Panorama Special on 10th Anniversary

[ShiningInLuz]

The villas in PDL are privately owned an ot

Apartment 5A was privately owned on 3 May 2007.  It still is.  At an alleged 55% below market value, due to the Madeleine effect.

The Ocean Club does not own any of the apartments.  They are all privately owned.

[Mr Gray]

Apartment 5A was privately owned on 3 May 2007.  It still is.  At an alleged 55% below market value, due to the Madeleine effect.

The Ocean Club does not own any of the apartments.  They are all privately owned.

That's right and that means that if their owners want to neglect them there is little the Ocean Club management can do
I would say your 55%  is a gross exaggeration combined with the fact it would be impossible to be so precise

[Alfie]

The downturn in Luz has other causes than Maddie
The resort seems run down and outdated
Limited or no wi fi
Many families are opting for all inclusive now
It's just being used to heap more blame on the mccanns

What downturn in Luz?

" Property is booming again: every street seems to have an estate agent and there are more 1 million euro apartments being built."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/03/just-had-enough-ten-years-praia-da-luz-remembers-night-madeleine/amp/

[misty]

If it's not a far fetched theory then perhaps you can cite some instances when this method of murder victim body disposal has actually been used?

It has been done before by the Mafia.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2003-10-08/mafia-double-decker-coffins-used-for-body-disposal/1489720

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Mafia double-decker coffins used for body disposal
Posted 8 Oct 2003, 2:39am

MAP: United States
A court in New York has been told a crime family regularly used double-decker coffins to permanently dispose of its murder victims.

Mafia turncoat Anthony Rotondo has told jurors the DeCavalcante family used the coffins to secretly bury the victims of its mob hits, along with the bodies of those who died more natural deaths.

Rotondo says the double-decker coffins were used as early as the 1920s, with the family placing the body of the murdered victim below the regular customer.

He says it was the brainchild of Carlo Corsentino, an undertaker member of the DeCavalcante family.

Rotondo also says the system was regularly at risk of being exposed when six grown men acting as pall-bearers would carry someone's 36-kilogram grandmother and looked like they were all having hernias.

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There are also several examples where such a scenario has been used in popular fiction.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CrammingTheCoffin



For the record, I don't believe for one minute that body disposal of this nature occurred in Luz. However, had Amaral been convinced of this hypothesis, he should have taken steps to locate the cremains & subject then to DNA testing on any remaining bone or teeth fragments.

https://privatelabresults.com/cremated-remains-dna-testing/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2540683/DNA-test-cremated-remains-woman-wrong-body-mothers-casket.html

[Brietta]

The North Lanarkshire police found it credible I think that's all we need to know.

Nonsense.

Please cite a case in Scotland where the accusation has been made that people broke into a church and opened a coffin to place a child's body into the casket beside the deceased prior to cremation.

North Lanarkshire found it credible ?? ... please show the forum where you've got a cite for that.

[ShiningInLuz]

That's right and that means that if their owners want to neglect them there is little the Ocean Club management can do
I would say your 55%  is a gross exaggeration combined with the fact it would be impossible to be so precise

Oh dear.  The property was on the market for €250,000.  This, allegedly, was already below the price of similar properties by about €50,000.  It sold for €113,000.

Do the arithmetic yourself.

Before you ask for a cite, it is all on the forum already.

Madeleine effect = true.  Simples.

[Mr Gray]

Oh dear.  The property was on the market for €250,000.  This, allegedly, was already below the price of similar properties by about €50,000.  It sold for €113,000.

Do the arithmetic yourself.

Before you ask for a cite, it is all on the forum already.

Madeleine effect = true.  Simples.

Before you do the maths you would need to get your figures right
It seems it's 113 pounds not euros
We don't know when it was sold so we don't know the exchange rate
Just did a google search and a 2 bed apt in the ocean Club sold for 150 thousand pounds
Who would pay 250 k for a 2 bed apt
Could well be leasehold
It's not as simple as you think when you put a little thought into it instead of believing the papers

[Alfie]

It has been done before by the Mafia.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2003-10-08/mafia-double-decker-coffins-used-for-body-disposal/1489720

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Mafia double-decker coffins used for body disposal
Posted 8 Oct 2003, 2:39am

MAP: United States
A court in New York has been told a crime family regularly used double-decker coffins to permanently dispose of its murder victims.

