Panorama Special on 10th Anniversary

[Robittybob1]

The one aspect that I have been harping on about over the last year is the complicity of the Tour Operators
This section emphasises that.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EXpmaaEGPs&feature=youtu.be&t=2260

They knew about this and when John Hill was asked he never mentioned the mini crime wave as it is described.  He would have been aware of it and did nothing about it. 
John Hill is stated as saying "He has been employed by the Ocean Club since March 2006 and has no knowledge of any untoward situation involving Ocean Club users or in the village itself, other than some damage and minor thefts. " and "- He wishes to add that he does not know of any motive that could have been the cause of the Madeleine's disappearance." 
Which is not entirely true if the tour operators had had a meeting to discuss the sexual attacks on Kids in the area and his knowledge of the frequent burglaries at the Ocean Club.
Did his attempts at damage limitation affect the ability of the PJ to solve the case?

[Heriberto Janosch]

Many thanks Lace.

[Robittybob1]

I understood that when all those people were made redundant their letters mentioned the Madeleine case. I find it believable because Mark Warner made an insurance claim citing the same reason. It's not usual to make a claim based on a 'world crisis'.

"It is a matter of public record that Mark Warner's bookings to Portugal were affected by events nearly two years ago......the number of parents choosing to go to its resort in Portugal declined immediately after Madeleine's disappearance

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/apr/04/madeleine-mcann-disappearance-holiday-resort

Would this be the main reason the GNR and the PJ not wanting the Media involved.  "No Media, No Media".

[stephen25000]

As regards the B.B.C. Documentary.

Posters do not have to read the link.

https://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2017/05/british-media-documentaries-few-points.html

[G-Unit]

Would this be the main reason the GNR and the PJ not wanting the Media involved.  "No Media, No Media".

Who said that? The GNR, the PJ, neither or both? Did someone tell the Portuguese media?

During the early morning in question I received some telephone calls from people whom, with the exception of one, expressed themselves in Portuguese to ask whether an English girl had really disappeared in Lagos.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MANUEL_QUEIROZ.htm

[Eleanor]

Who said that? The GNR, the PJ, neither or both? Did someone tell the Portuguese media?

During the early morning in question I received some telephone calls from people whom, with the exception of one, expressed themselves in Portuguese to ask whether an English girl had really disappeared in Lagos.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MANUEL_QUEIROZ.htm

Goncalo Amaral said it.  On Camera.

[G-Unit]

Goncalo Amaral said it.  On Camera.

Did he?

[ShiningInLuz]

"Madeleine effect"? Or 2008 world crisis?

Just for the record, 3 May 2017 was a very pleasant day weather-wise, hitting a high of 23C at high sun, and 16C at 10pm.

There are reports of full accommodation coming out from the mayor.  That is cobblers.  I know of one contact who does accommodation at the high end - that's large apartments appointed to 5 star luxury standards - and he was indeed fully booked for the season as far back as Dec 2016. Below this top end level, things are different.

The promenade is bustling, but not yet heaving.  There are large numbers of Portuguese down from Lisbon to have a seaside holiday.  Last night, I spoke to a gentleman from Sweden, and also a couple from Germany who were in Luz on 3 May 2007.

A quick check on the restaurants showed those south of the church are empty, with the exception of the Portuguese one which was 1/3rd full.  The Chinese restaurant on 25 Abril had only a small handful of customers.

Since I have been looking at the Ocean Club on 1, 2 and 3 May, I can conclude that it is dead.  The most I have seen is perhaps 5 people in the Tapas area with 1 brave enough to go swimming.

Luz in general is slowly getting back to its feet and there should be enough in the season to keep businesses alive.  The Ocean Club is dead in the water.  Why they don't re-brand it is beyond me.

So the tsunami was the financial meltdown.  But the Ocean Club has died from the Madeleine effect.

[Mr Gray]

Just for the record, 3 May 2017 was a very pleasant day weather-wise, hitting a high of 23C at high sun, and 16C at 10pm.

There are reports of full accommodation coming out from the mayor.  That is cobblers.  I know of one contact who does accommodation at the high end - that's large apartments appointed to 5 star luxury standards - and he was indeed fully booked for the season as far back as Dec 2016. Below this top end level, things are different.

