaah yes, now I see very faint ones near the door edge and in the panel at the extreme right (unless it's a reflection).  So what does this mean... that June was lying down on her right side facing the door and then turned over onto her back by herself, or by the perp to deliver the final two head shots?

Also three casings, two together below the large cupboard and one on the eiderdown/duvet cover, but no others, so the remaining ones must be underneath both of them.

I think I owe Scipio an apology as he said there was two DRH/7's and I argued there was only one but it seems I was wrong! 

DC Hammersley's trial testimony (below) helps to locate the casings along with the image above and casing layout diagram.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=165.0;attach=201

DRH/6 - on quilt
DRH/7 - under wardrobe
DRH/7 - under wardrobe

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=165.0;attach=203

DRH/8 - on bed
DRH/10 - on/near flex?
DRH/11 - under quilt?
DRH/12 - on floor?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=165.0;attach=219
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=165.0;attach=221

DRH/43 - under wardrobe

I'm a bit puzzled by June's found position. 

   

[John]

It was puglove, not Holly, who was referring to a black and white photo showing smears on the door, but I don't see any in that colour photo or on the larger one converted to greyscale with only the eiderdown and two casings near the cupboard

So it was, imagine getting puglove and Holly mixed up...must be the heat. 

[Holly Goodhead]

So it was, imagine getting puglove and Holly mixed up...must be the heat.

Easy mistake when we're both Top Totty 

[puglove]

Easy mistake when we're both Top Totty 

Ho ho!! That's the truth!!     %£&)**#


Anyhoo. Two things. The black and white image of June, that shows the blood smears on the door, is on blue. I remember discussing it, when the blue forum was interesting and informative. Before clappedout got thrown off a McCann forum for rudeness and made her ghastly nest on blue.

AND.....has Roch pissed or got off the pot yet? Or is he still teasing everyone? With something that doesn't exist?

Plus ca change.