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Offline adam

Re: Scene Of Crime Reconstruction
« Reply #240 on: May 15, 2017, 08:54:45 AM »
Hopefully Jackie will today submit her new received information & requested Sheila scenario. Guilters like myself may then take a less negative view on Bamber.

Forum members can give their views & advice on the scenario & new information.

It will be good to use posters interested and familar with the case as a sounding board,  prior to Jackie embarking on her 6 part documentary on the case.
« Last Edit: May 15, 2017, 11:15:40 AM by adam »

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Scene Of Crime Reconstruction
« Reply #241 on: May 15, 2017, 02:03:18 PM »
There is no use comparing a .223 to a .22lr. Different gun, different ammo and different extractor. Plus the tree is far away.



I have managed to create an animation in my reconstruction. The link is below. What is good about this is the software actually uses a physics engine. So its fairly realistic.

https://expirebox.com/download/810f54db1bd496d0a073494610263da0.html

Your reconstruction based on my reconstruction   8(0(*

So you think DRH/3 and /4 pertain to June's head gsw's?  One of these casings is visible in the soc image of June by the door.  It is opposite June's face about 1.5 - 2.0 feet away.  I can't reconcile this based on the distance of shots, wound tracks and what is known about the ejection pattern.

MF sounds a bit of a numpty based on his trial testimony.  Eg telling the court his relevant experience included a small amount of experience with an air rifle during childhood.  However hopefully he was capable of firing a hundred rounds or so to determine the casing ejection pattern.  He said casings can travel up to 4'.  I think the idea a casing can travel a few inches in one direction, hit a wall and then ricochet in the opposite direction some 3' to 4' feet is somewhat fanciful.  I don't think it would have the energy required for this sort of movement.  If it can travel up to 4' unimpeded why would it travel the same distance impeded? Hitting a solid object eg a wall will all but stop it.  Just a little  8(*(

I haven't downloaded your link in case its a trick to spy on me and steal my intelligence  ?>)()<

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Scene Of Crime Reconstruction
« Reply #242 on: May 15, 2017, 02:11:49 PM »
Hopefully Jackie will today submit her new received information & requested Sheila scenario. Guilters like myself may then take a less negative view on Bamber.

Forum members can give their views & advice on the scenario & new information.

It will be good to use posters interested and familar with the case as a sounding board,  prior to Jackie embarking on her 6 part documentary on the case.

Is this the BBC documentary Lookout and Mike are presenting?  8)-)))
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline adam

Re: Scene Of Crime Reconstruction
« Reply #243 on: May 15, 2017, 02:37:45 PM »
Is this the BBC documentary Lookout and Mike are presenting?  8)-)))

I suspect it will Martin Bashir.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Scene Of Crime Reconstruction
« Reply #244 on: May 15, 2017, 03:04:00 PM »
I suspect it will Martin Bashir.

Mike's presentation skills will be a tough act to follow even for the likes of MB:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmCART1vcCo

8)-)))

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline adam

Re: Scene Of Crime Reconstruction
« Reply #245 on: May 15, 2017, 05:09:15 PM »
Mike's presentation skills will be a tough act to follow even for the likes of MB:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmCART1vcCo

8)-)))

I'm sure Jeremy will be pleased if Mike narrates in Jackie's 6 part documentary.

Someone like Sir Trevor Macdonald 'OBE', would give the documentary more gravitas. Once he finds out Julie identified the twins, Sir Trevor may even agree to do it for free.

Offline Myster

Re: Scene Of Crime Reconstruction
« Reply #246 on: May 15, 2017, 05:27:32 PM »
The first part of the documentary series is already in the can.  Very short, but it's going to be a big hit...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7qm3t3IU1U
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline adam

Re: Scene Of Crime Reconstruction
« Reply #247 on: May 15, 2017, 05:44:00 PM »
I hope the 6 part documentary doesn't get scrapped after a couple of episodes.

I was very upset when Trudi's Monday vlogs suddenly stopped. Without explanation.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Scene Of Crime Reconstruction
« Reply #248 on: May 15, 2017, 06:33:10 PM »
I hope the 6 part documentary doesn't get scrapped after a couple of episodes.

I guess it will depend on audience figs.  Hopefully a few more than Mike's and Trood's vids.   

