What Happened To Madeleine McCann? - by Ian Horrocks.

[Brietta]

We don't know she was taken.

Quite possible she walked out of the apartment.

Horrock's has considered the 'woke and wandered' theory along with everything else and has not entirely ruled it out; but his opinion is that the open window and raised shutter legislates against it.

[stephen25000]

Horrock's has considered the 'woke and wandered' theory along with everything else and has not entirely ruled it out; but his opinion is that the open window and raised shutter legislates against it.

The trouble is, no one else saw the raised shutter or open window before Kate Mccann.

..and we know whose fingerprints were identified.

[Alice Purjorick]

When do we suppose all this "preplanning" commenced?

[Eleanor]

The trouble is, no one else saw the raised shutter or open window before Kate Mccann.

..and we know whose fingerprints were identified.

But we don't know whose weren't.

[stephen25000]

But we don't know whose weren't.

As I have said before Eleanor, it doesn't mean they were made that night.

[faithlilly]

Jane Tanner mentions not being able to hear what either man was saying as she passed by them so....

No she said she didn't remember. A completely different thing.

[Robittybob1]

As I have said before Eleanor, it doesn't mean they were made that night.

Of course it will be up to the detectives to link their alibis with the evidence found at the apartment.

[Brietta]

The trouble is, no one else saw the raised shutter or open window before Kate Mccann.

..and we know whose fingerprints were identified.

From the beginning it was viewed as "staged".
The investigators failed to take a step back ... put aside prejudice ... and think ... why would it be?


 ... and in my opinion you are becoming slightly absurd with constant reference to Kate McCann's fingerprints on the inside glass of the window ... one could be led to believe you have read nothing regarding this subject on the forum.
Benice and Carana have explained it well and Pegasus made definitive posts on the subject.

[Benice]

The trouble is, no one else saw the raised shutter or open window before Kate Mccann.

..and we know whose fingerprints were identified.

No-one saw Madeleine leave the apartment by herself - so why don't you rule that possibility out on the same grounds?

So what if Kates' fingerprints were on the window.  If she put her hand on the open window pane while she leaned out to look outside - then they would be there.   IMO

Why do you think they were there Stephen?  You never do explain - you just hint that it's some kind of proof of Kate's guilt.  So what exactly is your theory for why Kate's fingerprints were there?

[Eleanor]

As I have said before Eleanor, it doesn't mean they were made that night.

And it doesn't mean that Kate's were either.

[stephen25000]

And it doesn't mean that Kate's were either.

Didn't she admit to checking the window ?

[Eleanor]

Didn't she admit to checking the window ?

Did the abductor, is more to the point.

[slartibartfast]

From the beginning it was viewed as "staged".
The investigators failed to take a step back ... put aside prejudice ... and think ... why would it be?


 ... and in my opinion you are becoming slightly absurd with constant reference to Kate McCann's fingerprints on the inside glass of the window ... one could be led to believe you have read nothing regarding this subject on the forum.
Benice and Carana have explained it well and Pegasus made definitive posts on the subject.

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck

[stephen25000]

From the beginning it was viewed as "staged".
The investigators failed to take a step back ... put aside prejudice ... and think ... why would it be?


 ... and in my opinion you are becoming slightly absurd with constant reference to Kate McCann's fingerprints on the inside glass of the window ... one could be led to believe you have read nothing regarding this subject on the forum.
Benice and Carana have explained it well and Pegasus made definitive posts on the subject.

Unfortunately, I am well experienced with that kind of window, and how it may be opened.

I have read the other posts, some time ago.

I also engaged with discussion with Pegasus on that issue.

However, the fact remains, Kate McCann's prints were identified.

[Alfie]

No she said she didn't remember. A completely different thing.

Completely different?  How so?  Did she remember hearing Gerry's booming voice?  No.  You are speculating that Gerry was chatting loudly because it suits you to but there is no evidence that he was, and in the circumstances, with a sleeping baby in close proximity that had just been lulled to sleep and being a parent himself we could instead speculate that Gerry was not booming but being considerate and speaking softly, so softly in fact that the passerby could not recall hearing one word of what he was talking about.