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The Old Facebook Forum
« on: May 01, 2017, 07:13:45 PM »
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If anyone is interested in reading the original Facebook forum about the case, you can find it at the above link.  I have been ploughing through it over the last few weeks, and it makes for some interesting reading.

No point in trying to identify me, though----I was mostly a "lurker"!!!

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Re: The Old Facebook Forum
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2017, 05:42:14 AM »
Interesting read...... (still reading)


Whilst the case is at trial they are expecting the Sobbing Girl to make an appearance... They remember that MUST be the reason why they arrested Dr Vincent Tabak... Yet she doesn't materialize..

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Noel, You're not taking into account what 'the sobbing woman' must have told the police about him when she contacted them before he was arrested.
 

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Louise that sobbing woman we keep hearing about could be the girlfriend but if so why would she visit him in jail? We dont know who she is or what she told the police. They get hundreds of calls like that. Tabak made one from Holland and Danny is set to go now. Lets hope it doesnt backfire on him. Anyway I thought they were reading this forum for clues so they know me pretty well by now.

I agree... they do get hundreds of calls like that... If I remember correctly I think the call was supposed to have happened the day before they arrested Dr Vincent Tabak.... So why didn't they just think it was a crank and investigate this caller to check their information???

Oh yes I remember..... she didn't exist... (IMO)

The information that was released by the Police before Dr Vincent Tabak's arrest clearly had stuck in the minds of the public... And the expectations that anything the Police had made public would be brought to trial... But we now know differently and they omitted many facts and evidence at the trial... Which only adds to more questions..

Obviously the first post is the last post on the facebook page... So the case is happening as they post....

The quotes are from 23rd October 2011

Thanks for posting it mrswah... I'm going to enjoy reading....


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Re: The Old Facebook Forum
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2017, 07:33:53 AM »


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We do not of course know that - but Tabak's work diaries etc. would give insight into this. It feels creepier by the minute.

Hadn't even thought about Dr Vincent Tabak's work diaries...
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Re: The Old Facebook Forum
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2017, 09:44:47 AM »

Hadn't even thought about Dr Vincent Tabak's work diaries...

Who says there were any??

Yes, it's interesting stuff, particularly as a few of the people posting were actually present at the trial.

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Re: The Old Facebook Forum
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2017, 11:42:38 AM »
By the end of the 2nd day of the trial, most of the people posting on that forum must have read one or more accounts of Mr Lickley's long opening of the Prosecution's case. By that time, they ought to have been asking each other why Counsel never once mentioned VT's motive. Since they were people with an above-average interest in murder, their alarm bells ought to have rung. But they didn't.

Most of those people on that forum were acqainted with Agatha Christie, Midsomer Murders, and whatever else of crime mysteries. Motive, means and opportunity are the staple questions that fictional detectives look for, unless the killer turns out to be doolally. So you'd expect posters on a forum at least to pay lip service to the motive. But they didn't. Instead, they accepted that VT was a sex maniac, despite any evidence to back that up, because Mr Lickley told them he was, and that there was, and they trusted him - just like they trusted counsel for the defence, the judge, the police, Ann Reddrop, the magistrates, and the Glaswegian gastroarchaeologist.
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Re: The Old Facebook Forum
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2017, 06:17:40 PM »
What seems evident to me from reading the old forums is that "VT must have done it because he pleaded guilty".

A number of posters point out discrepancies and inconsistencies (just as I do today, and other posters on this thread do too). However, these are completely dismissed out of hand by most other  posters because VT pleaded guilty.

The old forum also explains (very well, I think) what happens at a trial, and what the prosecution and defence are looking for.  Not the truth, apparently.

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Re: The Old Facebook Forum
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2017, 07:59:37 PM »
What seems evident to me from reading the old forums is that "VT must have done it because he pleaded guilty".

A number of posters point out discrepancies and inconsistencies (just as I do today, and other posters on this thread do too). However, these are completely dismissed out of hand by most other  posters because VT pleaded guilty.

The old forum also explains (very well, I think) what happens at a trial, and what the prosecution and defence are looking for.  Not the truth, apparently.

The difficulty is mrswah, if a defendant pleads guilty to manslaughter and is pronounced fit and able to do so, there is very little in English Law that a prosecutor can do other than apply the full weight of that Law. If someone's pleadings were challenged every time they pleaded guilty I'm afraid the entire justice system would grind to a halt.

In Law, if a person of sound mind pleads guilty then it is accepted by everyone that they are guilty and must face the consequences of their pleading REGARDLESS of whether they are in fact guilty or not.
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Re: The Old Facebook Forum
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2017, 08:24:22 AM »
The difficulty is mrswah, if a defendant pleads guilty to manslaughter and is pronounced fit and able to do so, there is very little in English Law that a prosecutor can do other than apply the full weight of that Law. If someone's pleadings were challenged every time they pleaded guilty I'm afraid the entire justice system would grind to a halt.

In Law, if a person of sound mind pleads guilty then it is accepted by everyone that they are guilty and must face the consequences of their pleading REGARDLESS of whether they are in fact guilty or not.

The problem is why would he admit guilt in the first place.... There's no benefit for him... his chances were better going in front of a jury with a NOT GUILTY plea, would have had a better outcome...

I believe the defence failed him...  I believe the defence didn't properly follow Mandatory Principles for Lawyers in this case (IMO)...

As to whether Dr Vincent Tabak was of sound mind.... we will never know .... His medical evaluation was never produced in court...