I was very upset when Trudi's Monday vlogs suddenly stopped. Without explanation.

Maybe Troods is busy with her law degree. 

http://bambercampaign.blogspot.co.uk/

Gook luck with this Troods.  Maybe look to take bar exams afterwards and get yourself silked up for JB's next appeal  8((()*/ 8(>(( ?>)()< 8)-))) 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Scene Of Crime Reconstruction
« Reply #249 on: May 15, 2017, 06:43:40 PM »
I'm sure Jeremy will be pleased if Mike narrates in Jackie's 6 part documentary.

Someone like Sir Trevor Macdonald 'OBE', would give the documentary more gravitas. Once he finds out Julie identified the twins, Sir Trevor may even agree to do it for free.

I think Jeremy Kyle interviewing Jackie, Lookout and Mike about the case will have a wider appeal.  At the end of the day broadcasters need high audience figures.   8)-))) 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline adam

Re: Scene Of Crime Reconstruction
« Reply #250 on: May 15, 2017, 07:05:36 PM »
I think Jeremy Kyle interviewing Jackie, Lookout and Mike about the case will have a wider appeal.  At the end of the day broadcasters need high audience figures.   8)-)))

I am sure Jeremy will be most appreciative if they all appeared together on Jeremy Kyle to promote the 'Campaign for freedom'.
« Last Edit: May 15, 2017, 07:07:42 PM by adam »

Offline adam

Re: Scene Of Crime Reconstruction
« Reply #251 on: May 16, 2017, 06:48:29 AM »
Must admit I can't think of any 6 part documentaries which focused on one crime.

There have been one episode documentaries on Bamber. He made an official complaint about 'Killing Mum & Dad' which was rejected. 'Crimes that shook Britain' mentioned things in Bamber's favour such as the -trick of the light'.

There is a current documentary on OJ Simpson which is more than one episode. However that has so far spent two episodes on his life as a footballer, actor & very famous American star. Together with his influence on American black culture in the 70's & 80's.

Jackie's thread on the Blue forum shows she wants all 6 episodes to just focus on the crime and things that support her view that  Bamber is innocent.

I can't see any television channels being gullible & desparate enough to commission such a long and biased documentary. The case is not big enough and there is much more counter evidence everyone knows or can find out about which would negate everything screened.   
« Last Edit: May 16, 2017, 07:46:30 AM by adam »

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Scene Of Crime Reconstruction
« Reply #252 on: May 16, 2017, 01:44:00 PM »
Must admit I can't think of any 6 part documentaries which focused on one crime.

There have been one episode documentaries on Bamber. He made an official complaint about 'Killing Mum & Dad' which was rejected. 'Crimes that shook Britain' mentioned things in Bamber's favour such as the -trick of the light'.

There is a current documentary on OJ Simpson which is more than one episode. However that has so far spent two episodes on his life as a footballer, actor & very famous American star. Together with his influence on American black culture in the 70's & 80's.

Jackie's thread on the Blue forum shows she wants all 6 episodes to just focus on the crime and things that support her view that  Bamber is innocent.

I can't see any television channels being gullible & desparate enough to commission such a long and biased documentary. The case is not big enough and there is much more counter evidence everyone knows or can find out about which would negate everything screened.

Are we talking 1 hour slots, 30 mins or something else?

I can think of lots to fill 6 x 1 hour slots.  Where does 6 come from anyway? 

- Biographical info about the various players including 2/3 generations back.  To incl the birth families of JB and SC.  Social history to put into context.  Even if no legal constraints this would need to be dealt with sensitively as imo it isn't right to give out identifying info about those under discussion.  Eg JM lives here, works there etc, etc.

- Policing during the period under question eg just before PACE.  Where forensic science was then eg pre DNA and the fact blood pattern analysis wasn't used etc.

- The defence and prosecution case for and against JB.  Reminding viewers of the state of telephony in 1985 ie calls could not be traced. 

- Allowing a bunch of female novices with long polished fingernails to copy an experienced firearms handler and see how many attempts it takes until they can master loading the mag, chambering a round and pulling the trigger.  This could incl shooting at targets at a similar distance to the victims.  Also to cover tests on hands from handling bullets. 