The promenade is bustling, but not yet heaving.  There are large numbers of Portuguese down from Lisbon to have a seaside holiday.  Last night, I spoke to a gentleman from Sweden, and also a couple from Germany who were in Luz on 3 May 2007.

A quick check on the restaurants showed those south of the church are empty, with the exception of the Portuguese one which was 1/3rd full.  The Chinese restaurant on 25 Abril had only a small handful of customers.

Since I have been looking at the Ocean Club on 1, 2 and 3 May, I can conclude that it is dead.  The most I have seen is perhaps 5 people in the Tapas area with 1 brave enough to go swimming.

Luz in general is slowly getting back to its feet and there should be enough in the season to keep businesses alive.  The Ocean Club is dead in the water.  Why they don't re-brand it is beyond me.

So the tsunami was the financial meltdown.  But the Ocean Club has died from the Madeleine effect.

I know there was no baby listening in PDL but MW promoted the service in other resorts
It also seems they were aware of break ins in the Club
I don't blame the McCanns for what has happened but it seems the people of Luz do

[ShiningInLuz]

I know there was no baby listening in PDL but MW promoted the service in other resorts
It also seems they were aware of break ins in the Club
I don't blame the McCanns for what has happened but it seems the people of Luz do

If you can show they were aware of break ins, it is forum policy to provide a cite for such.

I note your empathy appears to stop with the McCanns.

 

[ferryman]

Just watched the programme on late catch-up.

One thing the programme did confirm (around 20 minutes and 45 seconds) is that the Smiths have, indeed, abandoned all notion that the man the family saw was Gerry.

[Brietta]

Just for the record, 3 May 2017 was a very pleasant day weather-wise, hitting a high of 23C at high sun, and 16C at 10pm.

There are reports of full accommodation coming out from the mayor.  That is cobblers.  I know of one contact who does accommodation at the high end - that's large apartments appointed to 5 star luxury standards - and he was indeed fully booked for the season as far back as Dec 2016. Below this top end level, things are different.

The promenade is bustling, but not yet heaving.  There are large numbers of Portuguese down from Lisbon to have a seaside holiday.  Last night, I spoke to a gentleman from Sweden, and also a couple from Germany who were in Luz on 3 May 2007.

A quick check on the restaurants showed those south of the church are empty, with the exception of the Portuguese one which was 1/3rd full.  The Chinese restaurant on 25 Abril had only a small handful of customers.

Since I have been looking at the Ocean Club on 1, 2 and 3 May, I can conclude that it is dead.  The most I have seen is perhaps 5 people in the Tapas area with 1 brave enough to go swimming.

Luz in general is slowly getting back to its feet and there should be enough in the season to keep businesses alive.  The Ocean Club is dead in the water.  Why they don't re-brand it is beyond me.

So the tsunami was the financial meltdown.  But the Ocean Club has died from the Madeleine effect.

I think you are describing the Ocean Club of 2017 (I believe it isn't called that anymore since its change in ownership) very much as the McCanns and their friends found it in 2007.

The season was starting then and the season is starting now the difference being that in 2007 the weather at the time was not as you describe.
All else being equal ... I don't think the McCanns are responsible for any localised downturn.

[Eleanor]

I think you are describing the Ocean Club of 2017 (I believe it isn't called that anymore since its change in ownership) very much as the McCanns and their friends found it in 2007.

The season was starting then and the season is starting now the difference being that in 2007 the weather at the time was not as you describe.
All else being equal ... I don't think the McCanns are responsible for any localised downturn.

PdL is the safest place on The Planet, apart from the poisonous atmosphere.

[Mr Gray]

If you can show they were aware of break ins, it is forum policy to provide a cite for such.

I note your empathy appears to stop with the McCanns.

 

And you seem to have very little sympathy for the McCanns
If the McCanns are innocent as I think they are then tha abductor must be very pleased with amarals poor detective work
If there have been assaults on other children that haven't been investigated then that's not much of a deterrent for criminals

[Mr Gray]

And you seem to have very little sympathy for the McCanns
If the McCanns are innocent as I think they are then tha abductor must be very pleased with amarals poor detective work
If there have been assaults on other children that haven't been investigated then that's not much of a deterrent for criminals

Who knows Joanna and Maddie could have been abducted by the same person so where would the blame lie then