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Re: The Old Facebook Forum
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2017, 08:26:08 AM »
I found these responses interesting... All happy with the revelation of the Porn... even though it was NEVER brought into evidence and NEVER proven... Just goes to prove the POWER of the media ....

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Still think manslugheter Minous? Now we know he had a strangling fetish?

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@Minous and all; OMG I am shocked. I never thought this of the defendant. Like I stated on the frontpage of this account; as a Dutch person I feel terrible... and ashamed....

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And my very final word to Noel...on your website you say "Vincent Tabak had the misfortune to live next door to Joanna Yeates"...Noel, I think you should hang your head in shame!!!

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@Sue I don't think manslaughter now I have heard the facts and to be honest: I think it's extremely irresponsible for this judge that he didn't allow the prosecution to bring in the violent pornography and strangulation phantasies!
It actually really helps me understanding why the prosecution seemed to do such a shitty job AND why they decided to put the Yeates family through this horrendous trial.

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I think the verdict is fair and the sentence is fair as well (although I would not have mind a heftier sentence considering his actions after the crime!)

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@Sue If it's relevant it's relevant, the prostitutes are not really relevant nor random pornography on his computer, but this clearly is relevant in this particular case.


The last quote I think they are referring to the stranguation porn and the girl in the car boot....

Like I have stated so many times... It was the numerous nails in Dr Vincent Tabak coffin AFTER the trial that clearly impressed on the minds of the public exactly what the prosecution wanted...

For the public to believe that Dr vincent Tabak was indeed a Bad Man!!
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Re: The Old Facebook Forum
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2017, 02:23:22 PM »
What seems evident to me from reading the old forums is that "VT must have done it because he pleaded guilty".

A number of posters point out discrepancies and inconsistencies (just as I do today, and other posters on this thread do too). However, these are completely dismissed out of hand by most other  posters because VT pleaded guilty.

The old forum also explains (very well, I think) what happens at a trial, and what the prosecution and defence are looking for.  Not the truth, apparently.
You have made your points here so lucidly and concisely that I hesitate to rush in where angels fear to tread, even to agree with you!

I desparately need a designation for the kind of intelligent person who reiterated, on the old forum, that "VT must have done it because he pleaded guilty". When someone online, or even face to face, accuses me of being a "conspiracy theorist", in connection with this topic or any other, I want to have a polite reply ready, such as "lemming", "indoctrinee", etc.

It is getting serious, because I came across an allegation (in the mainstream media, where else?) that "supporters of conspiracy theories are prone to mental health issues". I should have thought that people who cannot see, hear or talk about the elephant in the room are the ones who should consult someone about their mental health.

The mainstream media is also very preoccupied with what it calls "fake news", which it blames on the social media. Is there a difference between "fake news" and "false news"? I cannot hear the difference. In my opinion, "false news" is the same as "false witness". While there was nothing false about the verdict on VT itself, reached as it was by "twelve good men (m/f) and true", the rest of the case was peppered with false witness. The so-called chaplain's testimony, especially, was "false witness" - even though I don't believe you can catch him out in a lie.

In my opinion God's/Moses's/King James's phrase from the Ten Commandments captures the issue brilliantly.

Neither the prosecution nor VT's defence may have been looking for "the truth", but every witness was obliged to swear to tell it, so I think we are all entitled to believe that finding it was indeed the intention of the trial.

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Re: The Old Facebook Forum
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2017, 12:42:56 PM »
I was looking at the : JOANNA YEATES, MISSING SINCE 17/12/10 on facebook

And it seems that someone had taken control of the Forum and taken it out of the families hands..

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Re: The Old Facebook Forum
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2017, 12:54:42 PM »
And again..... Don't understand how this managed to happen..

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whoever has removed me as admin can you please add me back. whoever it is that has deleted all family members from having control of this group has completely misunderstood what i created this group for. i hope this can be sorted out.
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Catherine Macintosh What how can someone do that thought you created it Jax?? Hope your ok as said in my text need anything just ring :) lots of love xxx

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Re: The Old Facebook Forum
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2017, 01:01:31 PM »
Again From The Joanna Yeate  Missing Page...

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I am local to Clifton and longwood lane and constantly wishing I could have done something to help. Have been sleepless since Jo went missing but know now she is in a safe place and thankful her family have had a chance to say goodbye. Won't rest until justice is done and Clifton does not feel the same. My heartfelt sympathies to her parents, brother, bf and friends.

Didn't really take much notice of this.... But when I looked at her she is a fair haired girl...
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Re: The Old Facebook Forum
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2017, 01:18:25 PM »
From the Missing Forum on Facebook...

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Travelling back to my home in Clifton today which will never feel the same again. Jo, I never knew you but our paths may have crossed many times. You, your family & Greg have not left my thoughts since last weekend when we received a message from BDP. I wanted to go out and search there & then. No-one should be taken the way you were. It's a cruel world but for what it's worth, you will get justice. RIP beautiful girl. X

I didn't know anything about BDP sending a message around??
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« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2017, 02:16:52 PM »
From the Missing Forum....

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Kath Rowsell IF ANY OF YOU BOTHERED TO LISTEN TO THE NEWS, THEY HAVE SAID THE BODY WAS TOO FROZEN TO BE IDENTIFIED AND ITS GOING TO BE 24 HOURS BEFORE THEY WILL KNOW. We all do not want it to be her for her families sake
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This makes The Frozen theory seem even more daft.... No disrespect intended... But How could they say they would know something in 24 Hours, when they would have NO IDEA how long it takes a body to Thaw??

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