- 3d animated reconstructions in model form to test various theories eg NB shot in bedroom, on stairs etc

- Input from ballistics, bloodstain analyst and pathologist to cover SC's found state ie explanations re lack of GSR, blood on her person/nightie.  Opinions from various other experts eg psychiatrist and psychologist. 

- The machinations of the judicial system: preparing for trial, trial process at court, juries, prison life as a Cat A prisoner, CCRC, appeal hearings.

I don't think it will ever happen though:

- Cost. 

- Is there enough interest in such a programme to cover costs and make a profit?

- I think most in mainstream media probably see JB as guilty unless they are presented with some compelling new evidence.  As it stands why would any broadcaster push the boat out for JB unless they thought he was the victim of a MoJ?

Of course if JB's conviction is quashed the world and his dog will want to produce all manner of media: tv progs, films, books.  It could then run and run with ad agencies wanting a slice of the action if his conviction is overturned on very strong grounds.  All the books and docu/dramas to date are exceptionally poor imo.  CAL is probably the best but its rooted in the dark ages and looks backwards. 

 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline adam

Re: Scene Of Crime Reconstruction
« Reply #253 on: May 16, 2017, 02:07:31 PM »
Are we talking 1 hour slots, 30 mins or something else?

I can think of lots to fill 6 x 1 hour slots.  Where does 6 come from anyway? 

- Biographical info about the various players including 2/3 generations back.  To incl the birth families of JB and SC.  Social history to put into context.  Even if no legal constraints this would need to be dealt with sensitively as imo it isn't right to give out identifying info about those under discussion.  Eg JM lives here, works there etc, etc.

- Policing during the period under question eg just before PACE.  Where forensic science was then eg pre DNA and the fact blood pattern analysis wasn't used etc.

- The defence and prosecution case for and against JB.  Reminding viewers of the state of telephony in 1985 ie calls could not be traced. 

- Allowing a bunch of female novices with long polished fingernails to copy an experienced firearms handler and see how many attempts it takes until they can master loading the mag, chambering a round and pulling the trigger.  This could incl shooting at targets at a similar distance to the victims.  Also to cover tests on hands from handling bullets. 

- 3d animated reconstructions in model form to test various theories eg NB shot in bedroom, on stairs etc

- Input from ballistics, bloodstain analyst and pathologist to cover SC's found state ie explanations re lack of GSR, blood on her person/nightie.  Opinions from various other experts eg psychiatrist and psychologist. 

- The machinations of the judicial system: preparing for trial, trial process at court, juries, prison life as a Cat A prisoner, CCRC, appeal hearings.

I don't think it will ever happen though:

- Cost. 

- Is there enough interest in such a programme to cover costs and make a profit?

- I think most in mainstream media probably see JB as guilty unless they are presented with some compelling new evidence.  As it stands why would any broadcaster push the boat out for JB unless they thought he was the victim of a MoJ?

Of course if JB's conviction is quashed the world and his dog will want to produce all manner of media: tv progs, films, books.  It could then run and run with ad agencies wanting a slice of the action if his conviction is overturned on very strong grounds.  All the books and docu/dramas to date are exceptionally poor imo.  CAL is probably the best but its rooted in the dark ages and looks backwards. 

 

Jackie has said it will be a 6 part documentary.

Her suggested topics are The Murder and Crime Scene, the Relatives and the money trail, Julie Mugford, The silencer, the police officers involved, discrepincies in the Case,  Sheila, Jeremy.

So obviously it's going to be very biased and just focus on trying to show Bamber is innocent. 

I suspect any respectable TV channel will reject the idea.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Scene Of Crime Reconstruction
« Reply #254 on: May 16, 2017, 03:54:54 PM »
Jackie has said it will be a 6 part documentary.

Her suggested topics are The Murder and Crime Scene, the Relatives and the money trail, Julie Mugford, The silencer, the police officers involved, discrepincies in the Case,  Sheila, Jeremy.

So obviously it's going to be very biased and just focus on trying to show Bamber is innocent. 

I suspect any respectable TV channel will reject the idea.

Well Jackie has posted in the past that she was in touch with Mark Williams Thomas who was interested in putting something together:

http://www.williams-thomas.co.uk/

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?