Mafia turncoat Anthony Rotondo has told jurors the DeCavalcante family used the coffins to secretly bury the victims of its mob hits, along with the bodies of those who died more natural deaths.

Rotondo says the double-decker coffins were used as early as the 1920s, with the family placing the body of the murdered victim below the regular customer.

He says it was the brainchild of Carlo Corsentino, an undertaker member of the DeCavalcante family.

Rotondo also says the system was regularly at risk of being exposed when six grown men acting as pall-bearers would carry someone's 36-kilogram grandmother and looked like they were all having hernias.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

There are also several examples where such a scenario has been used in popular fiction.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CrammingTheCoffin



For the record, I don't believe for one minute that body disposal of this nature occurred in Luz. However, had Amaral been convinced of this hypothesis, he should have taken steps to locate the cremains & subject then to DNA testing on any remaining bone or teeth fragments.

https://privatelabresults.com/cremated-remains-dna-testing/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2540683/DNA-test-cremated-remains-woman-wrong-body-mothers-casket.html

Ah, of course the old Double Decker coffin routine.  Silly me.  Now if we can forge a link between the McCanns and the PdL Mafia then we might be on to something...

[ShiningInLuz]

What downturn in Luz?

" Property is booming again: every street seems to have an estate agent and there are more 1 million euro apartments being built."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/03/just-had-enough-ten-years-praia-da-luz-remembers-night-madeleine/amp/

There are two multi-million villas being worked on in our 'estate'.

I know of dozens of other multi-million properties where building stopped around 2007 and has not restarted.

The only crane I am aware of is one parked permanently on our urbanisation.

I can see no sign of major building activity anywhere in Luz.

The mound OG searched is not being actively developed.  I have been on it twice in the last week on the last 2 Luz Tours, which is how I know.

There is an area of 'waste-land' near to us which is vast.  This was sold quite recently.  It is not being developed as of May 2017.

There are other areas of Luz which also contain large plots of 'waste-land'.  This includes the Smith sighting 'waste-land'.  There is no development as of May 2017.

I am not sure why you are banging on about this.

I was with a member of the press, overlooking the Tapas zone, on 2 May 2017.  It was hot and sunny.  The Tapas zone was DEAD.

Please stick with reality.  Luz is quieter than normal for this time of year, but there was a fair bit of trade around.  It was a Portuguese national holiday and I clocked a lot of Portuguese visitors, probably from Lisbon.  Plus there were media people a-plenty.

But it doesn't alter the verity of the situation.  The Ocean Club is dead.  Madeleine effect.

[Alfie]

It's amazing this dead resort hasn't closed down completely isn't it?  Or do they keep it going just for fun (and for the ghouls)?

[misty]

@Shining
How much impact has this law had on Luz & surrounding area? (Off topic, I know, but perhaps relevant to general trade in Luz)

https://degtev.com/waterfront-property-portugal-land-grab-threat/

[Alfie]

It's not cheap is it, considering how it died ten years ago...

http://www.green-acres.pt/property-for-sale/praia-da-luz?gclid=Cj0KEQjwxbDIBRCL99Wls-nLicoBEiQAWroh6qEnAKQy12nmgGvtaEsG50KfasiPSISwUX0o-6LJ8pQaAp8f8P8HAQ

[Alfie]

I like this one

http://www.green-acres.pt/en/properties/27702a-863-ppss2046.htm

[Alfie]

An alternative view from another local blogger

http://www.centreforjournalism.co.uk/content/praia-da-luz-moving-maddie

[ShiningInLuz]

It's amazing this dead resort hasn't closed down completely isn't it?  Or do they keep it going just for fun (and for the ghouls)?

What dead resort?

Waffle.